Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[ahill1]

This material is valid? If so, the alien Tenshinhan in Daizenshuu too.
Sorry for my english

The Daizenshuu 4 stated Tenshinhan has a distant alien ancestry (he's a descendant of the three-eyed people, who are descended from aliens). But the same section still classified him as a native Earthling.

[ahill1]

I don't see the fight being one-sided the whole time. Freeza fought fairly well against SSJ Goku until his stamina started to drop imo.

[ahill1]

I agree. Freeza had to be at 100%, otherwise it wouldn't make sense IMO. 100% means 100%. Freeza could have lost a bit of power after his Nova Strike though.

I just respectfully disagree that SSJ Goku was owning Freeza from the beginning, mainly after reading this thread:

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8397852/3/

[ahill1]

I like to see Golden Freeza's power advantage over SSJ Blue Goku the same power advantage Mecha Freeza 100% would have over Namek SSJ Goku.

[ahill1]

Someone has an estimation about Piccolo's current powers? He held his own against a tired Frost and I doubt Frost was that much weaker than his full power, since as far as I remember it wasn't stated he was weakened. Is Piccolo above base Goku and Vegeta?

[ahill1]

Daizenshuu listened Goku at 3 million during this battle, but here is why I think such is an impossibility:

Goku and Freeza were initially warming up in their fight:

Spoiler:

Goku only used his full power in base when Freeza started to fight without hands:

Spoiler:

You could say Goku was using the Kaiô-ken, but not according to the full colors:

Spoiler:

Goku only uses the Kaiô-ken when Freeza goes to 50%:

Spoiler:

So, we have:

Freeza (without hands) > Goku base (full power) > Freeza (warming up) >= Goku base (warming up).

[ahill1]

@DanielSSJ - How so? I only posted the images to reinforce my opinion.I just showed why I think Goku wasn't using his full power initially against Freeza, as they both said that was only a warm up and that they would get serious soon.

[ahill1]

@DanielSSJ

That's still not an argument.

Yeah, it is. I think you don't know what an argument is to make such absurd comment.

You need to explain why those images reinforce your opinion.

I already did it twice. I'm sorry if you don't see that.

and the power that he was using before that could've been like 2.5 million or something.

No, it really could not. Warm up Goku fought almost evenly with Freeza, whose power great exceeded Vegeta's, whose power considerably exceeded 3rd form Freeza's, whose power considerably exceeded Piccolo, whose power most likely slightly exceeded 2nd form Freeza's. 2nd form Freeza powered up twice and his initial power was most likely ahead 1 million.


@Kaboom

That early part of he and Freeza's fight is easily just chalked up to effort rather than a change in power level, since one was never specifically noted.

That's your interpretation and the way you want it to be, but I don't agree with that. Sure you could use the "100% Freeza saying his initial assault against SSJ Goku was just an warm up", but we have Freeza being confident he would take the advantage against Goku without hands, even though they both were almost evenly before. Freeza had to use more power if he believes he would handle Goku without hands and so did Goku IMO. Freeza (serious/no hands) and Goku base (serious) > Freeza (warming up) and Goku (warming up) IMO, there's nothing wrong with they using more power, specially when they can freely control their battle power.

I don't think it needs to be noted that they powered up either, since one chapter before that Piccolo said both Goku and Freeza weren't giving their all.

Besides, Kaboom, even if this is only an effort thing, we can agree that Goku (serious) would beat Goku (warming up), sure? So if a warm up Goku was already able to fight pretty well against the Freeza who tooled Vegeta, so a serious Goku would be able to get the advantage against this warming up Freeza, right?

