Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[apex_pretador]

Shouldn't base gotenks be MUCH stronger than piccolo ?

Since I have SSJ Gotenks post = SSJ3 Goku, and since I use a 50x SSJ for fusions as well, that would make SSJ3 Goku over 50x Piccolo as well, which would make Goku almost 4x stronger than Piccolo in SSJ, and I don't think the gap is that big.

I just worked out no multiplier for gotenks, and I used these for him :
- Official multipliers for goku
- Base gotenks (pre) > piccolo
- SS gotenks (pre) between majin vegeta & fat buu

and, SS turned out to be 3x for him, & even post RoSaT , 3x worked perfectly for me. (you can check out my numbers in the 4 posts above this).

Atleast post HTC gotenks must be a lot superior to piccolo, as he was like gotenks is the only hope (even before knowing he can go SS)

Well, I just don't like using different multipliers. It's just confusing. And I'm pretty sure Piccolo would know that post HTC Gotenks could go SSJ, since he already saw Gotenks go SSJ pre RoSaT.

Piccolo never saw gotenks go SSJ, he never did that pre RoSaT.

Even when gotenks goes SSJ in the RoSaT , piccolo was like "wow, they can go super-saiyajin when fused".

Plus, base gotenks post rosat was heavily implied to be atleast comparable to his SSJ self , if not superior. We also see how the gap between super buu & SS gotenks was more like 2-3x, rather than 7.5x as it would've been if gotenks has the same multipliers as goku.

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Like DanielSSJ said, this is a non-scouter list, as they seem very inconsistent with the implied gaps. This method has been popularised on many forums since the inconsistencies created with the numbers given in Raditz's arrival.

They're just impossible if you use the statements. Less than half old Piccolo Daimao tanks Goku's Kamehameha and young Piccolo Daimao is so stronger than his old self that there's no comparison between their powers.

There aren't any inconsistencies.

When was daimao "less than half" ? I don't remember when he said that. You sure about the translation ?

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So does anyone have a serious power level for Ten's Shin Kikoho?

I don't feel like it is a good idea to do the power levels for ki attacks.

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It's the first time I've tried to do a power levels list. I've tried to stay as low as possible.
I don't really care about power levels as they are long gone from the series. Anyways, if you notice any error/incongruence in my list, let me know.


Multipliers
Oozaru - 10x base
SSJ - 50x Base
SSJ Grade 2 - 60x Base with 5% speed loss
SSJ Grade 3 - 80x Base with 10% speed loss
FPSSJ - 60x Base with no drawbacks
SSJ2 - 100x Base
SSJ3 - 200x Base

Fusions
Dance - [(A+B) + (A+B)] x 2
Potara - ??? (Potara >>> Fusion Dance)

Dragon Ball Z

Trunks Arc

Spoiler:

Mecha Freezer - 140,000,000
King Cold - 120,000,000

Future Trunks - 3,200,000
SSJ- 160,000,000
Goku - 3,400,000
SSJ - 170,000,000

Vegeta - 3,000,000
Piccolo - 2,000,000
Gohan - 400,000
Krillin - 100,000
Tenshinhan - 75,000
Yamcha- 30,000

Android Saga

Spoiler:

Goku- 4,000,000
SSJ- 200,000,000
SSJ with Heart Attack- 50,000,000
Vegeta- 4,100,000
SSJ - 205,000,000
Future Trunks- 3,800,000
SSJ- 190,000,000
Piccolo Weighted - 140,000,000
Full Power- 175,000,000


Gohan - 2,800,000
Tenshinhan - 2,000,000
Krillin - 2,500,000
Yamcha - 1,500,000


Android 19- 70,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 140,000,000
Dr.Gero - 80,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 160,000,000


Android 18- 270,000,000
Android 17- 280,000,000

Cell Saga

Spoiler:

Piccolo (Kami)
Full Power- 290,000,000
Worn Out- 270,000,000

Android 16- 300,000,000

Cell
Imperfect- 270,000,000
Humans Absorbed- 300,000,000
Semi Perfect- 570,000,000
Perfect Cell- 850,000,000
Perfect Cell (Bulk Up)- 1,200,000,000

Tenshinhan's Neo Tri-Beam- 200,000,000
(100x Tenshinan's power, doesn't do damage to Cell but pushes him back 3 times)

