Any Episodes/Movies/Specials you can't watch?

[Perfect]

I never mentioned nitpicking in my post, I merely branched off from being picky, though my thoughts were much more diverted into animation and artwork, etc. I don't know how you can call them "lazy", Japanese animators work like slaves and Last House was running on very few people when their episodes starting to dip in quality. So lazy really isn't the word. I've seen plenty of 60s-90s cartoons, Dragon Ball is pretty standard when it comes to incredibly long running traditionally animated series. I mean when Toei animated The Transformers, the animation and artwork in the very beginning was just appalling. They cleaned up their act eventually though, seeing that it wasn't anywhere near as long running as their other cartoons. They actually made a revised show from it titled "Generation 2", which had a lot of effort put into remastering and revising the series, just like what Kai is.

Lazy would work you know, if they were being lazy and not pelted with deadlines, losses of workers, etc. Not every episode reuses cels or tried to give the illusion of new clips through that. Those were mainly done when there was low hands on deck and had to meet deadlines, again, not many series can own up to being weekly animated with rotating studios while at the same time being traditionally animated like Dragon Ball can. You're not giving it the credit it's worth. If you wanna see "bad" animation, go watch Pokemon or Sailor Z and the 7 balls.

[AgitoZ]

I never mentioned nitpicking in my post, I merely branched off from being picky, though my thoughts were much more diverted into animation and artwork, etc.

But that's what you originally were agreeing with Attitudefan on.

I don't know how you can call them "lazy", Japanese animators work like slaves and Last House was running on very few people when their episodes starting to dip in quality. So lazy really isn't the word. I've seen plenty of 60s-90s cartoons, Dragon Ball is pretty standard when it comes to incredibly long running traditionally animated series. I mean when Toei animated The Transformers, the animation and artwork in the very beginning was just appalling. They cleaned up their act eventually though, seeing that it wasn't anywhere near as long running as their other cartoons. They actually made a revised show from it titled "Generation 2", which had a lot of effort put into remastering and revising the series, just like what Kai is.

I never once called the animators themselves lazy. In fact I would call them clever for actually making us think those characters actually moved as fast or fight as powerfully as they did in the comic. But it's under the illusions of speed lines, looping animation, and other shortcuts that make the animation lazy.

If you wanna see "bad" animation, go watch Pokemon or Sailor Z and the 7 balls.

Only one of those I've seen and that's Pokemon. Which also is a weekly series so I don't know why you would use that example, many problems I have with DBZ I see in there too.

[Perfect]

I'm quite aware, but notice I wasn't making a direct comment afterwards specifying about that, whereas I was talking more so about animation and artwork. :p

Oh I see what you're saying, but that's not every episode, certainly a portion, but not all. Last House would probably be the worst offender for this type of animation. They did key animation in 69 episodes, and out of those 69, I'd say only about half are bad in that aspect. Studio Cockpit only did 18 episodes in that respect, which I'm rather disappointed to see, but they really did the illusion stuff well. It's one of the reasons the final portion of Goku vs Cell was so thrilling in my opinion.

I brought it up because it's a weekly series. It's incredibly long running with similar attributes to DBZ, but the artwork and animation is for sure a lot lower quality almost all around when compared. The second one is a hentai film from some 16th+ party animation studio that really shows how terrible some studios can be, especially unprofessional ones. Pacing wise it also isn't bad compared to series like Bleach or Naruto, it's more or less around One Piece's bad pacing. All of which are weekly series. So it's definitely not the worst in any of those categories.

[Android 50]

yeah when people go on about DBZ having bad animation and art all the time i just go "huh? not for me." every 3 episodes you usually get an episode that has decent to good art and pretty decent or good animation. I think some of the best animated fight scenes in a cartoon come from DBZ. Goku vs Tienshinan at the 23rd Tenkachi Budokai in one episode was just....beautiful. Compared to other shows at its time that were running for years DBZ stomps them. It even stomps shows from the 2000s in terms of good artwork and animation. Naruto, Fairy Tail, Hunter X Hunter, blue exorcist, Queens Blade, Bleach and One Piece comes to mind.

[Saiyajin no Tatsujin]

Do you know what filler means? If GT is entirely original, then there's nothing to "fill" in. As in, the DB anime was adapted from the manga, but to prevent it from running ahead of the manga, they had to "fill" the time with original stuff.

Yeah. You're right. My bad. What I should've said was "GT episodes with no action". They can be very boring.

[B]

A little debate over what I said. I suppose I will elaborate.

"Poorly animated" was a catch-all term I threw out there. Z isn't the worst looking show in the world; it obviously had some form of a budget and the occasional nice-looking episode. Really, the big problem I was trying to relay was the pacing. When you're taking 25 pages of material and trying to stretch that out into 22 minutes, you're tricks begin to show. I became more aware of landscape shots and camera pans, and "face-offs" between opponents; things that one could interpret as building tension, but I saw as time-wasting. Reused animation become noticeable. Recaps of things that happened in the last ten minutes of the last episode were ridiculous. The cherry on top might be that it was all happening in arcs I wasn't terribly fond of to begin with in their original manga forms. Yes, these things are still heavy in the Buu arc, but the key difference is I really loved that storyline and it would take a whole lot more than the padding they gave it to ruin it for me. It all boils down to the simplest concept I can think of: the stories got better, so I enjoyed myself more.