[ahill1]

My most recent power level list:


[spoiler]Raditz saga

Kame Sen'nin : 139

Chaozu : 145

Yajirobe : 145

Yamcha : 177

Kuririn : 206

Tenshinhan : 250

Mr. Popo : 275

Kami-Sama : 310

Piccolo Junior (weighted) : 322
~W/o weights : 408
~Kakankôsappô : 1,330

Son Goku (weighted) : 334
~W/o weights : 416
~Kamehameha : 924

Raditz : 1,250

Son Gohan : 1
~afraid : 710
~enranged : 1,307

Kaio-Sama : 3,500



Vegeta saga

Yajirobe : 800

Chaozu : 1,000

Saibaiman : 1,200

Son Gohan : 1,307

Yamcha : 1,350

Kuririn : 1,625

Tenshinhan : 1,700

Piccolo Junior : 2,250

Son Gohan (enranged) : 2,500
~Masenko : 2,800

Nappa (vs Z fighters) : 3,200
~full power : 7,700

Son Goku : 8,050
~Kaioken : 16,100
~Kaioken x3 : 24,150

Vegeta : 18,000
~Oozaru : less than 180,000



Namek saga

Son Gohan : 1,500

Kuririn (weighted) : 1,500
~W/o weights : 1,700

Nameks warriors : 3,000

Cui : 18,000

Dodoria : 20,000

Zarbon : 22,000
~monster : 28,500

Vegeta : 24,000
~post Zenkai : 29,500



Ginyu saga 1

Gurd : 8,000

Kuririn : 11,000

Son Gohan : 12,000

Vegeta : 29,500

Reacoom : 40,000

Butta : 40,000

Jheese : 40,000

Nail : 42,000

Ginyu (suppressed) : 66,000
~full power : 120,000

Son Goku (suppressed) : 5,000
~vs Ginyus : 66,000
~full power : 90,000
~Kaioken : 180,000



Ginyu Saga 2

Ginyu-Goku : 23,000

Kuririn : 24,000

Son Gohan : 26,000

Jheese : 40,000

Vegeta : 50,000 - 250,000?



Freeza saga 1

Kuririn : 260,000

Son Gohan : 300,000

Piccolo Junior (weighted) : 270,000
~W/o weights : 324,000

Vegeta : 480,000

Freeza (1st form) : 530,000



Freeza saga 2

Son Gohan (enranged) : 1,000,000

Freeza 2nd form (initial) : 1,060,000
~powered up : 1,200,000
~full power : 1,400,000

Piccolo Junior (after Nail) : 1,250,000
~W/o weights : 1,500,000

Freeza (3rd form) : 1,850,000

Son Gohan (Zenkai) : 900,000
~enranged : 1,600,000
~Masenko : 1,800,000

Vegeta (Zenkai) : 2,400,000

Freeza (final form) : 2,400,000
~speed up : 3,200,000
~50% : 70,000,000
~70% : 98,000,000
~100% : 140,000,000

Son Goku : 3,000,000
~Kaioken x10 : 30,000,000
~Kaioken x20 : 60,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 150,000,000



Trunks saga

Yamcha : 180,000

Tenshinhan : 230,000

Kuririn : 350,000

Son Gohan : 900,000

Piccolo Junior : 3,300,000

Vegeta : 3,500,000

King Cold : 100,000,000

Mecha Freeza (suppressed) : 100,000,000
~full power (unseen) : 160,000,000

Future Trunks : 4,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 200,000,000

Son Goku : 4,400,000
~Super Saiyajin : 220,000,000



Androids saga

Yamcha : 2,750,000

Tenshinhan : 3,400,000

Kuririn : 4,100,000

Son Gohan : 4,800,000

Android #19 : 168,000,000
~post absorptions : 210,000,000

Android #20 : 189,000,000
~post absorptions : 227,500,000

Piccolo Junior : 260,000,000

Future Trunks : 6,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 300,000,000

Son Goku : 6,600,000
~Super Saiyajin : 330,000,000

Vegeta : 6,800,000
~Super Saiyajin : 340,000,000

Android #18 : 450,000,000

Android #17 : 500,000,000



Cell saga

Imperfect Cell : 390,000,000

Piccolo Junior after Kami-sama (weighted) : 450,000,000

Android #18 : 450,000,000

Android #17 : 500,000,000

Piccolo Junior (w/o weights) : 520,000,000
~Beaten up : 350,000,000
~Gekiretsu Kodan : 800,000,000