Vegeta- 12,000,000
SSJ- 600,000,000
SSJ Grade 2- 720,000,000
Final Flash- 800,000,000


Trunks- 11,500,000
SSJ- 575,000,000
SSJ Grade 2- 690,000,000
SSJ Grade 3, 920,000,000
(He is slightly weaker than Vegeta, but grade 3 his power level his greater than Cell's, but he lacks the speed necessary to beat him)

Cell Games

Spoiler:

Mr. Satan- 50

Goku- 13,500,000
FPSSJ - 810,000,000
After battle with Cell - 405,000,000

Cell Suppressed vs Goku - 810,000,000
Suppressed vs Gohan - 840,000,000
Full Power- 900,000,000
Full Power (Bulk up)- 1,300,000,000
Super Perfect- 1,500,000,000

Gohan - 14,000,000
MSSJ- 840,000,000
SSJ2- 1,400,000,000
Enraged SSJ2- 1,500,000,000
Wounded- 1,200,000
Father-Son Kamehameha - 1,600,000,000

Cell Jr- 750,000,000
Vegeta- 12,500,000
SSJ - 750,000,000
Trunks- 12,000,000
SSJ- 720,000,000
Piccolo- 500,000,000

The Future

Spoiler:

Future Android 17- 280,000,000
Future Android 18- 270,000,000
Future Gohan- 2,800,000
SSJ- 140,000,000
Trunks- 12,500,000
SSJ- 750,000,000
Post 3 years- 13,000,000
SSJ- 780,000,000
Future Cell- 300,000,000

Majin Buu's resurrection

Spoiler:

Gohan- 13,500,000
FPSSJ- 810,000,000
Post Training- 13,750,000
SSJ- 825,000,000
SSJ2- 1,375,000,000

Goten- 5,750,000
FPSSJ- 345,000,000
Post Training with Gohan- 7,750,000
FPSSJ- 465,000,000
Trunks- 6,000,000
FPSSJ- 360,000,000
Post Training with Vegeta- 8,000,000
FPSSJ- 480,000,000

(Both Goten and Trunks are naturally FPSSJ. They are both strong enough to scare Android 18. From now on EVERY Saiyan has 60x SSJ multiplier, assuming they have all mastered it)

Goku- 14,500,000
SSJ- 870,000,000
SSJ2- 1,450,000,000
SSJ3- 2,900,000,000

Vegeta- 14,250,000
SSJ- 855,000,000
SSJ2- 1,425,000,000
Majin SSJ- 870,000,000
Majin SSJ2- 1,450,000,000

Krillin- 2,500,000
Yamcha- 1,000,000
Android 18- 270,000,000

Piccolo- 490,000,000
Kaioshin- 500,000,000
Kibito- 13,500,000


Mr. Satan- 45
Videl- 50
Post Ki Training- 60
Yamu- 50
Spopovitch- 40

Pui-Pui- 500,000
Yakon- 10,000,000
Dabura- 1,300,000,000

(Pui-Pui brags about being able to move at 10x gravity and is easily dispatched by Vegeta. Yakon is weaker than base Goku who transforms just to lighten up the place. Dabura doesn't pose a threat to Goku or Vegeta at all, and should be defeated by Gohan at his maximum power)

Majin Buu - 2,500,000,000
Full Power- 2,700,000,000
Good Buu- 2,000,000,000
Evil Buu- 2,500,000,000

Gotenks- 54,000,000
SSJ- 3,240,000,000
(Goku was sure Gotenks at its best could easily defeat Buu, that's why he didn't defeat Buu himself)

Buu Saga

Spoiler:

Goten- 9,750,000
Trunks- 10,000,000

Gotenks- 78,000,000
SSJ- 4,680,000,000
SSJ3- 15,600,000,000

(Gotenks was clearly better than Super Buu and he knew, but decided to play around)

Mystic Gohan - 16,000,000,000

Super Buu- 12,000,000,000
Buutenks- 25,000,000,000
Buuhan- 30,000,000,000

Tenshinhan- 2,500,000


Vegito- 30,000,000,000
SSJ- 1,500,000,000,000


Kid Buu- 3,000,000,000
SSJ3 Goku- 3,000,000,000
Full Power- 3,200,000,000
(If Goku could use his SSJ3 at full power he would have beaten Kid Buu)

Genkidama - 3,000,000,000
Genkidama + Goku's Boost - 6,000,000,000

Dragon Ball Super

With Super, power levels get so high it's impossible to calculate them. I will base power levels from Toriyama's statement of God Goku being 6, Beerus at 70% being a 7, Full Power 10, and Whis 15 and use it as a base to make power levels.

