Does anyone else dislike how Toriyama used Future Trunks

[TheGmGoken]

Then you didn't understand my point regardless of me explaining. I didn't say heroes can't have guides. Luke needed Obi Wan and Yoda but he was still proactive in the story.

To which I said it was ignorant for you to say that since guides have been shown to tell the hero exactly what to do and when. Some even get involve. More so than Goku in Bojack Unbound

[ABED]

Then you didn't understand my point regardless of me explaining. I didn't say heroes can't have guides. Luke needed Obi Wan and Yoda but he was still proactive in the story.

To which I said it was ignorant for you to say that since guides have been shown to tell the hero exactly what to do and when. Some even get involve. More so than Goku in Bojack Unbound

Such as? Please pick well known characters from more well known properties than Avatar.

[dbzfan7]

Then you didn't understand my point regardless of me explaining. I didn't say heroes can't have guides. Luke needed Obi Wan and Yoda but he was still proactive in the story.

To which I said it was ignorant for you to say that since guides have been shown to tell the hero exactly what to do and when. Some even get involve. More so than Goku in Bojack Unbound

Such as? Please pick well known characters from more well known properties than Avatar.

He listed the characters. You could just look them up.

[ABED]

He listed the characters. You could just look them up.

That doesn't help. Rogue was never the main hero, and I've never seen or have any intention of watching Avatar. Even if I did look it up, how am I supposed to know about the situations that he's referring to?

[dbzfan7]

He listed the characters. You could just look them up.

That doesn't help. Rogue was never the main hero, and I've never seen or have any intention of watching Avatar. Even if I did look it up, how am I supposed to know about the situations that he's referring to?

By reading up of course. I learned plot lines from other series by reading up and not watching them.

[ABED]

He listed the characters. You could just look them up.

That doesn't help. Rogue was never the main hero, and I've never seen or have any intention of watching Avatar. Even if I did look it up, how am I supposed to know about the situations that he's referring to?

By reading up of course. I learned plot lines from other series by reading up and not watching them.

It's weird that he picked those characters, like he assumed I knew them. Rogue has decades worth of history, I could read all day and not find what I'm looking for.

[dbzfan7]

It's weird that he picked those characters, like he assumed I knew them. Rogue has decades worth of history, I could read all day and not find what I'm looking for.

Aang doesn't have decades of history. You'd have to ask Gm about the others though. Also your missing out on one of the best cartoon series ever by not watching Avatar.

[ABED]

It's weird that he picked those characters, like he assumed I knew them. Rogue has decades worth of history, I could read all day and not find what I'm looking for.

Aang doesn't have decades of history. You'd have to ask Gm about the others though. Also your missing out on one of the best cartoon series ever by not watching Avatar.

Maybe, but I'm already watching too much TV as is.

[dbzfan7]

It's weird that he picked those characters, like he assumed I knew them. Rogue has decades worth of history, I could read all day and not find what I'm looking for.

Aang doesn't have decades of history. You'd have to ask Gm about the others though. Also your missing out on one of the best cartoon series ever by not watching Avatar.

Maybe, but I'm already watching too much TV as is.

You really have no idea what your missing. Hell one sit through of Avatar The Last Airbender and Doug Walker already has it as his favourite show of all time.

[TheGmGoken]

He listed the characters. You could just look them up.

That doesn't help. Rogue was never the main hero, and I've never seen or have any intention of watching Avatar. Even if I did look it up, how am I supposed to know about the situations that he's referring to?

Um. It's not that hard to read a character bio. Which gives out all the information from each arc.

Such as? Please pick well known characters from more well known properties than Avatar.

Gurren Lagann is more popular xD.

Here's some more:
C-ko
Chihaya Ayase
Shinji Ikari
Ayano(Once again. Since this liis my 3rd favorite anime)
Yuki
Simba
Tsunayoshi Sawada

What's the difference between people giving up from a popular media than a less popular one? Or is it so you can know the character?

