Crazy Dragonball Z theories that you've heard?

[OWmyDragonBallz]

I consider Pure boo stronger than regular evil boo, but not his absorbed forms. Fight me all you want, but it's just the way I see it. I find it funny how people make up the theory When Vegeta tearing out good majin boo it's stated that his power increased and then dropped back down. XD

[Bussani]

Because he isn't. At least with Movie 12. At worst, Janemba is base Super Buu level. Goku stated he had never felt a Ki as incredible as Fat Janemba's. The same Goku...who faced Fat Buu. So right here, he already know that Fat Janemba>Fat Buu.

But wasn't Goku around when Gotenks-Buu and Gohan-Buu were doing stuff? He even almost fought with Gotenks-Buu before the kids' fusion ran out. And if you count Vegetto, he should have felt Gohan-Buu's power, too. So going by that logic, is Janemba stronger than every Buu?

[OWmyDragonBallz]

I thought pure Buu, the little one was the strongest but i think Super Buu(Gohan absorbed) was the most powerful, he says it him self also. I just think the pure Buu is more powerful because he didn't hold back.
And about Vegetto, I think he could go far into GT. Goten and Trunks could only go SSJ, but when they fuse they could go SSJ3. Vegetto could easily go SSJ3. Vegetto's base form is more powerful than Goku as SSJ3. I think he may be able to beat Bebi.

Pure Boo is like the 3rd weakest Boo as he rivals SSjin3 Goku while Evil (Super) Boo was too strong for Goku to even attempt to fight.

I think the anime is the source for people to think that Pure Boo and Goku are monsters due to the mother load of horrible filler and statements.

btw Gotenks-Boo calls himself the strongest Majin and then Gohan-Boo said he powered up even more.

It should be;

Gohan-Boo>Gotenks-Boo>SouthKaioshin-Boo>Evil Boo>>Pure Boo>Fat Boo>Pure Evil Boo>Mr Boo.

So? just because that was a form Boo took on, doesn't mean it was his power he was feeding off of. You have to remember that once vegeta tore out all the Kaioshin influence from Boo's body, it's stated that his power was increasing, there was absolutely nothing left inside Majin boo to give him that power boost, all the power he was feeding off of was none other than Pure Boo himself and the theory that his power rose then dropped back down contradicts established facts and it's illogical. This tells us that Kaioshin Influence is incompatible with Boo as it was stated by boo's backstory how the goodness of the kaioshins lowered his power through absorption, dai kaioshin just weakened him to the point where it brought him under control. Next we have Dabura and Babidi saying "there are 7 guys in all, we can't use kaioshin or Kibito's energy to revive boo" (meaning they couldn't use their ki to contribute to his revival because kais harm boo), but they could use the other fighers" next we have the potara (a kai artifact) not work with boo's candy beam which allowed vegetto to regain his strength and conscience as a piece of candy. Finally , we have Vegetto immediately separate inside Majin boo. This is simply and factually due to that Potara being Kaioshin made.

In the end, Both Goku and Vegeta underestimated Pure boo severely based on his size and Goku admits that he acted too cocky and has been trying to finish Boo off and should have used potara. It's never once stated that his power dropped back down. Japanese anime and Japanese manga both imply the same message. So to simply disregard the anime just because it doesn't follow ones interpretation, shouldn't be a way to go off of assumptions. But I am willing to accept that Evil boo (with gohan absorbed) and Evil boo (with gotenks & piccolo absorbed) are the mightiest forms of the Majin boo as it was directly stated. But strongest nonfused boo has to go with Pure boo. Which tells us that Evil boo's absorbed forms > Pure boo > Evil boo > Fat boo > Pure evil boo > good boo

[dbgtFO]

Because he isn't. At least with Movie 12. At worst, Janemba is base Super Buu level. Goku stated he had never felt a Ki as incredible as Fat Janemba's. The same Goku...who faced Fat Buu. So right here, he already know that Fat Janemba>Fat Buu.

Later on after Goku and Vegeta face Super Janemba, Goku explicitly states that he's never seen anyone as strong as Super Janemba.

So even if you wanted to say "Ssj3 Gotenks is alittle stronger or equal to Janemba/Super Buu", Ssj Gogeta stomped Janemba into the ground. And this was after Janemba had started to power up. So there is no way Ssj3 Gotenks would be superior to SsjGogeta at
all. With Movie 12 aleast.