Imperfect Cell (post humans) : 1,000,000,000

Android #16 : 1,000,000,000

Semi Perfect Cell (initial) : 2,000,000,000
~full power : 3,000,000,000

Vegeta (post Rosat) : 40,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 2,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Grade 2 : 4,000,000,000

Future Trunks (post Rosat) : 38,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 1,900,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Grade 2 : 3,800,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Grade 3 : 10,000,000,000

Perfect Cell (initial) : 3,600,000,000
~warm up : 8,000,000,000

Son Goku FPSSJ (50%) : 15,000,000,000



Cell Games

Android #16 : 1,000,000,000

Piccolo Junior (post Rosat) : 16,800,000,000

Future Trunks (post 2nd Rosat) : 384,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 19,200,000,000

Vegeta (post 2nd Rosat) : 400,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 20,000,000,000

Cell Junior : 20,500,000,000

Son Goku FPSSJ (warm up) : 8,000,000,000
~FPSSJ (100%) : 30,000,000,000

Perfect Cell (warm up) : 8,000,000,000
~vs Son Goku : 33,000,000,000
~Real speed : 40,000,000,000
~full power : 120,000,000,000
~Buff : 150,000,000,000
~Super Perfect : 180,000,000,000

Son Gohan FPSSJ : 40,000,000,000
~SSJ2 : 200,000,000,000[/spoiler]

[ahill1]

How strong do you guys have Base Goku (end of Z/vs Oob)? It's pretty much factual that he'd be around Kid Boo's level?

[ahill1]

Not necessarily. Given how Oob doesn't have much of a handle on his power, and the overall shortness of the fight in the manga (anime extensions be damned), it is entirely possible that his power output was much less than the full 30 billion (from my list) that Pure Boo was packing.

I would personally put base Goku at around 120~150 million at base form, with his Boo arc base level being 90 million. Mind you, I'm not taking Super into account as I haven't been happy with the explanations (or lack thereof) of how strong everyone is in that show, and the writing and pacing of Super in general.

Goku base (end of Z) should be at least around Good Boo:

Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P6.5
Goku: “…But someone besides us and Boo might win.”
Satan: “Hahhahhah, now really! There’s no way that could happen, right?”

Goku was already expecting Oob to be able to beat Good Boo, and later:


Context: Oob is surprised by Goku’s Bukujutsu
Goku: “Oh, I see. You still don’t even know how to fly, huh? …I guess there ain’t no helping it. You haven’t had no teacher, and you probably never even considered things like that. Sorry I bad-mouthed you before. Please forgive me. I just wanted to know your true ability. You’re exactly the person I thought you were. As amazin’ as I expected. But you don’t know how to use your power. This is the first time you’ve fought like this, right? I've got it! From now on I'll live with you at your house and teach you!” But you don’t know how to use your power. This is the first time you’ve fought like this, right? I've got it! From now on I'll live with you at your house and teach you!”

Yet Goku said Oob is as amazing as he expected, that is, Oob's power matches his previous estimations (might be able to beat Good Boo) and base Goku showed to be close to Oob's power.

[ahill1]

My early Dragon Ball numbers [if it helps someone]:

Dragon Ball Search saga

Bear Bandit - 6

Kuririn - 7 [he's not from this arc, but whatever]

