Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

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How much you guys think Tao improved from the last time he fought Goku to the time he was in 23rd TB?

These are my numbers:
Tao Pai Pai - 49
Cyborg Tao - 140

I reached these numbers by power-scaling everything based on the numbers given in the Raditz arc. Note that I enforce the "half power" line from Piccolo Daimao

Tao gets twice as strong as 22nd TB Goku, seems fine for a Cyborg from an already powerful warrior. The progression seems in line with the gains other characters got. Everyone except Chiaotzu and Chi-Chi would defeat him without much trouble.

Basically this, except in my lists, Organic Tao pai pai is about 80. Cyborg Tao Pai Pai would be about even with Drum, who beat Tenshinhan with no effort. Cyborg Tao is on that level, despite still being weaker than Daimao

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Thoughts?

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- Vegetto and Merged Zamasu corrupted should be closer to Beerus.
- Merged Zamasu corrupted is stronger than the one with the halo.
- Hit is not stronger than Goku. At best he's on par.
- Jiren is stronger than Beerus.
- Final Form Freeza is stronger than SSG Goku.
- Toppo is stronger than Regular SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta and Golden Freeza.
- Basil is way weaker than Boo. Unless you mean drugged Basil.
- Piccolo and Boo are stronger than the Zamasu from the present.

- They are quite close already. Plus I believe Shin has never seen Beerus at full power or nearing it.
- Vegetto's final flash weakened him to the level where genki-sword trunks could fight him evenly.
- Hit one-shot killed SSB Goku. That's good enough for me to put him this high.
- Proof? So far he is a tier above Toppo (by his own admission) and that's it.
- No he isn't. A holding back final form freeza is equal to base goku.
- Toppo is not stronger than SSB. He isn't knocking out golden freeza in one punch. He showed himself to be able to give SSB Goku a difficult fight and that's it.
- I don't think the drug amps his power all that much, but a little. Plus he should have improved a bit during the training time.
- Why do you think so? Present Zamsu was a decent match for SS2 Goku (who is >>> SS2 Gohan and > buu in base)

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- They are quite close already. Plus I believe Shin has never seen Beerus at full power or nearing it.
- Vegetto's final flash weakened him to the level where genki-sword trunks could fight him evenly.
- Hit one-shot killed SSB Goku. That's good enough for me to put him this high.
- Proof? So far he is a tier above Toppo (by his own admission) and that's it.
- No he isn't. A holding back final form freeza is equal to base goku.
- Toppo is not stronger than SSB. He isn't knocking out golden freeza in one punch. He showed himself to be able to give SSB Goku a difficult fight and that's it.
- I don't think the drug amps his power all that much, but a little. Plus he should have improved a bit during the training time.
- Why do you think so? Present Zamsu was a decent match for SS2 Goku (who is >>> SS2 Gohan and > buu in base)

- Fair enough.
- He would still be stronger before that. Why are you taking into account his weakened state?
- By that logic Sorbet is stronger than Goku. Hit only killed him because he attacked his heart without Goku even noticing.
- Whis said there is a mortal in the tournament who is stronger that Beerus. Do you honestly expect it to be anyone else other that Jiren?
- Episode 24. Kuririn confirms it.
- Goku tells Vegeta that he wasn't sure he could defeat Toppo. He's on par with SSB KKx2 Goku.
- It actually powers him a lot. Boo > drugged Basil > 18 > base Goku > Basil was confirmed in the tournament.
- Because Gohan is on par with Goku in equal forms. Piccolo owned SSJ2 Gohan so he would owned Present Zamasu.

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- I am referring to "corrupted" merged zamasu at the end here, after being massacred by vegetto. Sure he would be stronger before fighting vegetto, but at some point, his imbalance created due to such a form started to overtake his power increase and he started to get less powerful. Therefore it is hard to tell where he peaked out. His peak should be above Halo-Zamasu.
- Goku was fully anticipating hit (He even fired that ki blast to get him back to life) unlike sorbet incidence which was PIS anyways.
- He never said that mortal is in the tournament, and Beerus knew of that universe Whis was talking about (I only lost arm wrestling) but never freaked out. If that mortal was in ToP, he would've freaked out.
- Inconsistent, since Freeza was fully expecting to fight Super Saiyan Goku without going golden. Unless SSB >> 50x SSG, I cant see this happening.
- I was not sure if I could beat him even in blue means Toppo is close to Blue Goku, not KK x2 blue goku. Their fight had Goku in advantage.
- And Basil vs Napapa and Super Saiyan Caulifa vs Napapa were similar fights, probably basil did better. Unless SS caulifa is weaker than namek goku, this isn't happening. Similarly, Unamped Basil vs Buu was better fight than Dabura, Shin and Gohan vs Buu all combined, so Basil >= Dabura, Shin and SS Gohan.
- SS2 Gohan who was confirmed to be far below his buu arc self. He (Piccolo) is probably not even as strong as super buu and definitely not as strong as SS3 Gotenks. Goku was easily on fit buu level (who is >= fat buu) in base, Goku also took Piccolo's most powerful attack in base in ep 90.