Well "Super" Janemba being as strong as regular Super Buu is just an assumption, which the entire argument in this case seems to hinge on, so you didn't really prove anything.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Because he isn't. At least with Movie 12. At worst, Janemba is base Super Buu level. Goku stated he had never felt a Ki as incredible as Fat Janemba's. The same Goku...who faced Fat Buu. So right here, he already know that Fat Janemba>Fat Buu.

Later on after Goku and Vegeta face Super Janemba, Goku explicitly states that he's never seen anyone as strong as Super Janemba.

So even if you wanted to say "Ssj3 Gotenks is alittle stronger or equal to Janemba/Super Buu", Ssj Gogeta stomped Janemba into the ground. And this was after Janemba had started to power up. So there is no way Ssj3 Gotenks would be superior to SsjGogeta at
all. With Movie 12 aleast.

Well "Super" Janemba being as strong as regular Super Buu is just an assumption, which the entire argument in this case seems to hinge on, so you didn't really prove anything.

Movie 12 is basically what if Gohan managed to defeat regular Super boo. Goku states Janemba is the highest ki he had ever felt, and I consider His level to be around Super boo's absorbed forms.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I thought DBZ Movie #12 would be if SSj3 Goku defeated Fat Boo. But the movies aren't necessarily meant to fit into the timeline and people have different opinions on where they would go in hypothetical situations (e.g. DBZ Movie #2 happening if Piccolo didn't die against the Saiyans, or DBZ Movie #7 happening if Vegeta destroyed the Androids).

[dbgtFO]

Movie 12 is basically what if Gohan managed to defeat regular Super boo.

Which is just another assumption. I could see it as Gotenks defeating Super Buu with his Ghosts inside the Room of Spirit and Time, but that would be an assumption too. The point is we don't know what's fact about the hypothesized cut-off point and what's not.

Goku states Janemba is the highest ki he had ever felt, and I consider His level to be around Super boo's absorbed forms.

And I see Janemba as stronger than Fat Buu, but weaker than Super Buu in line with what I think the movie writers could have considered, when writing the script.

I thought DBZ Movie #12 would be if SSj3 Goku defeated Fat Boo. But the movies aren't necessarily meant to fit into the timeline and people have different opinions on where it would go in hypothetical situations.

And listen to this guy too.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Movie 12 is basically what if Gohan managed to defeat regular Super boo.

Which is just another assumption. I could see it as Gotenks defeating Super Buu with his Ghosts inside the Room of Spirit and Time, but that would be an assumption too. The point is we don't know what's fact about the hypothesized cut-off point and what's not.

Goku states Janemba is the highest ki he had ever felt, and I consider His level to be around Super boo's absorbed forms.

And I see Janemba as stronger than Fat Buu, but weaker than Super Buu in line with what I think the movie writers could have considered, when writing the script.

I thought DBZ Movie #12 would be if SSj3 Goku defeated Fat Boo. But the movies aren't necessarily meant to fit into the timeline and people have different opinions on where it would go in hypothetical situations.

And listen to this guy too.

I intended it to be my own assumption, I never said it was fact. It's how I see it as we see Gohan back on earth.

[Silkman3003]

*puts on glasses*

But wasn't Goku around when Gotenks-Buu and Gohan-Buu were doing stuff? He even almost fought with Gotenks-Buu before the kids' fusion ran out. And if you count Vegetto, he should have felt Gohan-Buu's power, too. So going by that logic, is Janemba stronger than every Buu?

No, because Goku didn't fight with Gotenks Buu, nor did he feel Gohan Buu in Movie 12. Goku was dead at that point, as was Vegeta. So if he was around when Gotenks Buu was there, or Gohan Buu was there, he would be alive. Not to mention that Goku, nor Vegeta ever once mentioned that they had used fusion before, in Movie 12. Unless you have a evidence to suggest otherwise ?

Well "Super" Janemba being as strong as regular Super Buu is just an assumption, which the entire argument in this case seems to hinge on, so you didn't really prove anything.

Yeah. Just like how Cell and Broly being around the same power is an assumption. Just like how Super 13 and android 16 being around the same power is an assumption.

Great, most Z debates are based on assumption with no way of 100% proving that one side is true or false. This is known.

I could see it as Gotenks defeating Super Buu with his Ghosts inside the Room of Spirit and Time, but that would be an assumption too. The point is we don't know what's fact about the hypothesized cut-off point and what's not.

