Dragon Box to include BOTH dub tracks?

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:04 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Sorry, but all of this arguing is just making me REALLY bitter.

It's because you have emotional attachment to the dub music. I like DBZ, but I have no strong attachment to it. I want to enjoy these sets with the best quality possible. More dub tracks can possibly mess up the video quality. Why is that so hard to understand?

verto wrote:Using this logic, why is the Japanese score so important?

It's the score of the show.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:05 pm

I'm not going either way on this: but why is it okay for people to b*tch about it but not alrightr to gloat?

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:05 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:You know what? Now I just want the dub track to be on there just because it's presence will piss off those who think it shouldn't be there.
That's borderline trolling, and you know it. It's fine if the news makes you happy, but quit gloating and watch your antagonistic attitude.

Yeah, I agree. Isn't that the type of thing you complained about, jjgp1112, when the others gloated about the dub music not being included?

verto · Post by **verto** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:08 pm

Raki wrote:It's the score of the show.

With your logic of "it sells either way" it really doesn't matter. And to me, the dub music is the music of the show.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:08 pm

It's just a tired ass subject with me now that I get frustrated too easily talking about it. I thought a final verdict of it's inclusion would STOP these stupid arguments. Instead, it exacerbated them, and sorry if I'm frustrated/bitter about it. This is starting to get really silly at this point.

isucamper · Post by **isucamper** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:10 pm

Majin. Thanks! I've been wanting to see a snap like that for months now.

Well, it's safe to say that, after looking at that, we aren't going to be getting the same video quality that is on the Japanese discs. Not if they are going to stuff an additional episode on there.

That being said, the amount of quality we will lose from a second english track is going to be a drop in the bucket by comparison. I think this particular arguement is fruitless at this point.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:10 pm

How many episodes per disc did the season sets have? And how much space did that take up?

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:11 pm

Amigo Ten wrote:How many episodes per disc did the season sets have? And how much space did that take up?

Most of them had 6 episode per disc, but the first 3 discs of Season 9 had 7 eps. and they looked fantastic.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:13 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:It's just a tired ass subject with me now that I get frustrated too easily talking about it. I thought a final verdict of it's inclusion would STOP these stupid arguments. Instead, it exacerbated them, and sorry if I'm frustrated/bitter about it. This is starting to get really silly at this point.

It isn't but two people setting off the threads and turning them in "wars". We are talking about one thing and you guys are bringing up other shit.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:13 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:It's just a tired ass subject with me now that I get frustrated too easily talking about it. I thought a final verdict of it's inclusion would STOP these stupid arguments. Instead, it exacerbated them, and sorry if I'm frustrated/bitter about it. This is starting to get really silly at this point.

If you're that annoyed, you should just ignore the discussion. Also, how did you think whooping and cheering "After all of the shitstorms recently, I feel like laughing uncontrollably" would END an argument? It's flame bating at it's finest.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:14 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Raki wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:You know what? Now I just want the dub track to be on there just because it's presence will piss off those who think it shouldn't be there.
What purpose does that serve? If these sets and the show at large sell no matter the score, why is the dub score important? So important that it risks lowering the visual quality of these sets?
For the love of god. Before you claim one additional 2.0 Audio track will damage the quality of the picture, why don't you give some sort of proof.

Raki said "risks," which doesn't definitively mean it will. It just means it is possible that it will be a detriment to the quality. After all, we were already talking about 6 episodes originally per disc from the Japanese releases being changed to 7 episodes a disc and the addition of another audio track. Add yet another audio track and yes, especially given FUNimation's prior efforts, there is a risk of the picture quality suffering.

-Corey

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:14 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:@jj - Thats one of the reasons I want it as well.

Id rather hear no music in the show than flutes and woodwinds and orchestra during my DBZ battles.

You've never seen a single Kung Fu movie have you? That's what the score is more or less mimicking, the music to Dragon Ball is one of the big things that makes it Dragon Ball.

I'm doubting the legitimacy of this, I doubt the US score will ever come back to Dragon Ball Z now.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:15 pm

verto wrote:
Raki wrote:It's the score of the show.
With your logic of "it sells either way" it really doesn't matter. And to me, the dub music is the music of the show.

I'm saying that the VISUALS are what sell the show. Oddly enough, we want the visuals to be great for this set. The dub score is just background music. You could have Mega Man music and DBZ would have sold like crack in the USA.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:16 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:It's just a tired ass subject with me now that I get frustrated too easily talking about it. I thought a final verdict of it's inclusion would STOP these stupid arguments. Instead, it exacerbated them, and sorry if I'm frustrated/bitter about it. This is starting to get really silly at this point.

The selling point of the Dragon Box isn't that it has the Japanese dub and score. The season sets had those too. It's the picture and sound quality, and the extras. If either of those things are compromised (in this case to cater to the people who aren't the target audience for this release), then people have a legitimate reason to be concerned.

I don't see why you're getting worked up about that.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:16 pm

Yes I have seen Kung Fu movies...and I prefer the way the Dub music was handled with everyones theme music and the background music.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:17 pm

isucamper wrote:Majin. Thanks! I've been wanting to see a snap like that for months now.

Well, it's safe to say that, after looking at that, we aren't going to be getting the same video quality that is on the Japanese discs. Not if they are going to stuff an additional episode on there.

That being said, the amount of quality we will lose from a second english track is going to be a drop in the bucket by comparison. I think this particular arguement is fruitless at this point.

It'll effect the quality. In numbers, maybe. But visually the difference might be surprisingly unnoticeable. Especially if FUNimation handles it right. If you're really in the know about this stuff, you will see a difference. But I wouldn't be surprised if Toei kept the bitrate needlessly high just for security.

What I really want is for FUNimation to up the disc count. If only to shut people the hell up.

Also, I agree with your last statement.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:18 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:Yes I have seen Kung Fu movies...and I prefer the way the Dub music was handled with everyones theme music and the background music.

Same here. Everything just fit better to me.

Son Wukong · Post by **Son Wukong** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:18 pm

W-why? No seriously, why the American dub and the Japanese music? Do people actually listen to that?

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:18 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Amigo Ten wrote:How many episodes per disc did the season sets have? And how much space did that take up?
Most of them had 6 episode per disc, but the first 3 discs of Season 9 had 7 eps. and they looked fantastic.

The sound quality of the Japanese score was pretty bad on the season sets though wasn't it? And I assume the cropped animation would take up less space...?

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:19 pm

Son Wukong wrote:W-why? No seriously, why the American dub and the Japanese music? Do people actually listen to that?

Yes, I do. When it comes to the dub, there's no other way to watch the first third of the show. Especially if you're transitioning from Dragon Ball to Dragon Ball Z. The rest of it I'll take either or, but the dub music is especially awful in the Saiyan/Namek/Freeza saga.