As for the movies, the vast majority of them didn't leave a huge impression on me; their plotholes non-withstanding. I haven't seen Movie 9, though. I don't hate any of the movies for any reasons pertaining to their production like my rant on Z; I don't hate them at all. I nothing them. I don't remember anything that happened in Movie 2 and I've seen it three times. Perhaps it wasn't right to bring them up in this thread, as they aren't really things I "can't watch" or vowed to never watch again. If I was channel-surfing and by some miracle found any piece of Dragon Ball animation, There's an 80% chance I'd stop to watch it.

[Android 50]

Movie 9 imo was one of the best movies. You definitely need to check it out. It also feels like it can actually fit in the canon timeline too, unlike most of the movies.

[DBZ Mick]

Yeah, I agree. I saw Movie 9 for the first time in Japanese the other day and apart from a slightly rushed ending, it was quite superb.

[Gonstead]

I still consider Movie 5 canon acceptable.

[Piccolo Daimao]

To be honest, what does movie canonicity matter? Can't people just watch a movie without having to try and make it fit into the main timeline when it's clearly that that was never its purpose in the first place?

[coola]

I can`t watch any episode of Japanese Kai, where Vegeta appear, each time i hear his voice, i cry inside, its horrible, i know, its actor age, but still, how awesome he was in Z... I also cant watch orphans episode (Not space orphans in Fake Namek arc) due to fact, i hate orphanages in real life, and find them to be like prison for children

[Raykugen]

Are there any Episodes/Movies/TV Specials you can't watch due to certain reasons?

Honestly, I really can't watch The History of Trunks. It just has this really depressing atmosphere that just stops me from trying to watch it. I know that's kind of what the theme for the TV special had going for it but it's just really not enjoyable to me compared to the first time I watched it where I was just itching to watch more DBZ.

What about you?

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I think the future of trunks of this TV special, it's excessively happy because, in the series Trunks allways says "Yep, my future it's super apocalyptic", and in this TV Special you can see an amusement park and everybody it's happy... God, that destroyed all the atmosphere that the original story talks about.

[NeoKING]

Are there any Episodes/Movies/TV Specials you can't watch due to certain reasons?

Honestly, I really can't watch The History of Trunks. It just has this really depressing atmosphere that just stops me from trying to watch it. I know that's kind of what the theme for the TV special had going for it but it's just really not enjoyable to me compared to the first time I watched it where I was just itching to watch more DBZ.

What about you?

._.
I think the future of trunks of this TV special, it's excessively happy because, in the series Trunks allways says "Yep, my future it's super apocalyptic", and in this TV Special you can see an amusement park and everybody it's happy... God, that destroyed all the atmosphere that the original story talks about.

Wait, you realize that throughout that movie the entire planet was becoming more and more apocalyptic because of the Android's on-going destruction, right? By the end of that special the future is exactly as Trunks described it as: a place of no hope.

[Saiga]

To be honest, what does movie canonicity matter? Can't people just watch a movie without having to try and make it fit into the main timeline when it's clearly that that was never its purpose in the first place?

I agree - some of my favorite movies are ones that are impossible to fit into the main timeline.

[Gonstead]

I never said that the movie has to be canon acceptable for it to be enjoyable for me. I was just saying that I consider Movie 5 canon acceptable.

[AgitoZ]

I never said that the movie has to be canon acceptable for it to be enjoyable for me. I was just saying that I consider Movie 5 canon acceptable.

I don't think Daimao was specifically referring to you.

[DBZ Mick]

To be honest, what does movie canonicity matter? Can't people just watch a movie without having to try and make it fit into the main timeline when it's clearly that that was never its purpose in the first place?

I've noticed this a lot lately.

People seem to be more worried about what's canon and what's not.

[Raykugen]

Are there any Episodes/Movies/TV Specials you can't watch due to certain reasons?

Honestly, I really can't watch The History of Trunks. It just has this really depressing atmosphere that just stops me from trying to watch it. I know that's kind of what the theme for the TV special had going for it but it's just really not enjoyable to me compared to the first time I watched it where I was just itching to watch more DBZ.

What about you?

._.
I think the future of trunks of this TV special, it's excessively happy because, in the series Trunks allways says "Yep, my future it's super apocalyptic", and in this TV Special you can see an amusement park and everybody it's happy... God, that destroyed all the atmosphere that the original story talks about.

Wait, you realize that throughout that movie the entire planet was becoming more and more apocalyptic because of the Android's on-going destruction, right? By the end of that special the future is exactly as Trunks described it as: a place of no hope.

Well we all can use differents interpretations about that end...

[Bejiita]

The garlic jr saga, just doesn't work for me. I also hate those fake Namek episodes where them 2 aliens fake about the dragonballs, way too boring, a lot of the filler isn't too bad but this is waste.