Battle of Gods Arc

Spoiler:

Goku
Base - 250
SSJ - 12,500
SSJ2 - 25,000
SSJ3 - 50,000
SSG - 6,500,000

Vegeta
Base - 240
SSJ - 12,000
SSJ2 - 24,000
SSJ2 Enraged - 960,000

Beerus
Full Power - 10,000,000
vs SSJ3 Goku, at 1% - 100,000
vs Enraged Vegeta, at 10% - 1,000,000
vs God Goku, at 70% - 7,000,000

Whis
Full Power - 15,000,000

Revival of Freezer Arc

Spoiler:

Goku with God Ki
Base - 140,000
SSB - 7,000,000

Vegeta with God Ki
Base - 142,000
SSB - 7,100,000

Freezer
1st Form - 15,000
4th Form - 150,000
Golden - 7,500,000
Exhausted - 6,500,000

(Golden Form is 50x of Freezer's 4th form)

Gohan
Base - 250
SSJ - 12,500

Tagoma
Pre-Training - 100
Post-Training - 10,000

- Imperfect cell is too close to piccolo in both pre & post. He must be MUCH farther apart pre & post.

- Mr Satan 50 ? ? 50 is too much IMO. Going by BoZ levels, it will be around 21st TB goku level.

- How does piccolo get weaker in buu arc ? He was confident in entering the tournament, and as stated by toriyama, he regularly trains.

- It is a good idea to use different scale for DBS, but I feel like tagoma is too high on the list

[apex_pretador]

What's even the point in ignoring scouter levels on DBZ? I can understand with Dragon Ball, but your levels are already getting way too high.

I dunno, but I'm putting Saiyan Arc Piccolo at 42 trillion. Because mah powah levals is bettah than that there mangas.

You mean saiyan arc yamcha? Piccolo at saiyan arc must be like around 100 quintillion units Because ..................

Anyways, I don't have any being in trillions in entire Z , & entire GT (except gogeta & omega).
Even super vegetto is just 400 billion in my list.

[apex_pretador]

I also believe that in BoZ scouter numbers, the power gap between roshi & krillin , roshi & tien , tien & piccolo / goku was too low & it doesn't fit daimao , god & popo easily.

It must've been like this:

roshi - 120
Tien - 300
Krillin - 260
Yamcha - 240

Young daimao - 220

Popo - 360
Kami - 480
Goku & piccolo - 650

Raditz could still be same & every issue is solved, but now we already have manga numbers, they indicate that the gaps weren't too big.
Same as BoG , where base saiyans were nothing to freeza (bar gohan), even though many people believe that they surpassed piccolo.

[apex_pretador]

Actually,if you put BOZ Goku at 910 like how V-Jump have them at,everything would be fine.The moment Raditz check unweighted Piccolo and Goku's power level is when they just removed it,so it could be that they're not at full power at time.I'm planning to change my PL list and have them that way.

or power levels were measuring just physical power level, and the total ki level goku & piccolo had, were higher. Like goku resisting the nuclear bomb-like attack from piccolo, & piccolo resisting mega kamehameha.

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Tier list:

DB:

1. Regular human
2. Thugs / guards , bear thief etc
3. BoDB yamcha , krillin
4. BoDB goku
5. Krillin's bully (oorin temple) , bacterian
6. 21st TB yamcha , giran , panput
7. 21st TB krillin , nam , ninja mursaki
8. General blue , major metallitron
9. 21st TB goku , 21st TB jacky chun , mummy man
10. Goku (pre karin) , Bora , akkuman
11. King chappa , 22nd TB chiatzu , cymbal
12. Grandpa gohan , tao pai pai , 22nd TB yamcha
13. 22nd TB krillin , 23rd TB chiatzu , karin
14. 22nd TB goku (match level) , tamburine , 22nd TB jacky chun
15. 22nd TB tien , 22nd TB goku , yajirobe
16. Drum
17. Old daimao (suppressed, unweighted) , cyborg tao
18. Old daimao , ozaru goku (BoDB)
19. Shenron
20. Young daimao , 23rd TB yamcha , post god water goku , 23rd TB krillin
21. Mr popo , 23rd TB tien
22. Kami
23. Goku & piccolo (23rd TB)