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How much you guys have Piccolo in the Boo arc? He didn't improve much, right?

For me, he goes from being below a cell junior to about even with CG Goku

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Hey, Dragon Brothas. I wished to discuss something. We have this chain in the manga:

Son Goku = Piccolo Daimao ( Young ) > Piccolo Daimao ( Old ) > Piccolo Daimao 40% ( Old ) >> Son Goku = Tenshinhan > Roshi

How do you make it work with Roshi's BP given at Raditz's arrival (139)? That'd make Roshi above 50% of Tenshinhan's BoZ power. Maybe Roshi got way stronger past 22nd Budokai, and in a faster pace than the Z warriors did?

Roshi did drugs

Old daimao (full power) >= BoZ Roshi > old daimao (44%) > 23rd Roshi > Tien (original) > Roshi (22nd)

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How strong you have each of Babidi's minions?

Like others said, Babidi's henchmen represent powers of previous villains

- Spopovich: Bear thief level
- Yamu: 21 TB level
>Unknown henchmen ranging from Tao to piccolo daimao level<
Pui Pui: Nappa tier
>Unknown henchmen ranging from dodoria tier to captain ginyu<
Yakon: Stronger than suppressed Freeza but weaker than 100% Freeza
Dabura: Stronger than perfect cell but weaker than Super perfect cell
Buu: Stronger than SS2 but weaker than SS3

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Anyone interested in a DB Super power level list? I am planning to do one.

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Anyone interested in a DB Super power level list? I am planning to do one.

Yeah, I am.

Okay, here we go:

Dragon Ball Super: Power Levels

References:

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• Raditz: 1320
• 100% Freeza (if he had not been injured) = 120,000,000
• 100% Perfect Cell = 1,200,000,000
• 100% Kid buu = 12,000,000,000
• M=million
• B=billion
• T = Trillion

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Multipliers:

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• Super Saiyan* (1,2,3) = 50x, 100x, 400x base
• Potara fusion (strongest form) = varies from (A+B)x20 to (A+B)x90 depending upon compatibility and power gap
• Great ape = 10x
• Mutated (mastered) Super Saiyan 2* = 1200x base
• Super Saiyan 1,2,3 (for Goku/vegeta after discovering god ki)* = 10x, 20x, 40x

* Super Saiyan multipliers only applicable on base saiyans
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Battle of gods

[spoiler]Part 1

• Goku = 60,000,000 , 3,000,000,000 , 6,000,000,000 , 24,000,000,000
• Vegeta = 55,000,000 , 2,750,000,000 , 5,500,000,000
• Piccolo = 800,000,000
• #18 = 200,000,000
• Gohan = 20,000,000 , 20,000,000,000

Part 2

• Rageta = 66,000,000,000
• Goku (everyone's ki) = 120,000,000,000
• Super Saiyan God = 1,200,000,000,000 , 1,360,000,000,000 , 1,800,000,000,000 (max power)
• Beerus = unknown, much stronger than 2,400,000,000,000

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Revival of Freeza

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• Jaco = 260
• Roshi = 3000
• Krillin = 27,000
• Tenshinhan = 22,000
• Piccolo = 801,000,000
• Gohan (rusty) = 20 M , 1 B
• Tagoma = 900 M
• SS Gotenks (very rusty) = First form Freeza = 1.2 B
• Buu = 5 B
• Final form Freeza (suppressed) = Base Goku/vegeta = 10 B
• Super Saiyan Blue = 4 T
• Golden Freeza = 5 T, 2.2 T (exhausted)

