Ocean dub vs Funi Dub

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:14 pm

Will have to say, if seasons 1 and 2 weren't so edited think the villains could've came across as more evil? Was thinking that because remember when they're waiting for Goku, with the first dub, Vegeta says to Nappa about having him join them, while in the redub he speaks of punishing the traitor.

cZ33 · Post by **cZ33** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:06 am

OutlawTorn wrote:
SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:Wow, everyone here gets on Funimations case for being a poor dub, but imagine what would of happened if Ocean and AB kept working with Dragonball.
They did, actually, though it was Blue Water instead of Ocean (though they are technically the same, except Ocean is BC while Blue Water is Alberta) doing the dubbing for both Dragon Ball and GT. I didn't see enough of either to be able to comment on them, though I have seen the FUNimation dub of GT and with the season sets, I can do the same with Dragon Ball.

I definitely prefer the vocal consistency provided by FUNimation.

I've caught a few episodes of Blue Water dubbed GT. It retained the original JBGM and had pretty accurate scripts. These are its only merits, though. The majority of the cast was either miscast or simply did a poor voice over job. Zoe Slusar's kid Goku was just as grating to the ears as Nadolny's. On the other hand, Matthew Erickson's Trunks as well as Caitlynne Medrek's Pan were actually quite good and were the best things going for this dub. Its worth noting, though, that Blue Water studios is essentially where the 'lesser' talent of the Ocean Group resides (i.e. either new actors or weaker ones).

penguintruth wrote:I've maintained that Kelamis was more laid back and cheerful sounding, which I felt sounded almost Nozawa-esque, but still remaining masculine. Sean Schemmel always sounded to me like he was doing a Corlett impression, and I found Corlett to be too rigid and sounded too much like you say Kelamis sounded, like a Saturday Morning cartoon superhero.

Corlett's Goku also came across as laid back, cheerful and positive although he did seem a little more 'muted' or, rigid, as you put it. I've always thought that Kelamis was the only English dub actor to actually "get" Goku (although I do love Corlett's performance as well). I think his highest point was towards the end of Season 2 - he really just seemed to understand the nuances of the character very well. However, when he returned for the 108-276 dub, his performance declined IMO. He started playing the character way over the top (akin to Schemmel's interpretation) and really didn't seem to be feeling it like he used to. Of course, it would've been nice had he completed the series as Kirby Morrow certainly wasn't a fitting replacement.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:39 am

cZ33 wrote:I've caught a few episodes of Blue Water dubbed GT. It retained the original JBGM and had pretty accurate scripts. These are its only merits.

The FUNi dub has the original music(now), and the scripts are a bit more accurate; the Blue Water dub had characters spouting off cheesy one-liners, in addition to added dialogue from what I've seen.

When Omega Shenron impaled and electrocuted Vegeta, he said something along the lines of "Shocking, isn't it?" with Vegeta responding with "I get your point..."

FUNi's GT dub never got that bad... That's Z Season 3 bad! FUNi's dubbed opening is also far more accurate than Blue Water's.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:49 am

cZ33 wrote: Corlett's Goku also came across as laid back, cheerful and positive although he did seem a little more 'muted' or, rigid, as you put it. I've always thought that Kelamis was the only English dub actor to actually "get" Goku (although I do love Corlett's performance as well). I think his highest point was towards the end of Season 2 - he really just seemed to understand the nuances of the character very well. However, when he returned for the 108-276 dub, his performance declined IMO. He started playing the character way over the top (akin to Schemmel's interpretation) and really didn't seem to be feeling it like he used to. Of course, it would've been nice had he completed the series as Kirby Morrow certainly wasn't a fitting replacement.

Like I've said before, I've only seen clips of the later Ocean dub, and assumed they got better, based on a few decent scenes. You would probably know more about it than I would.

And yeah, Kirby Morrow wasn't really right for the role. I still have a lot of respect for him for some of his other performances, though.

Metalwario64 wrote:
cZ33 wrote:I've caught a few episodes of Blue Water dubbed GT. It retained the original JBGM and had pretty accurate scripts. These are its only merits.
The FUNi dub has the original music(now), and the scripts are a bit more accurate; the Blue Water dub had characters spouting off cheesy one-liners, in addition to added dialogue from what I've seen.