Saiyan invasion & namek trip

22. Kami
23. Goku & piccolo
24. Gohan (upset) , random freeza soldier , Yajirobe , chiatzu (trained)
25. Raditz , saibaman , yamcha , gohan (training)
26. Krillin , tien
27. Piccolo (trained)
28. Young namekians
29. Nappa
30. Goku , ozaru gohan , guldo
31. KK goku
32. Potential unlock krillin , gohan , KK x2 goku
33. Cui , vegeta (earth)
34. KK x3 goku , dodoria , zarbon
35. Vegeta (namek) , ginyu goku , krillin & gohan (vs goku)
36. Monster Zarbon , vegeta (post zarbon)
37. Recoome , jeece , butta , nail
38. Krillin (vs freeza) , filler tien
39. Namek goku , peak canon chiatzu
40. Cap ginyu , namek piccolo
41. KK goku , gohan (vs freeza)
42. Vegeta (vs jeece) , Peak canon yamcha
43. Vegeta (vs freeza) , 1st form freeza
44. Enraged gohan , zenkai gohan , 2nd form freeza (initial)
45. Weighted piccolo , 2nd form freea (full power)
46. Unweighted piccolo, enraged gohan, peak canon tien , peak canon krillin
47. 3rd Form freeza, pre death vegeta
48. Final form freeza , Goku base
49. Powered up freeza
50. No hands freeza
51. KK x10 goku
52. Yakon, #19 (pre vegeta)
53. KK x20 goku & 50% freeza, king cold
54. 70% freeza, dr gero
55. Namek SS goku , 100% freeza

Android & cell arc:

48. Final form freeza, piccolo , vegeta (trunks arrival)
49. Base goku , gohan (post trained)
50. Base Goku , gohan (cell games)
51. #19 (pre goku)
52. #19 (pre vegeta)
53. King cold , 50% freeza
54. Dr gero (post) , vegeta (post)
55. Piccolo (unfused) , SS future trunks
56. SS vegeta
57. Cell (pre) , weighted kamiccolo , Future androids
58. Unweighted kamiccolo , #18 , #17
59. #16 , Cell (post)
60. SS vegeta , trunks (HTC) , intital semi cell
61. Semi-cell FP
62. Super vegeta, super trunks
63. Initial PC, "around half" goku
64. Cell games piccolo
65. Cell games trunks , vegeta , cell jrs
66. Perfect cell (vs goku, gohan) ,CG SS goku , gohan
67. Perfect cell (full power)
68. SS2 gohan (adult)
69. SPC , SS2 kid gohan

Buu arc:

52. Base saiyans, yakon
65. SS trunks , goten
66. Piccolo , SS gohan
67. Goku , vegeta SS , kaioshin , base gotenks (pre)
68. SS2 gohan , Dabura
69. SS2 kid gohan ,SS2 pre majin vegeta , initial fat buu
70. Majin vegeta , SS2 goku
71. SS gotenks (post) , base gotenks (pre) , SS2 Z sword gohan
72. Fat buu , Mr buu
73. Evil skinny buu
74. SS gotenks (post) , Kid buu , SS3 goku
75. Super buu , SS3 gotenks
76. Gohan, buff buu
77. Buutenks , buuhan
78. -----------
79. SS vegetto

[apex_pretador]

You guys forget in original Dragon Ball power levels weren't introduced, and it was more focused on: Skill, Power and Speed. Also fighters' body and experience made a big difference, and their techniques made a HUGE difference.
Scouters have a different way of measuring one's strength but you have to remember that when Goku fired a kamehameha against Raditz, it increased his power to 1000.

Just like I posted above, I believe ki level & power level are twi different things, & it is what makes earthlings special.
Like goku & piccolo using their strongest attacks at 23rd TB & resisting with little damage, but being KO'd by raditz hits.
Or the scouter increase from KHH & SBC, maybe that was the total ki they can use, above physical PL.

When krillin got enraged (vs saibaman) , everyone (including piccolo) was amazed. Similarly, we see KK x3 goku stalemating galick gun, while he was thrashing around vegeta.

[apex_pretador]

how come freeza 50% is 15 M , while freeza 100% + KKx20 KHH damage + SB damage + beatdown from SS goku damage + all other damage from all fights = 40 M ?
Even if he was undamaged, he can't be over 30 M by your numbers.

