Because there is no need for alternative movie events.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Again, if you're saying that alternate manga events are possible, what makes alternate movie events any less valid?
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Alternative manga/anime events are necessary for, say, M4 to happen, not to mention for all movies to happen together.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Likewise, there is no need for alternate manga events. M5 referred directly to the Namek Arc. Why should we assume that it happened differently, when nothing of that nature is stated or implied at all?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Because there is no need for alternative movie events.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Again, if you're saying that alternate manga events are possible, what makes alternate movie events any less valid?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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But still, M12 connects them all...Kamiccolo9 wrote:Unless the movies specifically reference manga events, I don't connect them to the manga. So no issue there. And I've already said that I don't think the movies are connected (unless specifically stated otherwise-the Broly movies, the Cooler movies).
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Each on his own then.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Not to be disrespectful or anything, but I've already made up my mind about this, and I doubt you can convince me otherwise. Let's just agree to disagree, 'kay?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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TheMightyOzaru wrote:Ok, this is my power scaling list so far. Bare in mind it's not done yet:
Whis > Beers > SSJ God Goku > Super Vegetto > Vegetto > Buuhan > Buutenks > Gohan > Buff Buu > SSJ3 Gotenks > Evil Buu > SSJ2 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku > Uub = Pure Buu > SSJ Gotenks(Post ROSAT) > SSJ Gotenks(Pre ROSAT) > Majin Buu > Pure Evil Buu >Good Buu > SSJ2 Vegeta(Post Majin) = SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Gohan(Cell Games) >= Super Perfect Cell > SSJ2 Vegeta(Pre Majin) > SSJ2 Gohan > Kibitoshin > Perfect Cell > FPSSJ Goku = FPSSJ Vegeta(Post Majin) > FPSSJ Vegeta(Pre Majin) > Dabura = FPSSJ Gohan > FPSSJ Mirai Trunks(Post Cell) = Piccolo(EoZ) > Kaioshin > FPSSJ Vegeta(Cell Games) > FPSSJ Mirai Trunks(Cell Games) > SSJG3 Trunks > Piccolo(Buu) > SSJG2 Vegeta > SSJG2 Trunks > SSJ Trunks > SSJ Goten > Piccolo(Cell Games) > Semi-Perfect Cell > SSJ Vegeta(Cell) > SSJ Trunks(Cell) > Cyborg #16 = Imperfect Cell(Cell) > Piccolo(Cell) = Cyborg #17 > Cyborg #18 > Imperfect Cell(Cyborg) > SSJ Vegeta(Cyborg) > SSJ Goku(Cyborg) > SSJ Trunks(Cyborg) > Piccolo(Cyborg) > SSJ Goku(Freeza Returns) > SSJ Trunks(Freeza Returns) > SSJ Goku(Freeza) > Mecha Freeza > Goku(EoZ) = Vegeta(EoZ) > Freeza > King Cold > Goku(Buu) = Vegeta(Post Majin) > Gohan(Post Z-Sword) > Vegeta(Pre Majin) > Gohan(Cell Games) > Kibito = Gohan(Buu) > Goku(Cell Games) > Mirai Trunks(Post Cell Games) > Pan > Trunks(EoZ) > Goten(EoZ) > Vegeta(Cell Games) > Mirai Trunks(Cell Games) > Trunks > Goten > Vegeta(Cell) > Mirai Trunks(Cell) > Vegeta(Cyborg) > Goku(Cyborg) > Trunks(Cyborg) > Goku(Freeza Returns) > Trunks(Freeza Returns) > Gohan(Cyborg) > Goku(Freeza) > Vegeta(Freeza Returns) > Piccolo(Freeza Returns) > Vegeta(4th Zenkai) > Freeza(3rd Form) > Piccolo(Freeza) > Freeza(2nd Form) > Freeza(1st Form) > Vegeta(3rd Zenkai) > Krillin(Buu) > Gohan(Freeza) > Tenshinhan(Buu) > Krillin(Cell Games) > Tenshinhan(Cell Games) Capt. Ginyu > Yamcha(Cell Games) = Goku(Namek) > Krillin(Freeza) > Nail > Jeice = Burter > Recoome > Vegeta(2nd Zenkai) > Zarbon(Post Transformation) > Vegeta(1st Zenkai) > Zarbon > Dodoria > Cui = Vegeta(Saiyan) > Gohan(Namek) > Krillin(Namek) > > Goku(Saiyan) > Nappa > Piccolo(Saiyan) > Tenshinhan(Saiyan) > Krillin(Saiyan) > Yamcha(Saiyan) > Raditz > Gohan(Saiyan) > Chaozu(Saiyan) > Yajirobe(Saiyan) > Goku(BoZ) > Piccolo(BoZ) > Tenshinhan(BoZ) > Krillin(BoZ) > Yamcha(BoZ) > Chaozu(BoZ)
Funny... I was jokingly thinking of doing that as well...