Yamcha - 9

Son Goku [without tail] - 9

Son Goku [with tail] - 10

Gyūmaō - 14

Muten Roshi - 20


21st Budokai

Seniors of Kuririn's Temple - 9

Bacterian - 11

Yamcha - 12

Ran Fuan - 13

Giran - 14

Kuririn - 16

Son Goku [without tail] - 18

Namu - 19

Son Goku [with tail] - 20

Muten Roshi - 20


Muscle Tower arc

General White - 9

Ninja Murasaki - 15

Metallic - 18

Son Goku [vs Metallic] - 19

Son Goku [all-out] - 21

Buyon - 19
---resilience - 24

Android #8 [enranged] - 24


General Blue arc

Kuririn - 16

General Blue - 18

Muten Roshi - 20

Son Goku - 22


Tao Pai Pai arc

Bora - 17

Son Goku - 22

Tao Pai Pai - 30

Black Battle Jacket - 30

Son Goku [post Karin] - 36


Uranai Baba saga

Dracula Man - 10

Invisible Man - 11

Yamcha - 12

Kuririn - 16

Mummy - 22

Akkuman - 26

Son Gohan - 35

Son Goku - 36


22nd Budokai

King Chappa - 34

Chaozu - 38

Yamcha - 39

Kuririn - 40

Son Goku [initial] - 40

Son Goku [more effort/vs Kuririn] - 48

Tsuru-sen'nin - 48

Muten Roshi [vs Tenshinhan] - 53

Muten Roshi [unseen full power] - 60

Son Goku [full Match Level] - 62

Tenshinhan - 70

Son Goku [full power] - 72


King Piccolo saga

Cymbal - 45

Yajirobe [warming up] - 45

Son Goku [vs Yajirobe] - 48

Tambourine - 60

Yajirobe [serious/going for real] - 66

Son Goku[serious/vs Tambourine] - 72

Tenshinhan - 70
Drum - 90

Old Piccolo Daimao - 150

Young Piccolo Daimao - 200

Son Goku [post Water] - 203

Mr. Popo - 275

Kami-sama - 310


23rd Budokai

King Chappa - 48

Chi-Chi - 100

Chaozu - 115

Yajirobe - 120

Cyborg Tao Pai Pai - 150

Yamcha - 165

Kuririn - 180

Tenshinhan - 220

Son Goku [weighted] - 220

Kami-sama - 310

Piccolo Junior - 375

Son Goku [full power] - 380

[ahill1]

I would appreciate if you guys could share your Dragon Ball (Pre Z) and Raditz Arc power levels.

Okay. Enjoy it:

Son Goku saga
[spoiler]Bulma 4

Bear Bandit 6

Kuririn 7

Yamcha 9

Son Goku (without tail) 9

Son Goku (with tail) 10

Gyumao 15

Muten Roshi 20[/spoiler]

21st Tenkaichi Budokai
[spoiler]Orin Temple Bully 9

Bacterian 11

Yamcha 12

Giran 14

Kuririn 16

Son Goku (w/o tail) 18

Namu 19

Jackie Chun 20

Son Goku (with tail) 20[/spoiler]

Red Ribbon Arc
[spoiler]Colonel Silver 10

Ninja Murasaki 15

Kuririn 16

Pirate Robot 17

Sergeant Metallic 18

General Blue 18

Bora 18

Son Goku 22

Android #8 (enranged) 25

Tao Pai Pai 30

Son Goku (post Karin) 36[/spoiler]

Baba Arc
[spoiler]Dracula Man 10

Invisible Man 11

Yamcha 12

Kuririn 16

Mummy 22

Akkuman 26

Son Gohan 34

Son Goku 36[/spoiler]

22nd Tenkaichi Budokai
[spoiler]Chapa-o 34

Chaozu 38

Yamcha 39

Kuririn 40

Tsuru-sennin 48

Jackie Chun (vs Tenshinhan) 53
~Full power (unseen) 60

Tenshinhan 70

Son Goku (full Match Level) 63
~Battle Level 72[/spoiler]

Piccolo Daimao Arc
[spoiler]Kuririn 40

Cymbal 45

Tambourine 60

Yajirobe 66

Karin 68

Tenshinhan 70

Son Goku 72

Drum 90

Piccolo Daimao (Old) 150

Piccolo Daimao (youth restored) 200

Son Goku (post Choshinsui) 205

Mr. Popo 275

Kami-sama 310[/spoiler]