And you could make a damn good argument for it. Simply because of the fact that Gotenks uses super ghost kamikaze attack at the end of the movie. Unless you want to go to the "Gotenks could have learned it another way route", in which the debate goes in circles because we have zero evidence to suggest he found another way outside of the ROSAT. Sure, there isn't a concrete 100% way way of knowing, but there is damn good evidence that would support your little scenario about gotenks killing Buu , than a completely made up one. Hell your "Assumption" would have more credibility, evidence, and facts compared to others.
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And I see Janemba as stronger than Fat Buu, but weaker than Super Buu in line with what I think the movie writers could have considered, when writing the script

Such as? Unless of course, you are trying to make a point. But then again, I would love to hear your reasons anyway.

[Bussani]

No, because Goku didn't fight with Gotenks Buu, nor did he feel Gohan Buu in Movie 12. Goku was dead at that point, as was Vegeta. So if he was around when Gotenks Buu was there, or Gohan Buu was there, he would be alive. Not to mention that Goku, nor Vegeta ever once mentioned that they had used fusion before, in Movie 12.

Ohhh, no, I see what you guys mean now. I don't think about the movies regularly, so I wasn't taking into account that it would have been different from the series.

[Mystic Gohan]

Most likely, m12 takes place where goku kills fat buu and has to go back to after life. So fat janemba is definitely on the same playing field as fat buu and you can put super janemba wherever. Imo super janemba is equal to super buu unaltered.

[Rostir]

I find it hard to believe that Gotenks could kill someone, Trunks and Goten aren't really good fighters, they're decent, but when it comes to fighting seriously they seem to fall short.

[Perfect]

Goku says he probably could've killed Innocent Buu, plus the fact his dead body was far more durable. Gotenks on the other hand is an idiot and would screw any chance at winning up.

[Saiga]

I don't think Goten and Trunks would have gotten that far with their fusion training if Goku had killed Fat Boo, so I believe in movie 12 Gohan had killed Super Boo by convincing the boys not to fuse.

[Mystic Gohan]

I don't think Goten and Trunks would have gotten that far with their fusion training if Goku had killed Fat Boo, so I believe in movie 12 Gohan had killed Super Boo by convincing the boys not to fuse.

That is actually a really good point. I think I'm gonna go by that reasoning. So that means goku fought fatso just to stall time in the m12 universe then?

[FNF]

I thought pure Buu, the little one was the strongest but i think Super Buu(Gohan absorbed) was the most powerful, he says it him self also. I just think the pure Buu is more powerful because he didn't hold back.
And about Vegetto, I think he could go far into GT. Goten and Trunks could only go SSJ, but when they fuse they could go SSJ3. Vegetto could easily go SSJ3. Vegetto's base form is more powerful than Goku as SSJ3. I think he may be able to beat Bebi.

Pure Boo is like the 3rd weakest Boo as he rivals SSjin3 Goku while Evil (Super) Boo was too strong for Goku to even attempt to fight.

I think the anime is the source for people to think that Pure Boo and Goku are monsters due to the mother load of horrible filler and statements.

btw Gotenks-Boo calls himself the strongest Majin and then Gohan-Boo said he powered up even more.

It should be;

Gohan-Boo>Gotenks-Boo>SouthKaioshin-Boo>Evil Boo>>Pure Boo>Fat Boo>Pure Evil Boo>Mr Boo.

So? just because that was a form Boo took on, doesn't mean it was his power he was feeding off of. You have to remember that once vegeta tore out all the Kaioshin influence from Boo's body, it's stated that his power was increasing, there was absolutely nothing left inside Majin boo to give him that power boost, all the power he was feeding off of was none other than Pure Boo himself and the theory that his power rose then dropped back down contradicts established facts and it's illogical. This tells us that Kaioshin Influence is incompatible with Boo as it was stated by boo's backstory how the goodness of the kaioshins lowered his power through absorption, dai kaioshin just weakened him to the point where it brought him under control. Next we have Dabura and Babidi saying "there are 7 guys in all, we can't use kaioshin or Kibito's energy to revive boo" (meaning they couldn't use their ki to contribute to his revival because kais harm boo), but they could use the other fighers" next we have the potara (a kai artifact) not work with boo's candy beam which allowed vegetto to regain his strength and conscience as a piece of candy. Finally , we have Vegetto immediately separate inside Majin boo. This is simply and factually due to that Potara being Kaioshin made.