[apex_pretador]

how come freeza 50% is 15 M , while freeza 100% + KKx20 KHH damage + SB damage + beatdown from SS goku damage + all other damage from all fights = 40 M ?
Even if he was undamaged, he can't be over 30 M by your numbers.

Goku was also very damaged. I just assume when they power up (Freezer to 100% and Goku to SSJ) their battle damage is undone.

But still, won't it make him 30 million? 50% x 2 = 100%
15 x 2 = 30 ?

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- 17 himself stated that they were on par but he will win because of his stamina.

17 stated he can take cell down, after watching piccolo go all out in that light grenade & cell tanking it, & 2 shotting piccolo.

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UPDATED LIST. MINIMUM Possible PLs. I ignore Daizenshuu power levels, and stay as low as I can.
There might still be some errors so if you guys notice, please point them out. I think this is the minimum power levels can be.


Multipliers
Oozaru - 10x base
SSJ - 50x Base
SSJ Grade 2 - 60x Base with 5% speed loss
SSJ Grade 3 - 80x Base with 10% speed loss
FPSSJ - 60x Base with no drawbacks
SSJ2 - 100x Base
SSJ3 - 150x Base

Fusions
Dance = [(A+B)] x 4
Potara = Average of PL x100

Dragon Ball Z


Freezer’s Saga

Spoiler:

Goku after Zenkai
Base - 300,000
Kaioken x10 - 3,000,000
Kaioken x20 - 6,000,000
Super Saiyan - 15,000,000

Krillin - 15,000

Gohan after Zenkai
Base - 200,000
Angry - 1,000,000

Piccolo - 1,150,000

Vegeta
Base - 300,000
After Zenkai - 1,200,000

Freezer
1st form - 530,000
2nd form - 1,100,000
3rd form - 3,000,000
Final Form 50% - 6,000,000
Final Form - 10,300,000
100% Form - 12,000,000

Trunks Arc

Spoiler:

Mecha Freezer - 16,000,000
King Cold - 10,000,000

Future Trunks
Base - 1,000,000
SSJ - 50,000,000
Goku
Base - 1,200,000
SSJ - 60,000,000

Vegeta - 1,300,000
Piccolo - 1,200,000
Gohan - 250,000
Krillin - 25,000
Tenshinhan - 20,000
Yamcha - 15,000

Android Saga

Spoiler:

Goku
Base - 1,400,000
SSJ - 70,000,000
SSJ (Heart Virus) - 15,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 1,500,000
SSJ - 75,000,000

Future Trunks
Base - 1,200,000
SSJ - 60,000,000

Piccolo - 50,000,000


Gohan - 750,000
Tenshinhan - 100,000
Krillin - 120,000
Yamcha - 80,000


Android 19 - 15,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 25,000,000
Dr.Gero - 25,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 35,000,000


Android 18 - 85,000,000
Android 17 - 90,000,000

Cell Saga

Spoiler:

Piccolo (Kami)
Full Power - 90,000,000
Worn Out - 85,000,000

Android 16 - 100,000,000

Cell
Imperfect - 80,000,000
Humans Absorbed - 100,000,000
Semi Perfect - 210,000,000
Perfect Cell - 330,000,000


Vegeta
Base - 4,500,000
SSJ - 225,000,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 270,000,000

Trunks
Base - 4,250,000
SSJ - 212,500,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 255,000,000
SSJ Grade 3 - 340,000,000
(He is slightly weaker than Vegeta, but grade 3 his power level his slightly higher than Cell's, but he lacks the speed necessary to beat him)

Cell Games

Spoiler:

Goku
Base - 5,000,000
FPSSJ - 300,000,000
After battle with Cell - 200,000,000

Perfect Cell
Suppressed vs Goku - 300,000,000
Suppressed vs Gohan - 520,000,000
Full Power - 340,000,000
Super Perfect - 600,000,000

Gohan
Base - 5,500,000
FPSSJ - 330,000,000
SSJ2 - 550,000,000
Enraged SSJ2 - 600,000,000
Wounded - 450,000,000
Father-Son Kamehameha - 700,000,000

Cell Jr - 260,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 4,600,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 276,000,000
Trunks
Base - 4,400,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 264,000,000

Piccolo - 250,000,000

The Future

Spoiler:

