How powerful did Yamcha, Ten, Chaozu, and Krillin get?

[Saiga]

FNF, I'm just done. If you can't even agree to disagree I'm not even going to bother with your posts any more. It's just the same shit every time.

[FNF]

Fair enough

[Bussani]

And Bussani agreed with me...To a Japanese reader, I would heavily doubt there would be any confusion. Herms has made it rather obvious what is meant.

Well, I suppose we have to keep in mind that calling all humanoids "human" isn't a standard thing in Japan. It's not a purely Toriyama thing, either, but there are works of fiction that don't follow this usage. So I suppose there's room to wonder if Toriyama was using "human" here in the way he used it in other parts of the series, or if he was using "human" to mean regular humans. What I'm saying is, I'm not sure it would be much more obvious to a Japanese reader what Gero was talking about.

[Son_Gohan]

If it wasn't pertained to regular humans, why question there being a malfunction?

[Kaboom]

It seems obvious from the context that they meant "stronger than regular humans." I wasn't aware there was any doubt about this.

[Fox666]

I think it meant "we have never seen an human that strong, so this must be Son Goku". Of course the strongest human they had seen so far had a battle power of 1,830...

[Deep Thought]

I don't think Yamcha was weaker than the Cell Jr.s. It seems more likely to me that he pre-emptively knew that his pain was required for Gohan to achieve Super Sayajin 2 and beat Cell (even Yamcha wasn't strong enough to beat Cell). It would look strange if too many people looked like they were holding their own against the Cell Jr.s and it would make the situation look less dire.

[CaptainKatsura]

If Yamcha was really around Cell Junior's level, knowing Toriyama sense of humour it would wrap around him and reenact his famous scene of death

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I don't think Yamcha was weaker than the Cell Jr.s. It seems more likely to me that he pre-emptively knew that his pain was required for Gohan to achieve Super Sayajin 2 and beat Cell (even Yamcha wasn't strong enough to beat Cell). It would look strange if too many people looked like they were holding their own against the Cell Jr.s and it would make the situation look less dire.

The Cell Jr.s are as strong as Perfect Cell is. So you are saying that Yamcha is stronger than Cell? Yamcha & the other Earthlings admitted that they were useless since the Artificial Humans arc, and he was almost killed by fucking #20. And then, Yamcha was holding back & loosing on purpose so that Gohan would go Super Saiyan 2... How the hell did Yamcha knew about Super Saiyan 2? And what kind of training did Yamcha did to surpass Cell? I'm not sure if you are serious or if you are trolling.

[LiamKav]

The Cell Jr.s are as strong as Perfect Cell is.

"Almost" as strong as Perfect Cell, I believe.

[Fox666]

That seems to be based on a statement from the Daizenshuu, which says the Cell Jr. are about as fast and strong as Cell.

But I think you should take that as they having a body designed to fight like Cell, not that they really can fight on par with Cell.

[Kaboom]

Other guidebooks say they were on-par with Vegeta and Trunks, who are decidedly LESS powerful than Cell.

[shonenhikada]

I don't think Yamcha was weaker than the Cell Jr.s. It seems more likely to me that he pre-emptively knew that his pain was required for Gohan to achieve Super Sayajin 2 and beat Cell (even Yamcha wasn't strong enough to beat Cell). It would look strange if too many people looked like they were holding their own against the Cell Jr.s and it would make the situation look less dire.

The Cell Jr.s are as strong as Perfect Cell is. So you are saying that Yamcha is stronger than Cell? Yamcha & the other Earthlings admitted that they were useless since the Artificial Humans arc, and he was almost killed by fucking #20. And then, Yamcha was holding back & loosing on purpose so that Gohan would go Super Saiyan 2... How the hell did Yamcha knew about Super Saiyan 2? And what kind of training did Yamcha did to surpass Cell? I'm not sure if you are serious or if you are trolling.

http://youtu.be/e9_yqKABK08

Yamcha did training to prepare fighting cell.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That was filler. Anyway, you are obviously trolling in this threads along with others, so I'm not going to reply to any of your posts ever again. I'm just loosing time.

[VegettoEX]

That was filler. Anyway, you are obviously trolling in this threads along with others, so I'm not going to reply to any of your posts ever again. I'm just loosing time.

If you feel someone is legitimately "trolling", please do not waste others' time by posting simply to say that you are no longer going to post or respond.

[shonenhikada]

That was filler. Anyway, you are obviously trolling in this threads along with others, so I'm not going to reply to any of your posts ever again. I'm just loosing time.

Just trying to explain how the dude could of survived cell jr assualts bro.

[CaptainKatsura]

^10 days of "mountain training" would really prepare ANYONE to fight with cell juniors? Piccolo after ROSAT "vacations" was inferior to them, so it's quite fanboyish to claim that humans with inferior training would get stronger after relatively shorter time.

[Jackal puFF]

The Cell Jr's were playing around. They were like cats with mice. He was strong enough to survive the playing around but he would have definitely died if Gohan didn't step in.

[Xyex]

Since I don't feel like reading through 6 pages of what's probably been a lot of back-and-forth debating of the same points, I'm just going to toss out my thougths on the topic itself and ignore the current discussion thread.

As I see it, by the Buu era:
Tien - Over 150,000 but less than 300,000.
Krillin - Over 100,000 but less than 200,000.
Yamcha - Around 120,000.
Chaotuz - Around 50,000.

[Ketchup_Revenge]

Since I don't feel like reading through 6 pages of what's probably been a lot of back-and-forth debating of the same points, I'm just going to toss out my thougths on the topic itself and ignore the current discussion thread.

As I see it, by the Buu era:
Tenshinhan - Over 150,000 but less than 300,000.
Krillin - Over 100,000 but less than 200,000.
Yamcha - Around 120,000.
Chaotuz - Around 50,000.

I also don't want to read through six pages, but Krillin's Grand Elder power up helped him surpass all the other humans considerably in the Freeza Arc. Yamcha I don't believe could catch up to him in three short years, considering he only trained on Kaiosama's planet and for the Artificial human arc, and never fought again after Cell. Also Krillin against Freeza was stated to be around 140,000 if I'm not correct. (please someone correct me if I am lying.) Not only that but he did three additional years of training for the Jinzenogen, so I wouldn't be surprised in Krillin could've been in the 300,000 to 400,000 range by the Cell Arc.

So with all that said, I don't want to put Yamcha any higher then 30,000. I truly think that people become so absorbed with the concept of Saiyan Zenkai increases that they inadvertently apply them to humans as well. I really don't think the humans are really that strong by the end of the series, and the only reason why they survived the Cell Jr onslaught was because their only intent was to piss Gohan off. They weren't interested in killing any of them, and none of the humans were able put up any kind of a fight inspite of the Cell Jr.s just screwing around.
Tenshinhan on the other hand was able to hold off second form cell with his shin kikoho, so I agree with the 150,000 range, if not higher.