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Universe 6 tourney

[spoiler]Part 1

• Gohan = 48 M, 2.4 B
• Piccolo = 2 B
• Buu = 5 B
• Goku = Vegeta = 10 B

Part 2

• Botamo = 2 M
• Frost = 300 M, 2 B, 7 B, 3.5 B (exhausted)
• Cabba = 600 M, 30 B
• Goku/vegeta = 11 B, 110 B, 5 T
• Hit = 6 T
• KKx10 SSB Goku = 50 T and dropping fast

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Future trunks arc

[spoiler]Part 1

• Super rusty 3 gotenks = 10.8 B
• Base Goku / vegeta = 12 B
• SSB Goku / vegeta = 7.5 T
• Future trunks = 500 M, 25 B, 50 B
• Goku Black (base) = 160 B
• Zamasu = 6 B

Part 2

• Future trunks (trained) = 3 B, 150 B, 300 B, 3.6 T (enraged)
• Goku Black = 160 B (base), 6 T (SSR, initial) , 8 T (SSR, max power)
• SSB Goku / vegeta = 7.5 T, 8 T (drawing power from rage)
• SSRage Trunks = 7.2 T, 17.2 T (spirit bomb sword)
• Zamasu = 600 B (immortal)
• Merged Zamasu = 16 T (initial) with powerful barriers around him
• KaioKen x10 SSB Goku = 60 T (weakened)
• Full power merged zamasu = (8 T + 600 B)x20 = 172 T (unstable) , 17.2 T (weakened)
• SSB Vegetto = (8 T + 8 T) x 60 = 960 T
• Beerus = 900 to 1000 T (hypothetical max power according to shin)
• Hit = 8 T

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Universal survival arc

[spoiler]Part 1

• Buu = 5 B, 6 B (enraged)
• Gohan = 40 M, 2 B
• Goku = 12 B (base), over 8 T (SSB)
• Toppo = 6.9 T (Suppressed)
• Basil = 2.8 B, 4 B (full power), 4.5 B (drugged)
• Lavender = 66 M
• Bergamo = 10 B

Part 2:

• Tenshinhan = 38,000
• Krillin = 52,000
• Roshi = 29,000
• Fit buu = 7.6 B
• Gohan = 40 M, 2 B, 4 B
• Piccolo = 8 B
• Mystic Gohan = 24 B (original power) and rising
• Mystic Gohan (post training) = 300 B, 8 B (base)
• True Golden Freeza = 9 T

Part 3:
Universe 2:

• Jimiz = 14 B

Universe 3:

• Maji Kayo = 190 B

Universe 4:

• Ganos = 9000, 18000 (transformed)
• Monna = 40 B

Universe 6:

• Dr Rota = 99999
• Botamo = 2 M
• Cabba = 640 M, 32 B, 64 B
• Kale = 40 M, 2 B
• Berserker Kale = 1 T, 1.5 T (controlled)
• Caulifla = 200 M, 10 B, 20 B, 240 B
• Frost = 10 B, 20 B (100%)
• Magetta = 140 B
• The Namekians = 8.4 B
• Hit = 10 T
• Kefla = 6.5 T, 39 T, 78 T, 156.6 T (1.740 T x 90 = 156.6 T)

Universe 7:

• Roshi = 29,000 , 55,000 (limit surpassed)
• Tien = 40,000
• Krillin = 58,000
• #18 = 300 M
• Piccolo = 8 B
• #17 = Unknown so far
• Mystic Gohan = 8 B, 300 B (full power)
• Freeza = atleast 20 B (possibly higher, 8 T (true golden Freeza)
• Vegeta = Goku = 12 B, 120 B, 240 B
• Super Saiyan God = 1.8 T
• Super Saiyan Blue = 9 T
• SSB KK Goku = 90 T (KK x10), 180 T (KK x20)
• UI Goku = Over 200 T, possibly 440 T
• Heavily tired SSB Goku = 5 T, 22 T (SSBKK)

Universe 9

• Basil = 6 B
• Trio-de-dangers combo = 20 B

Universe 10

• Obuni = 36 B
• Napapa = 4 B

Universe 11

• Toppo = 8.88 T
• Jiren = Over 200 T, possibly over 500 T
• Belmod = Somewhere between 200 T and 440 T

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I call it...The Kewi Theory. A form of determining battle powers based on the six thousand point gap between Kewi (18,000) and Vegeta (24,000) when the former was effortlessly killed by the latter. It's not perfect, but the intended effect is to reduce the gross inflation in numbers. As a result, The Kewi Theory also ignores the so-called 'power multipliers' of transformations, as those were never specified in the comic as it is. Without further ado, The Kewi Theory:

i like that

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Can someone give me there king piccolo and 23rd budokai power levels. Curious to aee how people compare them to the boz and Raditz fight.