Future Android 17- 80,000,000
Future Android 18- 70,000,000

Future Gohan
Base - 800,000
SSJ - 40,000,000

Trunks
Base - 4,500,000
SSJ - 225,000,000
Post 3 years - 4,600,000
FPSSJ - 276,000,000

Future Cell- 65,000,000

Babidi Saga

Spoiler:

Gohan
Base - 5,200,000
SSJ - 260,000,000

Post Training - 5,400,000
FPSSJ - 324,000,000
SSJ2 - 540,000,000

Goten
Base - 1,000,000
FPSSJ - 60,000,000

Post Training with Gohan - 1,500,000
FPSSJ - 90,000,000

Trunks
Base - 1,200,000
FPSSJ - 72,000,000

Post Training with Vegeta- 1,600,000
FPSSJ - 96,000,000

(Both Goten and Trunks are naturally FPSSJ. They are both strong enough to scare Android 18. From now on EVERY Saiyan has 60x SSJ multiplier, assuming they have all mastered it)

Goku
Base - 6,000,000
SSJ - 360,000,000
SSJ2 - 600,000,000
SSJ3 - 900,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 5,800,000
SSJ - 348,000,000
SSJ2 - 580,000,000
Majin SSJ - 360,000,000
Majin SSJ2 - 600,000,000

Krillin - 150,000
Android 18 - 85,000,000

Piccolo - 260,000,000
Kaioshin- 400,000,000
Kibito - 5,400,000


Pui-Pui - 100,000
Yakon - 10,000,000
Dabura - 500,000,000

Majin Buu
Full Power - 800,000,000
Good Buu - 400,000,000
Evil Buu - 600,000,000

Gotenks
Base - 12,500,000
SSJ - 750,000,000

Buu Saga

Spoiler:

Goten - 2,400,000
Trunks - 2,600,000

Gotenks
Base - 15,000,000
SSJ - 900,000,000
SSJ3 - 2,250,000,000

(Gotenks was clearly better than Super Buu and he knew, but decided to play around)

Mystic Gohan - 2,500,000,000

Super Buu - 2,000,000,000
Buutenks - 4,500,000,000
Buuhan - 5,000,000,000


Vegito
Base - 600,000,000
SSJ - 30,000,000,000

Kid Buu - 900,000,000

SSJ3 Goku - 850,000,000
Full Power - 950,000,000
(If Goku could use his SSJ3 at full power he would have beaten Kid Buu)

Genkidama - ???

Dragon Ball Super


Battle of Gods Arc

Spoiler:

Goku
Base - 6,000,000
SSJ - 300,000,000
SSJ2 - 600,000,000
SSJ3 - 900,000,000
SSG - 65,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 6,000,000
SSJ - 300,000,000
SSJ2 - 600,000,000
SSJ2 Enraged - 9,000,000,000

Beerus
Full Power - 100,000,000,000
vs SSJ3 Goku, at 1% - 1,000,000,000
vs Enraged Vegeta, at 10% - 10,000,000,000
vs God Goku, at 70% - 70,000,000,000

Whis
Full Power - 150,000,000,000

Revival of Freezer Arc

Spoiler:

Goku with God Ki
Base - 7,000,000,000
SSB - 70,000,000,000

Vegeta with God Ki
Base - 7,100,000,000
SSB - 71,000,000,000

Freezer
1st Form - 1,300,000,000
4th Form - 6,500,000,000
Golden - 75,000,000,000
Exhausted - 65,000,000,000


Gohan
Base - 5,500,000
SSJ - 275,000,000

Tagoma
Pre-Training - 25,000
Post-Training - 250,000,000

Seriously bro, a few issues:

- How is goku isn't atleast 1.5x Super vegeta ? Vegeta & trunks were awe-struck like there is nothing like this they've ever sensed. Trunks sensed initial PC (bulk form) before. Vegeta was less than 65% (at best) goku.

- Freeza fought & was even with goku, with goku actually gaining upper hand. After that, he powers up to a point where he is dominating goku without arms. After that , goku powers up & forces freeza to use 50% of his power. After that, goku uses 20x KK. No way in hell can goku KK x10 be equal to 3rd form F.

- Suppressed PC vs goku was way stronger than the cell trunks fought.

- Base gotenks (pre) must be stronger than piccolo , & post HTC base gotenks is definitely stronger than piccolo by a good deal.

- Both goku & majin vegeta must be a good bit stronger than CG gohan at his best.