23rd Budokai
[spoiler]Chapa-o 48

Chi Chi 120

Chaozu 125

Yajirobe 125

Cyborg Tao Pai Pai 150

Yamcha 165

Kuririn 180

Tenshinhan 220

Shen 300

Piccolo Junior 375

Son Goku (weighted) 220
~Full power 380[/spoiler]

Raditz Arc
[spoiler]Muten Roshi 60
~Buff 139 (I think the scouter read was for his Buff form)

Chaozu 145

Yajirobe 145

Yamcha 177

Kuririn 206

Tenshinhan 250

Mr. Popo 275

Kami-sama 310

Piccolo Junior (weighted) 322
~W/o weights 408
~Light of Death 1,330

Son Goku (weighted) 334
~W/o weights 416
~Kamehameha 924

Son Gohan 1
~Spaceship 710
~Enranged 1,307

Raditz 1,250

Enma 2,250

Kaio-sama 3,500[/spoiler]

[ahill1]

I like your numbers overall. I'll name my few disagreements.

Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it

In the Raditz arc, Master Roshi reading was while he was normal. I don't think Yajirobe grew any stronger ever since the 23rd TB, dude's lazy!

Yeah, you're probably right, but I like to think that read was for Buff Roshi because Roshi was pretty much fodder at the 23rd Budokai. He was weaker than both 22nd Budokai's finalists by a decent margin (will get more into it soon), while a possible stronger Goku was defeated by old Piccolo Daimao using less than half of his power. Roshi at the beginning of Z (who wasn't stated to train or anything) being above less than half of Tenshinhan's Beginning of Z power (who was already most likely above young Piccolo Daimao by the 23rd Budokai) is just nonsense in my book, so I like to keep Kame-sen'nin as far as possible from the other warriors and explaining the pretty high 139 number by being his Buff form. I think it's even a viable explanation, seeing as Muten Roshi probably couldn't fool scouters.

In the 23rd TB arc, I would increase Tenshinhan's and Kuririn's power. They had decent performances against the finalists. Piccolo even said that maybe conquering the World wouldn't be as easy as he thought, after his fight with Kuririn.

I'd like to have Kuririn and Yamcha even above young Piccolo Daimao if it weren't for them both being amazed at weighted Goku's speed, which was stated to be = to his speed three years ago. Even so, I have them fairly close to young Piccolo Daimao/post Choshinsui Goku and I think a teamwork between Kuririn and Yamcha could take out one of them.

As for Tenshinhan, well, he has to be noticeable weaker than his official level given in the Beginning of Z, since I'd assume he didn't stop with his trains. I might admit his gap over Goku (from 3 years ago) and young Piccolo Daimao might be a bit too low (considering 23rd Budokai Goku said Ten was way faster than before), but there's simply not much space IMO.

I also have Piccolo a bit stronger than Goku. That's because Piccolo took way more damage in a fight that ended up technically a tie. Besides being interrupted once, right before delivering the finished blow to Goku. I think Goku came up on top due to a combination of smarts, battle instinct and techniques.

Are you referring to Piccolo Junior vs Shen/Kami? I disagree that he took damage from that fight, as it wasn't noted. He took a kiai from Kami and later was knocked in the ground, to which he went pretty much unscathed and a bit curious about his opponents' strength. We should assume both final contestants were at their peak during the fight IMO.

As for Kami preventing Piccolo from punching Goku, you have to remember that later Goku allowed to be punched, as he felt unfair about the situation. While Goku was visible tired, he noted Piccolo Junior's strength wasn't the same it used to be (in Viz he even said their punches aren't half they used to be). Right after this, Goku showed confidence that the match was his, saying he had seen through Piccolo's moves and even stated he had gotten a little stronger than his arch enemy:

Chapter: 189, P5.2, P6.1
Piccolo: “You think you can win? There’s no way you can…! I’ve…I’ve…leveled up so much that I’m now many times stronger than I was when I fought you 3 years ago…!”
Goku: “Well then, I’ve gotten just a little bit stronger than even that”


Later he withstood Piccolo's final gamble and would've decided the match if it weren't by being taken unguarded. The Beginning of Z numbers depict their differences just fine imo.