In the end, Both Goku and Vegeta underestimated Pure boo severely based on his size and Goku admits that he acted too cocky and has been trying to finish Boo off and should have used potara. It's never once stated that his power dropped back down. Japanese anime and Japanese manga both imply the same message. So to simply disregard the anime just because it doesn't follow ones interpretation, shouldn't be a way to go off of assumptions. But I am willing to accept that Evil boo (with gohan absorbed) and Evil boo (with gotenks & piccolo absorbed) are the mightiest forms of the Majin boo as it was directly stated. But strongest nonfused boo has to go with Pure boo. Which tells us that Evil boo's absorbed forms > Pure boo > Evil boo > Fat boo > Pure evil boo > good boo

All of this is quite frankly pointless.

1. Goku says he can wipe out Pure Boo, Goku says he is no match for Evil Boo's strength.

2. Boo absorbs and exaggerates the Kaioshin's personalities and exaggerate them.
Fat Boo = Fat, childlike and loves candy.
Buff Boo = Powerful and super buff.

3. Pure Boo was enjoying himself because SSjin3 Goku rivalled him. It's a common theme that the Boos only enjoyed fighting opponents who were able to rival them.

Boo: “Hey! Why’d you change back? It’s fun fighting you. Let’s do some more!”

Boo: “Enough already. You’re weak. This isn’t any fun, so I’ll kill you.”

So why would Pure Boo be enjoying himself vs SSjin3 Goku if he could just one shot him?



Quite frankly the Pure Boo>Evil Boo argument is bullshit.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Goku said that he was no match for Evil Boo. When they removed Good Boo from him and he chainged to South Kaioshin Boo, Goku & Vegeta said that Boo's power was increasing, but when he changed to Pure Boo, Goku said that his power fell and that they had a chance to beat him, unlike with Evil Boo, where Goku was sure that he couldn't beat him. Not to mention that Evil Boo was a SSJ3 Gotenks' level, while Pure Boo was at SSJ3 Goku's level, and SSJ3 Gotenks is way stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

[Darkprince410]

I thought pure Buu, the little one was the strongest but i think Super Buu(Gohan absorbed) was the most powerful, he says it him self also. I just think the pure Buu is more powerful because he didn't hold back.
And about Vegetto, I think he could go far into GT. Goten and Trunks could only go SSJ, but when they fuse they could go SSJ3. Vegetto could easily go SSJ3. Vegetto's base form is more powerful than Goku as SSJ3. I think he may be able to beat Bebi.

Pure Boo is like the 3rd weakest Boo as he rivals SSjin3 Goku while Evil (Super) Boo was too strong for Goku to even attempt to fight.

I think the anime is the source for people to think that Pure Boo and Goku are monsters due to the mother load of horrible filler and statements.

btw Gotenks-Boo calls himself the strongest Majin and then Gohan-Boo said he powered up even more.

It should be;

Gohan-Boo>Gotenks-Boo>SouthKaioshin-Boo>Evil Boo>>Pure Boo>Fat Boo>Pure Evil Boo>Mr Boo.

So? just because that was a form Boo took on, doesn't mean it was his power he was feeding off of. You have to remember that once vegeta tore out all the Kaioshin influence from Boo's body, it's stated that his power was increasing, there was absolutely nothing left inside Majin boo to give him that power boost, all the power he was feeding off of was none other than Pure Boo himself and the theory that his power rose then dropped back down contradicts established facts and it's illogical. This tells us that Kaioshin Influence is incompatible with Boo as it was stated by boo's backstory how the goodness of the kaioshins lowered his power through absorption, dai kaioshin just weakened him to the point where it brought him under control. Next we have Dabura and Babidi saying "there are 7 guys in all, we can't use kaioshin or Kibito's energy to revive boo" (meaning they couldn't use their ki to contribute to his revival because kais harm boo), but they could use the other fighers" next we have the potara (a kai artifact) not work with boo's candy beam which allowed vegetto to regain his strength and conscience as a piece of candy. Finally , we have Vegetto immediately separate inside Majin boo. This is simply and factually due to that Potara being Kaioshin made.

In the end, Both Goku and Vegeta underestimated Pure boo severely based on his size and Goku admits that he acted too cocky and has been trying to finish Boo off and should have used potara. It's never once stated that his power dropped back down. Japanese anime and Japanese manga both imply the same message. So to simply disregard the anime just because it doesn't follow ones interpretation, shouldn't be a way to go off of assumptions. But I am willing to accept that Evil boo (with gohan absorbed) and Evil boo (with gotenks & piccolo absorbed) are the mightiest forms of the Majin boo as it was directly stated. But strongest nonfused boo has to go with Pure boo. Which tells us that Evil boo's absorbed forms > Pure boo > Evil boo > Fat boo > Pure evil boo > good boo

Besides what was said by the others about Goku admitting to Vegeta that they stood no chance in fighting Evil Buu, but both were confident in the fact that if Goku used his full power against Pure Buu he'd be able to destroy him, there's also the fact that it was established in the manga that the remark about Buu growing stronger was due to Buu reverting to the form he took after absorbing South Kaioushin.