- Fat buu must be over 2x SS2 gohan.

- BoG SS3 goku weaker than gohan & gotenks ? Also, vegetto was useless for a heavily suppressed beerus even before seeing his true power.

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Movies list:
They follow the power level list from my previous posts (see signature)

Dead Zone:

Spoiler:

Garlic Jr - 300 , bulk up - 600
Kami - 230 (weakened due to age)
Piccolo - 322 , 408
Goku - 334 , 416

World's strongest:

Spoiler:

Roshi - 139 , KHH - 300
Saibaman ripoffs - 120
Krillin - 220
Bio-fighters - 400
Gohan - 100 , angry & confident - 700 , enraged - 1307
Piccolo - 600
Goku - 600 , KK x3 - 1800 , KK x4 - 2400 , KHH - 3000
Dr wheelo - 3000

Tree of might:

Spoiler:

Piccolo - 18,000
Turles - 26,000 , fruit - 326,000 , 2nd fruit - 626,000
Goku - 30,001 , KK x10 - 300,010
Gohan - 10,000

Lord slug:

Spoiler:

Piccolo - 40,000
Gohan - 20,000
Slug's henchmen - 20,000-40,000
Old slug - 80,000
Young slug - 400,000 , giant - 1,500,000 (stronger than 2nd form freeza)
Goku - 48,000 , SS - 1,200,000 , Piccolo's energy - 40,000 , KK x100 - 4,000,000

Cooler's arrival:

Spoiler:

Goku - 6,000,000 , KKx10 KHH - 75,000,000 , SS - 150,000,000
Cooler - 5,000,000 , 5th form - 120,000,000
Piccolo - 2,500,000
Salza - 2,000,000

(meta cooler is too weird)

Super 13:

Spoiler:

SS goku - 150,000,000
SS vegeta / trunks - 130,000,000
Piccolo - 120,000,000
#14 - 100,000,000
#15 - 110,000,000
#13 - 150,000,000
Super 13 - 260,000,000
Base shirtless goku - 600,000,000

Legendary super saiyan:

Spoiler:

Piccolo - 450,000,000
Vegeta -420,000,000 , enraged - 520,000,000
Goku - 560,000,000 , tired - 400,000,000 , everyone but vegeta - 850,000,000 , fully charged - 1,100,000,000
Gohan - 360,000,000
Trunks - 410,000,000
Broly LSS - 900,000,000 , 990,000,000 (max power)
Krillin - 1,000,000
Roshi - 2000 (buff form)

Bojack:

Spoiler:

Trunks - 11,000,000 , SS - 550,000,000
Kogu - 15,000,000 , green - 150,000,000
Tien - 12,500,000 (WTF?)
Bojack's crew - 560,000,000 - 640,000,000 (but they have good teamwork)
Gohan - 800,000,000 , 1,600,000 (SS2)
Vegeta - 600,000,000
Piccolo - 600,000,000 (Really?)
Bojack - 800,000,000 , green - 1,000,000,000
Goku - 820,000,000

Broly again:

Spoiler:

Broly - SS 980,000,000 , LSS - 1,700,000,000 , max power - 2,000,000,000
Gohan - 660,000,000 (SS) , SS2 - 1,320,000,000
Goten - 500,000,000
Family KameHameHa - 2,500,000,000

Janemba reborn:

Spoiler:

Fat janemba - 4,800,000,000
Goku SS3 - 8,400,000,000
Vegeta (base) - 20,000,000 , SS2 - 2,000,000,000
Super janemba - 10,600,000,000 , FP - 13,000,000,000
Freeza (30%) - 36,000,000
Gohan - 60,000,000 (Z sword training complete)
Gotenks - 2,000,000,000 (SS)
Veku (Fat gogeta) - 3,000,000,000
Super Gogeta - 150,000,000,000

The wrath of goku:

Spoiler:

Gohan - 13,000,000,000
SS goku/vegeta - 8,000,000,000
SS2 goku/vegeta - 16,000,000,000
Hirdugarn - 10,000,000,000(half) ,25,000,000,000
SS3 gotenks - 30,000,000,000
SS3 goku - 64,000,000,000 , super dragon fist - 96,000,000,000
Super Hirdugarn - 75,000,000,000 (WTF ?)

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none of them are FTL , atleast before freeza transforms into his true form.