In the 22nd TB arc, I think Jackie Chun should much be closer to Tenshinhan. There's a mention how Chun didn't put out his full power. My impression was that he was really close to them (Goku and Tenshinhan), still weaker thou.

Sure, Roshi wasn't going all-out, but the Full Tournament level Goku > Full power Roshi logic does seem convincing enough to have a considerable gap, given that Ten stated he never thought someone could challenge him this much or something like this, meaning his estimations of Roshi's full power wouldn't be stronger than Full Match level Goku. That's also pretty much backed up by Roshi's admission of inferiority to his pupil's Tournament level:

[ahill1]

Goku wasn't even trying the entire match. Even with weighted clothes he was still superior in every way except speed.

Not true. Yeah, Tenshinhan was using more effort, but saying Goku wasn't even trying is wrong, he was seen as a serious expression through the "first round" and Kuririn noted they are putting a completely even offensive and defensive, to which Yamcha agreed:

Chapter: 176, P9.3-6
Context: as Tenshinhan and Goku fight
Piccolo: “They’re fast! They’ve got considerable speed.”
Kuririn: “Amazing! They’re both putting up a completely even offensive and defense!”
Yamcha: “Yeah!”
Chi-Chi: “Huh? So you two…could both see that?”
Note: So in other words, Kuririn and Yamcha can see movements too fast for Chi Chi to see.

When Kame-sennin noted they were not even, he just brought up Goku not being out of breath, while Tenshinhan was. That was part of Kami's train, learning to not do waste movements.

In the next chapter, Tenshinhan stated Goku's power was far above his power three years ago and even though the 'three eyes' was having more problems in the fight, it's pretty far-fetched to say the difference was big:

Chapter: 177, P1.2-4, P2.1
Tenshinhan: “Son, you are truly incredible. 3 years ago, your strength was all but perfect. I’m amazed that you’ve managed to go so far above even that. However, there’s one thing that you haven’t changed that much from 3 years ago. And that’s something especially important in battle…speed!”

So Tenshinhan is above Goku and Piccolo Daimao from three years ago, the manga is pretty clear on it.

Roshi is definitely weaker than both Goku and Tenshinhan, it's just the gap that you used that I think it's too much. Tenshinhan line shouldn't include something that never happened, while he knows Master Roshi held back, he can't know by how much.
In my opinion Roshi was only marginally weaker than Tenshinhan.

I don't see the gap being pretty small though, seeing Roshi said Goku might have even surpassed him. And that was Match Level Goku, not full power Goku.

With one exception, that's is your theory about Buff Roshi. He isn't buff at that moment, that's a fact. If you look at the panel, he's normal not even trying. If Mr.Toriyama intention was to show him Buff, he would have him clown around and get buff.

I didn't say he was buff there, I only like to think the read was taking into account his buff form to explain his pretty high level. Like I said, it's not like Roshi can fool scouters yet (actively suppressing himself like the ones after Kami's train), so it's a viable explanation IMO.

[ahill1]

Paikuhan (weighted) 470,000,000
Goku base (Cell Games) 480,000,000
Goku MSSJ (Cell Games) 24,000,000,000
Paikuhan 26,000,000,000
Dabura 26,000,000,000

Dubra was at the meditation chamber in the manga too? Cannot remember.

And damn, Paikuhan weights are a damn boost, huh? Took him from slightly weaker than base Goku to slightly stronger than MSSJ Goku.

[ahill1]

What do you guys have Saiyan Saga Vegeta at after he turns back into human after having his tail chopped off?

Above Nappa? Below?