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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What characteristics?Kamiccolo9 wrote:I see Gray Buu as a manifestation of Buu's evil-not a true Buu, as he lacks some of the characteristics the other Buu's demonstrate
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I think you want to say gray skin, since that's the one that is anime only?Kamiccolo9 wrote:Pink skin (although this is anime only)
And fat Boo is the only fat one.Kamiccolo9 wrote:being emaciated
He didn't get the chance to show it.Kamiccolo9 wrote:we never see any kind of regeneration from him.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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We don't know that for sure. It's possible that Gotenks was a SS3 inside Boo, but Boo's infinite stamina prevented SS3 from draining any power.Rocketman wrote:Buu uses the full powers of those he absorbs - Gotenks lasts 30 minutes, but Buu gains the power of SS3.hleV wrote:Piccolo is stronger than base boys.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I agree that genki is not related to power. I believe that genki is related to the life-spawn of the creature. So, kid will have more genki than an old man, and a Namekian will have more genki than an Earthling.Rocketman wrote:What if everybody, no matter how strong, has the same amount of genki?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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While I don't like fan-made battle powers that much, I decided to make a small list about the Saiyans in Boo arc. Why? Because they are the only complicated power differences in the series, so I want to have a memo for debates like how much stronger Gotenks is than Goku, etc. I'll probably not change anything (except if there is a mathematical error I made), and most likely not make any other BP list. Also, I have Boo arc Gohan = Cell Games Gohan in terms of raw power, but Boo arc Gohan has very rusty skills & it's much harder for him to get more angry.
So, here we go!
Multipliers:
Son Goku - 80.000.000
So, here we go!
Multipliers:
- Super Saiyan - base x50
Super Saiyan 2 - SS x2
Super Saiyan 3 - SS2 x4
Fusion - Strongest of the two x160 (when done successfully)
Potara - Strongest of the two x90.000 (when the 2 fighters are similar in power, size, age, and race)
Son Goku - 80.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 4.000.000.000
Super Saiyan 2 - 8.000.000.000
Super Saiyan 3 - 32.000.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 3.000.000.000
Super Saiyan 2 - 6.000.000.000
Super Saiyan 2 (Enraged) - 7.500.000.000
Ultimate - 4.500.000.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 2.200.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 2.600.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 3.250.000.000
Super Saiyan 2 - 6.500.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 4.000.000.000
Super Saiyan 2 - 8.000.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 2.250.000.000.
- Super Saiyan - 2.600.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 360.000.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 416.000.000.000
Super Saiyan 3 - 3.328.000.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 360.000.000.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 640.000.000.000
Super Saiyan 3 - 5.120.000.000.000
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Well, the numbers are mostly for comparison rather than accuracy... but why is that?TheMightyOzaru wrote:I can already tell you that Goku cannot be lower than 30,000,000 and make sense.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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After doing some calculations, you are right! Wait for the fix now...
And... fixed! I also made the Potara multiplier much bigger, because I forgot to make base Vegetto stronger than U. Gohan & Gotenks Boo, but weaker than Gohan Boo.
And... fixed! I also made the Potara multiplier much bigger, because I forgot to make base Vegetto stronger than U. Gohan & Gotenks Boo, but weaker than Gohan Boo.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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OK, so I found out that making up battle powers is actually fun... So, I decided to make some for BoG, 28th TB, and GT. I only did the Saiyans, Oob, Beers, and Whis, but I'll do villains later, and I'll also do Cell arc, along with the movies. I'll also probably do Dragon Ball, and the missing BPs from Saiyan & Freeza arc. Eventually, I will combine them all in one big post. I also added SS & SS3 Gogeta from M12 & DBH in the Boo arc list. Also, when a fighter is missing from an arc/movie, it means that his power didn't change from the previous one (for example, Boo arc Gohan is as strong as BoG Gohan).