Also, solar flare was used in cell saga, so.......

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And there I thought faster than eyes = faster than light, sorry for my ignorance.

Though I remember SSJ Gotenks warming up flying around the world several times, but if I remember correctly that took some time because when he went up to fight Fat Buu the fusion ended.

he took a nap after flying around earth 5-6 times.
It took 29 minutes in total. If his nap was 28 minute long, even then he's only about 50x slower than light speed.

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What are your numbers for these guys:

Android 16: 241 million

Semi Cell [Initial]: 300 million
Semi Cell [Full power]:370 million

Vegeta [Base]: 12 million
Vegeta [Super Saiyan]: 300 million
Vegeta [Super Saiyan Grade 2]: 420 million

Trunks [Base]: 11.6 M
Trunks [Super Saiyan]: 290 M
Trunks [Super Saiyan Grade 2]: 406 M
Trunks [Super Saiyan Grade 3]: 580 M

These ^^^

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apex_predator: Don't you think you have them a bit too low ? Does Android 17/18,Yardrat Goku and the likes even fit there ? Where do you have them at ?

I have namek goku = 100 million = namek freeza (he took a lot of damage at 50%, losing 20 million isn't far fetched)

Yadrat goku - 110 M

Post trainng - 150 M (goku & vegeta)

Cell - 180 M (pre) , 240 M (post)

#18 - 185 M
#17 - 195 M
Kamiccolo - 200 M (Full power)

Perfect cell FP will be around 1100 M (I see why he wanted to go perfect)

I think since Super Saiyan form was implied to be a huge deal & everyone (including piccolo) was shocked at vegeta "I'll surpass even the super saiyan form" , the gains after going SSJ are not as big.

Edit: Don't you think #17 & #18 must be closer, & where do you have SS vegeta (the overconfident one, before ROSAT?)

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Is Base Gotenks REALLY above SSJ3 Goku? I know Piccolo says he's improved hugely bu then, later on, he's surprised that Gotenks can transform. Does this mean Piccolo is simply comparing Gotenks' base form then to what it was previously or did he really become THAT much stronger?

I think he's just above his SS self pre RoSaT, who's not necessarily stronger than fat buu, let alone SS3 goku.

Also, in both the cases, I chose to not use a multiplier, and it arbitrarily came out to be 3x for base to SS , and around 3x from SS to SS3.

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Any feedback is welcomed.

Cell Arc

Spoiler:

Cell [Imperfect form]: 270,000,000
-- After energy absorptions: 480,000,000
-- Semi-Perfect form: 675,000,000
-- Full power: 840,000,000
-- Perfect form: 1,400,000,000
-- Power weighted form: 2,100,000,000

Future Trunks: 13,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 650,000,000
-- Super Saiyan Grade 2: 975,000,000
-- Super Saiyan Grade 3: 1,625,000,000

Vegeta: 14,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 700,000,000
-- Super Saiyan Grade 2: 1,050,000,000

Artificial Human No. 16: 480,000,000

Piccolo: 320,000,000
-- Without weighted clothes: 360,000,000

Artificial Human No. 17: 360,000,000
Artificial Human No. 18: 340,000,000
Kuririn: 500,000

Cell Games Arc

Spoiler:

Son Gohan: 60,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 3,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 [Enraged]: 7,500,000,000

Cell [Perfect form]: 2,700,000,000
-- Full power: 4,800,000,000
-- Power weighted form: 6,000,000,000
-- Zenkai boost: 7,200,000,000

Son Goku: 48,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 2,400,000,000

Cell Juniors: 1,800,000,000

Vegeta: 36,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 1,800,000,000

Future Trunks: 36,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 1,800,000,000

Piccolo: 1,500,000,000
Artificial Human No. 16: 480,000,000
Kuririn: 500,000
Tenshinhan: 300,000
Yamcha: 200,000
Mister Satan: 6.66
Pirozhki: 6
Caroni: 5.75

Don't you think you have SS gohan & Perfect cell a bit too high in comparison to goku ?

Cell was legimately having fun with goku, actuslly trying hard. He didn't humiliate ihm like he did to vegeta. He was pushed up to the limit so much that he needed to use the barrier.
He did let goku eat a senzu but he believed that no one is even close to goku.

He even tells goku to eat senzu & fight AFTER gohan started to fight (even though gohan was stronger) , implying that the gap isn't that large between goku & gohan.