I did make a list, which was pretty coherent for the entire series.

Here's a bunch of numbers:

King Piccolo

Roshi = 106
Tien = Goku = Yajirobe = 118
Tambourine = 96
King Piccolo (old, suppressed) = 145
King Piccolo (young) = 200
Drum = 132
Goku (post god water) = 205
Mr Popo = 250
Kami = 300 (suppressed)

23rd TB

Roshi = 118
Tien = 230
Shen = 300
Yamcha = 185
Krillin = 195
Kami (full power) = 500
Goku (Full power) = 750
Piccolo (full power) = 740, giant = 800

Raditz:

Roshi = 139 (manga)
Krillin = 206 (manga)
Tien = 250 (manga)
Yamcha = 177 (manga)
Goku = 924 (manga)

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Regarding Dabura - is everyone going to forget that he was beating up a post Z sword training SS Trunks and shin at the same time? And even after Trunks achieved SS2, it took a team effort to defeat him?

To me it makes everything clear that Gohan was meant to be SS2.

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Regarding Dabura - is everyone going to forget that he was beating up a post Z sword training SS Trunks and shin at the same time? And even after Trunks achieved SS2, it took a team effort to defeat him?

To me it makes everything clear that Gohan was meant to be SS2.

All it really shows is the same thing that the original manga did — that a Super Saiyan 1 struggles against Dabra while a Super Saiyan 2 can beat him

A post Z sword training Super Saiyan Trunks should be stronger than a pre Z-sword training Gohan, and him and shin combined were losing to Dabura. And Super Saiyan 2 struggled to beat him.

(especially since Toyotaro knows how to draw SS2 distinctly from SS1, just like Toriyama did). Beyond that, nothing's concrete because we don't know exactly how Trunks and Future-Dabra compare in power to Gohan and Past-Dabra.

Why would past and future dabra would be any different? And post Z sword training Trunks should be a lot stronger than pre Z-sword training Gohan. Remember how Gohan got a lot stronger in a few hours by Z sword training? trunks very likely trained for longer

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Given the canon BoZ numbers of:
- Goku (FP) 924
- Farmer 5
- Tenshinhan 250
- Krillin 206
- Yamcha 177

how would you place the following characters?

• Nam
• King Chappa (both appearances, separately)
• Pamput
• Tao Pai Pai (human)
• Grandpa Gohan, Mummy and Akkuman
• Yajirobe (first appearance)

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Given the canon BoZ numbers of:
- Goku (FP) 924
- Farmer 5
- Tenshinhan 250
- Krillin 206
- Yamcha 177

how would you place the following characters?

• Nam
• King Chappa (both appearances, separately)
• Pamput
• Tao Pai Pai (human)
• Grandpa Gohan, Mummy and Akkuman
• Yajirobe (first appearance)

Wasn't there a power level list for DB? I always thought it to be official, maybe it's not but I think it works

- Nam 70
- Chappa 91 /108
- Pamput 62
- Tao Pai Pai 120
- Gohan 123
- Mummy 75
- Akuman 106
- Yajirobe 87

iirc the only "official" number in DB is Goku's 10 - which is still a bit sketchy for me but it's kinda ok. No way are these official.

Anyways, the order is interesting, except Yajirobe, which is clearly way off.
Yajirobe shouldn't be below any of them, let alone almost all of them. Tao wasn't even a threat to Goku 3 years back, while Yajirobe matched post 22nd TB Goku, who said he hasn't fought anyone as tough as him (after fighting tien. let alone tao). He easily took care of chappa while heavily holding back, while didn't do anything to Yajirobe, who also seemed as fast as Goku.

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Messing around a little bit. How about "what if battle powers were introduced at the beginning of the story and didn't need large leaps to be overwhelming?" Let's assume that 1.3x stronger is enough to overwhelm an enemy, like Vegeta (24,000) did to Kewi (18,000)!