When Omega Shenron impaled and electrocuted Vegeta, he said something along the lines of "Shocking, isn't it?" with Vegeta responding with "I get your point..."

FUNi's GT dub never got that bad... That's Z Season 3 bad! FUNi's dubbed opening is also far more accurate than Blue Water's.

Not much can be expected from Blue Water, they're one of the worst dubbing groups in the industry. Their Zeta Gundam dub was painfully wooden sounding.

Jurik · Post by **Jurik** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:54 am

I'm not fan of Funi's dub, but is much better than Ocean's.

Ocean's sound like made by fans, and Funimation dub is really professional

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:30 am

Jurik wrote:I'm not fan of Funi's dub, but is much better than Ocean's.

Ocean's sound like made by fans, and Funimation dub is really professional

If by "professional", you mean, "continuing to replace large tracts of dialogue with made up nonsense, ponderous 'jokes', and different character motivations and continuing to replace the original score with burnt out techno-rock", then yes, Funimation's in-house dub is really professional.

Jurik · Post by **Jurik** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:58 am

penguintruth wrote:
Jurik wrote:I'm not fan of Funi's dub, but is much better than Ocean's.

Ocean's sound like made by fans, and Funimation dub is really professional
If by "professional", you mean, "continuing to replace large tracts of dialogue with made up nonsense, ponderous 'jokes', and different character motivations and continuing to replace the original score with burnt out techno-rock", then yes, Funimation's in-house dub is really professional.

Ha ha ha, I mean that the voices sound more realistic than in the ocean dub.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:16 am

Jurik wrote:
penguintruth wrote:
Jurik wrote:I'm not fan of Funi's dub, but is much better than Ocean's.

Ocean's sound like made by fans, and Funimation dub is really professional
If by "professional", you mean, "continuing to replace large tracts of dialogue with made up nonsense, ponderous 'jokes', and different character motivations and continuing to replace the original score with burnt out techno-rock", then yes, Funimation's in-house dub is really professional.
Ha ha ha, I mean that the voices sound more realistic than in the ocean dub.

I could still argue against that, but I've been a broken record as it is.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:52 am

I think that in the beginning, the Ocean dub actually sounded more natural. But for some reason, their later stuff seems very rushed and just overall unpleasant. The few voice actors who did stick around are great, but I don't think there was one new voice actor (new from the Saiyan/Namek Sagas I mean) except for Goku's voice (sounded a lot like Ian James Corlett, who is my favorite dub Goku followed closely by Sean Shemmel) that I liked. They seemed extremely rushed and uncaring about their lines. FUNimation dubbed the series relatively quickly. When you think about it, it only took them a couple of years to cap off Z. They started off extremely shakey, but got the hang of it by the "Garlic Jr." Saga I think. FUNimation's voice casting was just...more into it lol That's as best as I can say. And the music, as passionately hated as it may be by some, at least does not sound like 1980s video game music, which is the vibe I got from the Ocean dub's version. FUNimation did a good job (in terms of dubbing delivery, not speaking of dialog or anything like that) with the movies, GT, and Dragon Ball. Then when they went back and did Ultimate Uncut, unfortunately, it sounded like they were bored of the roles already (except maybe Chris Sabat) and were rushed and not very emotional with their lines...and the music was so much worse than Bruce Faulconner's...not quite as bad as GT music.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:57 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:at least does not sound like 1980s video game music,

That's because the later Ocean Group dub actually uses music from the Mega Man cartoon.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:02 am

I know. That's not a defense though really.

Levlik · Post by **Levlik** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:36 pm

Jurik wrote:I'm not fan of Funi's dub, but is much better than Ocean's.

Ocean's sound like made by fans, and Funimation dub is really professional

It's the other way around. Most Ocean actors have been voice acting in various cartoons and anime dubs for decades; you've definitely heard plenty of their voices before in other shows.

FUNimation actors were literally just off the street local people who before DBZ have never had ANY experience with voice acting.

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:13 pm

penguintruth wrote:
Jurik wrote:I'm not fan of Funi's dub, but is much better than Ocean's.

Ocean's sound like made by fans, and Funimation dub is really professional
If by "professional", you mean, "continuing to replace large tracts of dialogue with made up nonsense, ponderous 'jokes', and different character motivations and continuing to replace the original score with burnt out techno-rock", then yes, Funimation's in-house dub is really professional.