I have a theory that with Buu, if one of the cocoons in his body is removed, his body retains the ki and the effects thereof for a brief period of time before he burns the remaining ki off. For example, when Gotenks Buu is charging at Goku to attack him, we see Buu show a reaction to Gotenks defusing within him, and then a brief time later we see him revert to Piccolo Buu, even though we've seen that when the boys defuse, it's an instant process, and not one that takes a brief time. The same thing happened when Gohan Buu reverted to Piccolo Buu, and then back to Super Buu when Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo's cocoons are removed.

Even though their removals were instant, the effects on Buu's body took brief periods of time, which suggests to me that their ki lingers in Buu's body for a short time after the absorptions are removed, and the longer the people have been absorbed, the more saturated his body would be with their ki, and thus the longer it takes for his body to burn off that excess ki

When Mr. Buu's cocoon was removed, we see Buu revert into "Buff" Buu, and it is this Buu that Rou Kaioushin asks (and Kibitoshin confirms) was the form that Buu took after absorbing South Kaioushin.

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P13.5
Context: as evil Boo reverts to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “H-hey…Vegeta…His ki is increasing, ain’t it…!?”

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P1.3
Context: evil Boo continues to revert to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “…H-hey…He’s changed into an awfully bulky guy…”

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.3-4
Kaioshin: “…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo…..”
Elder Kaioshin: …And he become that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes……”

Thus, in my opinion, Dai Kaioushin's ki burned off first, removing the dampening influence that it had on Buu's strength, which is why Goku noticed his ki rising. Once he in turn burned through the influence of South Kaioushin (which there is no actual indication that his ki weakened Buu like how Dai Kaioushin's did), he reverted to Pure Buu, which as said before, both Goku and Vegeta felt Goku could take out on his own.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I find it hard to believe that Gotenks could kill someone, Trunks and Goten aren't really good fighters, they're decent, but when it comes to fighting seriously they seem to fall short.

It's merely a hypothetical situation to make DBZ Movie #12 chronologically work. But like I said, the movies aren't necessarily meant to fit into the timeline, so whether or not you find it hard to believe that Gotenks could kill someone doesn't matter. This Gotenks may be somewhat different from the anime Gotenks, as events apparently happened differently in this movie. Maybe Piccolo actually took the initiative to destroy Boo's ashes after Gotenks' Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack, or Gotenks happened to finish off Boo a minute sooner before he reverted back to normal than in the anime.

Or my explanation: SSj3 Goku defeated Fat Boo. Perhaps Goku didn't act like a dick this time and realized that it would be better to defeat Boo, minimize damage control and train the kids Fusion himself or have Piccolo do it (just in case another threat came along) and/or to become stronger and protect the universe afterwards, rather than place all his eggs in Gotenks' basket on a gamble and keep his fingers crossed when he could easily finish off Boo himself.

Or Gohan defeated Boo either before he could self-destruct, before he could absorb Gotenks and Piccolo or he just persuaded Goten and Trunks not to merge.

(Frankly, I don't know what Gohan was doing in the first place letting Goten and Trunks merge to fight Boo anyway. Piccolo knew something up, so perhaps Gohan should've too. And Gohan knows that he's much stronger than Gotenks and Boo anyway, since, even though he didn't see the fight and may've only known what was going through Goku's comment a little ways away, he would've known Gotenks failed to defeat Boo and/or his time limit ran out, which could happen again if he messed around. Gohan should've known it would be wasting time to let two kids fight Boo and either lose/run out of time/get turned into chocolate when he could just finish him off instantly.)

[Saiga]

(Frankly, I don't know what Gohan was doing in the first place letting Goten and Trunks merge to fight Boo anyway. Piccolo knew something up, so perhaps Gohan should've too. And Gohan knows that he's much stronger than Gotenks and Boo anyway, since, even though he didn't see the fight and may've only known what was going through Goku's comment a little ways away, he would've known Gotenks failed to defeat Boo and/or his time limit ran out, which could happen again if he messed around. Gohan should've known it would be wasting time to let two kids fight Boo and either lose/run out of time/get turned into chocolate when he could just finish him off instantly.)

Gohan didn't want the kids to fuse, but the little shits just didn't listen.