Enranged Gohan could more or less keep up with him and I don't think Gohan had access to a power much higher than his enranged Masenko's power level, listed as 2,800. So weakened Vegeta would be at most at 4,000 in my book, more or less equal to the level Nappa used to tool the Z warriors, but still weaker than full power Nappa, whom I have at 7,500.

Post Genki-Dama Vegeta was weakened even more, though his power is still enough to defeat Yajirobe, whose 970 power level seems fine to me, so maybe at Raditz' level sounds good.

[ahill1]

My new DBZ power levels (not factoring the Boo saga).

Saiyans Saga


Raditz arc

Muten Roshi : 60
~Buff : 139

Chaozu : 145

Yajirobe : 145

Yamcha : 177

Kuririn : 206

Tenshinhan : 250

Mr. Popo : 275

Kami-sama : 310

Piccolo Junior (weighted) : 322
~Unweighted : 408
~Light of Death : 1,330

Son Goku (weighted) : 334
~Unweighted : 416
~Kamehameha : 924

Son Gohan : 1
~Spaceship level : 710
~Enranged : 1,307

Raditz : 1,250

Kaio-sama : 3,500


Vegeta arc

Yajirobe : 800

Chaozu : 1,000

Saibaiman : 1,200

Son Gohan : 1,307

Yamcha : 1,350

Kuririn : 1,625

Tenshinhan : 1,750

Piccolo Junior : 2,500

Son Gohan (enranged + Masenko) : 2,800

Nappa (vs Z warriors) : 4,000
~Full power : 7,500

Son Goku : 8,050
~Kaioken : 16,100
~Kaioken x3 : 24,150

Vegeta : 18,000
~Oozaru : 100,000
~Post Oozaru : 4,000
~Post Genki-Dama : 1,250


Freeza saga


Namek arc

Son Gohan : 1,500

Kuririn : 1,500
~Weighted : 1,750

Nameks warriors (suppressed) : 1,000
~Full power : 3,000

Cui : 18,000

Dodoria : 20,000

Zarbon : 22,000
~Monster : 29,000

Vegeta : 24,000
~Post Zarbon Zenkai : 29,900


Ginyu arc

Gurd : 8,000

Kuririn : 11,000

Son Gohan : 12,000

Vegeta : 29,900

Recoome : 40,000

Butta : 40,000

Jheese : 40,000

Ginyu (suppressed) : 70,000
~Full power : 120,000

Son Goku (heavily suppressed) : 5,000
~Vs Ginyus : 66,000
~Full power : 90,000
~Kaioken : 180,000


Ginyu arc part 2

Ginyu-Goku : 23,000

Kuririn : 24,000

Son Gohan : 26,000

Jheese : 40,000

Nail : 42,000

Vegeta (little effort) : 44,000
~Vs Jheese (still suppressed) : 250,000


Frreeza arc

Kuririn : 250,000

Son Gohan : 280,000

Piccolo (post Kaio training) : 300,000

Vegeta : 480,000

Freeza (1st form) : 530,000


Freeza arc part 2

Son Gohan (enranged) : 1,000,000

Son Gohan (Zenkai) : 900,000

Freeza 2nd form (initial) : 1,060,000
~Power up : 1,200,000
~Full power : 1,400,000

Piccolo post Nail (weighted) : 1,250,000
~Unweighted : 1,500,000

Son Gohan (enranged) : 1,600,000
~Masenko : 1,900,000

Freeza (3rd form) : 2,000,000

Vegeta (Zenkai) : 2,400,000

Freeza final form (initial) : 3,300,000
~50% : 70,000,000
~70% : 98,000,000
~100% : 140,000,000

Son Goku : 3,000,000
~Kaioken x 10 : 30,000,000
~Kaioken x 20 : 60,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 150,000,000


Cell saga


Mecha Freeza arc

Piccolo : 3,300,000

Vegeta : 3,500,000

King Cold : 100,000,000

Mecha Freeza (suppressed) : 100,000,000
~Full power : 155,000,000

Future Trunks : 4,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 200,000,000