They have grown quiet a bit compared to how you describe them. Outside of the Freeza and early Cell saga the Jokes kind of disappeared and they stuck to the script for the most part. That is if you ignore the "H" word(which they fixed in the uncut video releases). They also "patched" the music problem by making the original soundtrack available during the brick and Dragonbox releases.

Not going to lie when they started they were weak, but again, they were taken off the streets. But damn you look at what the did and what they are doing and BOY HAVE THEY GROWN. The best way to see how far they grown is look at their most recent work with Dragonball(Burst Limit), the voice acting was amazing.

Ocean was a professional company but outside of a few people(Ccorlett and McNeil) the voices didn't really feel right. I know its my opinion but its bad when I can't watch a full episode because of Trunk's and Vegeta's voice drive me crazy.

cZ33 · Post by **cZ33** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:39 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
cZ33 wrote:I've caught a few episodes of Blue Water dubbed GT. It retained the original JBGM and had pretty accurate scripts. These are its only merits.
The FUNi dub has the original music(now), and the scripts are a bit more accurate; the Blue Water dub had characters spouting off cheesy one-liners, in addition to added dialogue from what I've seen.

When Omega Shenron impaled and electrocuted Vegeta, he said something along the lines of "Shocking, isn't it?" with Vegeta responding with "I get your point..."

FUNi's GT dub never got that bad... That's Z Season 3 bad! FUNi's dubbed opening is also far more accurate than Blue Water's.

You're absolutely right. Nowadays FUNi GT is pretty much the only way to go in terms of an English dub. I should've made the point, though, that Blue Water GT did all these things (retain JBGM, dub the Japanese opening, somewhat more accurate scripts) long before FUNi GT did.

TheGreatness25 wrote:I think that in the beginning, the Ocean dub actually sounded more natural. But for some reason, their later stuff seems very rushed and just overall unpleasant.

That's because their later stuff was rushed. From what i've gathered, the powers that be (whomever that may be) had to get the Ocean actors back in the studio, and fast, as international viewers were becoming increasingly frustrated with FUNimation's new in-house cast (come Season 3). This and the fact that they went through upwards of 5 directors (likely more) who each did things in their own way really kind of explains the rushed and overall unpleasant feel of the 108-276 dub. Its not until the Fusion/Kid Buu sagas that the Ocean actors come back to and really hit their stride again. Of course, some actors delivered solid, consistent performances all the way through (namely Scott McNeil's Piccolo), however, others noticeably faltered (i.e. Brian Drummond's Vegeta). As I said, its not until the Buu arc that Drummond really starts to pick up again. Kirby Morrow, as Goku, was mediocre from beginning-to-end (although I do like him as an actor in other roles).

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:47 pm

cZ33 wrote: Kirby Morrow, as Goku, was mediocre from beginning-to-end (although I do like him as an actor in other roles).

I feel this way about most of the ocean cast for DBZ. Morrow makes for an excellent Scott from X-men Evolution, Drummond makes a perfect Ryuk and Swaile did a great Light and Amuro. However, when it comes to Dragonball their roles were just mediocre.

saiyangerl · Post by **saiyangerl** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:33 pm

Just wondering if it's just me, but in the Funi dub at the end of DBZ and in GT does Videl's voice change? It sounds like it could be the same voice actor but she possibly changed the voice a little since Videl got older? Just a small thing I was wondering about...

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:52 pm

saiyangerl wrote:Just wondering if it's just me, but in the Funi dub at the end of DBZ and in GT does Videl's voice change? It sounds like it could be the same voice actor but she possibly changed the voice a little since Videl got older? Just a small thing I was wondering about...

It's--sadly--a different voice actor. I'm not sure if Edwards just wasn't available or not, or if Watson wanted someone new.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:54 pm

It's Barry Watson - Who knows what the fuck he was thinking.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:35 pm

For the record, not the same guy from that 7th Heaven show right? lol I never really did my research for that because...didn't really care too much, but since we're on the subject...

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:37 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:For the record, not the same guy from that 7th Heaven show right? lol I never really did my research for that because...didn't really care too much, but since we're on the subject...

Nope, different guy. The guy in the second video on the 'Fan Stuff' page is the guy so many demonize.

http://dragonballgt.com/?page=what