Multipliers:
Son Goku - 85.000.000
Whis - 1.000.000.000.000.000.000
28th Tenkaichi Budokai arc
Son Goku - 90.000.000
Oob - 10
Son Goku - 100.000.000
Oob - 40.000.000.000
Multipliers:
- Oozaru - base x10
Super Saiyan - base x50
Super Saiyan 2 - SS x2
Super Saiyan 3 - SS2 x4
Golden Oozaru - Oozaru x4.000
Super Saiyan 4 - Golden Oozaru x80
Fusion - Strongest of the two x160 (when done successfully)
Son Goku - 85.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 4.250.000.000
Super Saiyan 2 - 8.500.000.000
Super Saiyan 3 - 34.000.000.000
Super Saiyan God - 60.000.000.000.000.000- Base - 29.000.000.000.000.000
Super Saiyan - 58.000.000.000.000.000
- Base - 29.000.000.000.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 4.250.000.000
Super Saiyan 2 - 8.500.000.000- Super Saiyan 2 (Enraged)- 40.000.000.000
Whis - 1.000.000.000.000.000.000
28th Tenkaichi Budokai arc
Son Goku - 90.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 4.500.000.000
Super Saiyan 2 - 9.000.000.000
Super Saiyan 3 - 36.000.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 4.500.000.000
Super Saiyan 2 - 9.000.000.000
Oob - 10
- Enraged - 1.000.000.000 and rising
Full Power - 36.500.000.000
Son Goku - 100.000.000
- Oozaru - 1.000.000.000
Super Saiyan - 5.000.000.000
Super Saiyan 2 - 10.000.000.000
Super Saiyan 3 - 40.000.000.000
Golden Oozaru - 4.000.000.000.000
Super Saiyan 4 - 320.000.000.000.000
- Ultra-Full-Power-Saiyan 4 - 2.000.000.000.000.000
- Oozaru - 960.000.000
Super Saiyan - 4.800.000.000
Super Saiyan 2 - 9.600.000.000
Golden Oozaru - 3.840.000.000.000
Super Saiyan 4 - 307.200.000.000.000
- Super Saiyan 4 - 51.200.000.000.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 4.250.000.000
Super Saiyan 2 - 8.500.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 3.750.000.000
- Super Saiyan - 3.750.000.000
Oob - 40.000.000.000
- Super - 2.000.000.000.000
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
OK, I did the Son Goku - Freeza arcs, and completed the Boo arc. If I made any mistakes, feel free to correct me. (BTW, the Nappa, Cyborg Taopaipai, and Kame-sennin (Daimao arc) BPs are changed because I disagree with them.)
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Gohan is at 200.000 at that point, and Kuririn should be somewhere somewhere close to 75.000, while Ginyu is at 23.000.Kamiccolo9 wrote:I'd put Gohan and Krillin higher during the fight with Ginyu in Goku's body. IIRC, they were beating him.
I'll do Cell arc, along with the movies, specials, fillers, and the rest of GT later.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Cell arc?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
You know what, you are right. I'll post later the complete manga (+ Dr. Slump, Neko Majin, BoG, DBO, and the manga spin-offs) later with a few updates here & there, and I'll fix that.Kamiccolo9 wrote:They were beating him, not utterly crushing him with no effort. Vegeta says that their power has been rising since their powerup, so it seems more likely that it was increased over time, rather than an all at once thing.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Gohan is at 200.000 at that point, and Kuririn should be somewhere somewhere close to 75.000, while Ginyu is at 23.000.Kamiccolo9 wrote:I'd put Gohan and Krillin higher during the fight with Ginyu in Goku's body. IIRC, they were beating him.
It wasn't because it was hard, it was just because I wanted to do Boo arc first. And it's ready now!TheMightyOzaru wrote:The Cell arc is a lot easier to calculate than the Buu arc. Not sure why you didn't that before the Buu arc.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I'll do Cell arc, along with the movies, specials, fillers, and the rest of GT later.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Cell arc?
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
OK, the manga is complete! I also added Episode of Bardock, JSAT, BoG, Dr. Slump, Neko Majin, and DBO. In other words, all the manga/manga-based works. I added Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Fat, and Skinny Gotenks in Boo arc, updated Kuririn & Gohan in Freeza arc, moved the Dr. Slump characters from RRA arc to Dr. Slump, and removed Gogeta because I'll add him with the movies later.
I also want to say something about DBO: Goten, Trunks, and Pan getting SS2 & SS3, or Oob learning Kaio-ken, or that they surpassed Goku, or that Vegeta learned how to control his rage boost from BoG, none of these were officially confirmed. They're all opinion based. And no, the Z-Senshi (minus Piccolo) are not alive at that period, they are only mentioned through the timeline of the game. So, these are their battle powers before their death, or before they got weaker due to their age.
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I also want to say something about DBO: Goten, Trunks, and Pan getting SS2 & SS3, or Oob learning Kaio-ken, or that they surpassed Goku, or that Vegeta learned how to control his rage boost from BoG, none of these were officially confirmed. They're all opinion based. And no, the Z-Senshi (minus Piccolo) are not alive at that period, they are only mentioned through the timeline of the game. So, these are their battle powers before their death, or before they got weaker due to their age.
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- Oozaru - base x10
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Super Saiyan - base x50
Super Saiyan Grade 2 - base x70
Super Saiyan Grade 3 - base x95
Super Saiyan 2 - base x100
Super Saiyan 3 - base x400
Fusion - Strongest of the two x160 (when done successfully)
Potara - Strongest of the two x90.000 (when the 2 fighters are similar in power, size, age, and race)
- Oozaru - base x10
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Fuck, what have I done?! I'll fix that.Zombie wrote:Semi Cell > 50% MSSJ Goku?
Sorry but I just can't see that.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
I was gonna fix that before posting but I forgot to... but now I fixed it! Though I'm gonna have to completely change all the BPs for the Saiyans from Cell Games to the end...Zombie wrote:Also the gap from Vegeta and Perfect Cell is very small. You should make it bigger.
If anybody else notices any mistake, please let me know!
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
PATIENCE, PATIENCE, PATIENCE, PATIENCE!TheMightyOzaru wrote:MOVIES, MOVIES, MOVIES, MOVIES!
Once I fix this list, then I'll do the movies.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.