Son Goku : 4,400,000
~Super Saiyajin : 220,000,000


Future Trunks arc

Future Trunks (age 14) : 64,000
~Super Saiyajin : 3,200,000

Future Gohan (1 arm) : 3,600,000
~Super Saiyajin : 180,000,000

Future Trunks (age 17) : 4,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 200,000,000

Future #18 : 330,000,000

Future #17 : 360,000,000


Androids arc

Yamcha : 2,400,000

Tenshinhan : 3,200,000

Kuririn : 4,000,000

Son Gohan : 4,800,000

Android #19 : 168,000,000
~Post absorptions : 210,000,000

Android #20 : 190,000,000
~Post absorptions : 227,500,000

Piccolo : 260,000,000

Future Trunks : 6,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 300,000,000

Son Goku : 6,600,000
~Super Saiyajin : 330,000,000

Vegeta : 6,800,000
~Super Saiyajin : 340,000,000

Android #18 : 450,000,000

Android #17 : 500,000,000


Cell arc

Imperfect Cell (Ginger Town) : 390,000,000

Piccolo (after fusing with Kami, weighted) : 450,000,000

Android #18 : 450,000,000

Android #17 : 500,000,000

Piccolo (unweighted) : 520,000,000

Imperfect Cell (post humans absorptions) : 1,000,000,000

Android #16 : 1,000,000,000

Semi Perfect Cell (initial) : 2,000,000,000
~Full power : 2,500,000,000

Vegeta (post Rosat) : 40,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 2,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Grade 2 : 3,300,000,000

Future Trunks (post Rosat) : 37,500,000
~Super Saiyajin : 1,875,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Grade 2 : 3,100,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Grade 3 : 8,000,000,000

Perfect Cell (initial) : 3,000,000,000
~Vs Vegeta and Trunks : 6,600,000,000


10 days of peace

Son Goku Super Saiyajin (50%) : 6,600,000,000

Piccolo (post Rosat) : 7,000,000,000


Cell Games

Yamcha : 2,400,000

Tenshinhan : 3,200,000

Kuririn : 4,000,000

Android #16 : 1,000,000,000

Piccolo : 7,000,000,000

Future Trunks (post 2nd year in Rosat) : 170,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 8,500,000,000

Vegeta (post 2nd year in Rosat) : 176,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 8,800,000,000

Cell Juniors : 9,000,000,000

Son Goku : 264,000,000
~Super Saiyajin (warming up) : 6,600,000,000
~Super Saiyajin full power : 13,200,000,000
~Super Saiyajin (tired) : 4,500,000,000

Perfect Cell (warming up) : 6,600,000,000
~Vs Goku : 15,000,000,000
~Vs Gohan (real speed) : 18,000,000,000
~Full power : 24,000,000,000
~Post Zenkai : 36,000,000,000

Son Gohan : 360,000,000
~Super Saiyajin full power : 18,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 2 : 40,000,000,000

[ahill1]

I have full power Perfect Cell around 170x stronger than Freeza and Kid Boo around 7x stronger than the former.

[ahill1]

I mean... What? Gohan and Krillin got 10x stronger from a battle to other? I know Vegeta states that their power are steadily increasing, but I don't think it's like that

Also I don't appreciate much that you ignore Daizenshuu numbers

Well, Kuririn and Gohan were having a bit of trouble against Ginyu-Goku, whose power level was 23,000. While they weren't trying their hardest due to being Goku's body, they don't see to be way stronger than Ginyu in Goku's body.

On the other hand, both Gohan and Kuririn were considered a help against Freeza by Vegeta, who knew Freeza could increase his battle power to more than 530,000. It doesn't make sense if they were much weaker than that, seeing how Kuririn's and Roshi's powers (206 and 139 respectively) were labeled as useless against Raditz, whose power shouldn't past the 1,500.