The Hunt for the Dragon Balls:

Average Human: 5
Son Gokuu (6.5): Enough to overwhelm a normal human!
Yamcha (6.4): A little weaker than Gokuu, but he makes up for it with his wits!
Muten Roushi (10): An arbitrary and round number.

Twenty-First Tenka'ichi Budoukai:

Son Gokuu (9): Had the Muten Roushi not been exhausted by the Oozaru incident I think we would have seen a more decisive decision in his favor.
Kuririn (8): Decisively below Gokuu by a notch but still impressive compared to the old Gokuu.
Yamcha (8): he's probably on the same level as Kuririn, you think?
Muten Roushi (10): I don't think he did any training for this tournament?

Red Ribbon Army:

Son Gokuu (10): I'm betting that by the time Gokuu had fought his way through to Tao Pai-Pai his power had grown exponentially.
Tao Pai-Pai (13): Damn, he nearly killed Gokuu!
Son Gokuu (16.9): Damn, he nearly killed Tao Pai-Pai!
Mira-kun (13):
Akkuman (14):
Son Gohan (22.1):

Twenty-Second Tenka'ichi Budoukai:

Son Gokuu (26): For the heck of it, we'll say Gokuu is now above Grandpa Gohan by a little bit.
Kuririn (20): At least above Gokuu's power from three years ago.
Tenshinhan (25.9): Maybe a hair less than Gokuu but makes up for it with technique and experience.
Muten Roushi (22): Technically, we didn't see his full power! This is just an idea of where he was hiding back, in my view.

Piccolo Daimaou no Fukkatsu:

Tambourine (25): I assume Gokuu could have eeked out a win if he had been at full health.
Cymbal (32.5): Built to be stronger than Tambourine.
Son Gokuu (42.25): Definitely stronger than Cymbal by a fair deal.
Piccolo Daimaou (54.9): I mean, even as an old man he beat the shit out of Gokuu.
Tenshinhan (43): Let's assume that he became stronger than Gokuu while training for the MaFuu-Ba.
Drum (55.9): He really beat the shit out of Tenshinhan.
Son Gokuu (72.67): Poor Drum never saw it coming.
Picxolo Daimaou (71): Bastard had to play dorty to win.

Okay, I'm tired.

Cool concept, though I'd like to recommend some changes based on some factors.

DB Hunt:
Avg Human - 5
Extremely strong human - 6.5
A superlarge swordfighting bear - 7.5
Goku - 10
Yamcha - 9
Gyumao (implied that even thinking about fighting him is futile) - 17

Before training with Roshi

Goku - 10
Krillin - 8 (goku beat him up easily)
Roshi - More than 17

21 TB

Yamcha - 13 (trained to get much stronger)
Oorin Temple bullies - 12 for #1 guy (Krillin thought he had no chance even after all training)
Krillin - 15.5 (close to Gyumao)
Goku - 16 (without tail), 17 (tail)
Gilan - 15
Nam - 16
Roshi - 19.5 (didnt even need to touch Yamcha, held back till moonbuster KHH)

RRA

Krillin - 15.5
Gen Blue = 17 (beat him up)
Goku - 18.5 (beat him up)
Tao - 24 (nearly killed him)
Goku post Karin - 27 (Tao did ok against him but Goku still wrecked him)
Karin - 28+

Baba arc

Yamcha = 13.5
Krillin - 15.5
Mummy - 17.5 (stomped Yamcha, Roshi respected his power)
Akkuman - 20 (thought he could beat someone stronger than mummy) - Goku very easily beat him up
Gohan - 21 (considered himself helpless against tailless Goku)
GOku 27 (tail), 25.5 (tailless)
Rshi 19.5

22 TB

Krillin (thought he could beat Goku) - 25
Yamcha (close to krillin) - 24
Goku (match lvl against krillin) - 32.5
Ten - 33
Goku (FP) - 33.5
Roshi - around 29

Piccolo saga:

Yajirobe = 35
Goku - 35
Karin = 34
Tambourine - 28 (goku easily killed him after healing, but before that easily lost)
Cmbal - 14 (explicitly stated to be many times weaker than tambourine)
Piccolo = 90 (beat Goku at less than half his power, very easily)
Piccolo young - 150 (stated that there is no comparison between old and young state of his)
Tenshinhan - 36 - trained with mafuba
Drum - stomped ten - 47
Goku - 150 (equal to piccolo)

Gods:

Goku - 151 (zenkai)
Popo - 200 (stomped Goku)
God - "far far more incredible" than popo - 400 (I'm doubling)
Pic Jr - 180 (much stronger than before)

23rd TB

Chaozu - 36 (stronger than Karin)
Cyborg Tao - 47 (stomped Chaozu)
Ten - 185 (could have mid-diffed Piccolo sr)
Krillin - 160 (could follow battle on piccolo sr level with ease)
Yamcha - 155 (same as above)
God - trained himself - 450
Piccolo - could've stomped God and all others while injured and drained - 750
Goku - 760
Roshi - maybe 100??

Raditz saga:

Roshi 139
Krillin 206
Yamcha 177
Tien 250
Goku 924 (given)
Picolo - 910 (a bit below goku)
Raditz - 1320 - stomped both together

Vegeta Saga:

Saibaman - 1200
Yamcha - beat one comfortably not a stomp - 1380
Krillin - One shotted 3 of them. barely missed fourth - 2000
Ten - 2050 = strongest human
Piccolo - Much stronger than Krillin to the point of being fearsome to him - 2400
Goku - 8001
Nappa - ???
Vegeta 18000

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Piccolo's 3,500 figure is utterly and completely false however, so i advise against trusting it @Steven Bloodriver

[Ash57]

Piccolo's 3,500 figure is utterly and completely false however, so i advise against trusting it @Steven Bloodriver

How can you easily dismiss official numbers like that? It's one thing to not accept it into your own headcannon, but imposing your opinion on others for no reason is just terrible.
There is nothing contradicting the power levels stated in the Daizenshuu.
It's already been established that battle powers don't scale linearly.
As seen by Kiwi, Dodoria and Zarbon's fights against Vegeta, a difference of even a 1,000 BP matters a lot, even when the combatants are in the 20k range.
So, it makes sense that a difference of 500 would be A LOT.
Also, Battle power isn't everything. Nappa was extremely durable.

There is nothing, except a direct statement from Piccolo himself debunking the 3,500 figure completely. And "official numbers" doesn't mean "canon members". If it's not in the manga, then we don't have to accept it. That's something everyone can assert.

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Piccolo's not a fortune-teller. Him claiming Gohan's power can/will surpass his own is a guess based on what he's seen from Gohan in the past. It does not guarantee that such a thing will happen, nothing in the manga confirms that it does, and the official numbers tell us it didn't.

For all Gohan's anger, his 2,800 blast only managed to sting Nappa's hand a bit. Whereas even though it was by surprise, Piccolo managed to actually hurt and cause visible damage to Nappa at least once (with the blast to his back). The official numbers reflect as much as the manga showed; that neither Gohan or Piccolo measured up to Nappa, but Piccolo's best output still affected Nappa more than Gohan's did.

If you're the type who wants to take mere expectations as future-predicting fact, even when reputable sources say it didn't work out that way, then go ahead and give Piccolo some other number in your own lists or something. But from a factual standpoint, his 3,500 figure is nowhere near "utterly and completely false" or "debunked."

Your second paragraph explains everything you've said. Piccolo caught Nappa off-guard. You're treating the so-called "official numbers" like they come from a better authority than what the manga tells us, which is clearly not the case because Weekly Jump is nowhere near the manga in authority. There was no reason for Toriyama to try and deceive his audience to think Enraged Gohan was stronger than Piccolo if that wasn't the case.

Gohan > Piccolo
It's a manga fact

[Ash57]

Gohan > Piccolo
It's a manga fact

There is no thing such as "fact" in the manga.
If the Daizenshuu or Weekly Shonen Jump contradicts the manga, you could either just disregard one source OR you could try to find a loophole around whatever was stated.

Gohan's base power may have shot up due to his anger, higher than Piccolo's even. But due to his lack of skill with Ki Blasts, he was unable to make full use of his power. Piccolo on the other hand, had a greater maximum output because of his experience with Ki. He knew the Bakurikimaha, the Makankosappo, so we can assume that whatever attack he used against Nappa would be pretty deadly as well. His base power had been surpassed but not his maximum output.

My numbers:
Piccolo= 2,000
Piccolo (Ki blast against Nappa)= 3,500
Gohan= 2,240
Gohan (Angry Masenko)= 2,800

What do you think?

That is what i have as well