It's weird that he picked those characters, like he assumed I knew them

I never assumed. I just named characters. You're assuming that I assumed. xD. Also how is it weird? They are characters. It's no difference than saying Gohan had this been a website for a different anime and we was having the same "debate"

[ABED]

Who's Doug Walker?
Edit: I just did a google search, are you talking about That Guy with Glasses? I've only heard of him and saw one episode and that's all I could take.

What's the difference between people giving up from a popular media than a less popular one? Or is it so you can know the character?

It's because I have no frame of reference. Since we are writing to each other it's best that we keep it to things we both have seen, so I have some ability to add to the conversation.

I never assumed. I just named characters. You're assuming that I assumed. xD. Also how is it weird? They are characters. It's no difference than saying Gohan had this been a website for a different anime and we was having the same "debate"

Because when you communicate with someone you want to be on the same wavelength. If I were to give someone directions to my house, I wouldn't tell them my house is two houses down from my friend Cory. Technically true, but it wouldn't help them because they likely won't have that frame of reference.

In any event, heroes are proactive.

[TheGmGoken]

What's the difference between people giving up from a popular media than a less popular one? Or is it so you can know the character?

It's because I have no frame of reference. Since we are writing to each other it's best that we keep it to things we both have seen, so I have some ability to add to the conversation.

Hence why I said "is it because you would know them". You could have just said Yes not give a un needed life story.

I never assumed. I just named characters. You're assuming that I assumed. xD. Also how is it weird? They are characters. It's no difference than saying Gohan had this been a website for a different anime and we was having the same "debate"

Because when you communicate with someone you want to be on the same wavelength. If I were to give someone directions to my house, I wouldn't tell them my house is two houses down from my friend Cory. Technically true, but it wouldn't help them because they likely won't have that frame of reference.

In any event, heroes are proactive.

What if they know Cody xD. Also that have NOTHING to do with you saying the character I listed were wierd.

Telling by the fact you didn't know any of the heroes I listed shows you don't know EVERY HERO. So you can't say that in any events heroes are proactive. Also that's what YOUR definition of what a hero should be. Not the same as everyone one else. Some people just say Heroes need to be good guys. Yes some people do say that. So here are many descriptions of heroes. You can't just go by ONE.

[ABED]

Telling by the fact you didn't know any of the heroes I listed shows you don't know EVERY HERO. So you can't say that in any events heroes are proactive. Also that's what YOUR definition of what a hero should be. Not the same as everyone one else. Some people just say Heroes need to be good guys. Yes some people do say that. So here are many descriptions of heroes. You can't just go by ONE.

I wasn't saying that AT ALL. I know I haven't seen everything, but what you or some writer may consider a hero, may not be a hero. One of my problems with modern literature, film and television is the lack of well written, interesting heroic characters. Just because someone writes something and intends for the character to be the hero, doesn't make them a heroic character. Notice I wrote "hero" not "character", more specifically "main hero."

You listed Rogue, but if you did understand my point you would've seen that I wrote "main hero" a number of times. Rogue isn't the main hero of the X-Men. The main heroes of that team are Cyclops, Wolverine (though at times he's more of an anti-hero) or Professor X.

What if they know Cody xD. Also that have NOTHING to do with you saying the character I listed were wierd.

You mean Cory, and if they know Cory and where he lives, then saying I live close to him would be objective.
Yes, it does have something to do with what we were discussing. If you want to carry on a discussion, you should have a similar frame of reference.

[TheGmGoken]

You listed Rogue, but if you did pay attention you would've seen that I wrote "main hero" a number of times. Rogue isn't the main hero of the X-Men.

I stopped mentioning her and I later I named all main heroes. So YOU need to paid attention.

I wasn't saying that AT ALL. I know I haven't seen everything, but what you or some writer may consider a hero, may not be a hero.

Same can be said to YOU . You go by 1 definition where there are MANY definitions of heroes. Get that process in your head. There is more than 1 definition.

One of my problems with modern literature, film and television is the lack of well written, interesting heroic characters. Just because someone writes something and intends for the character to be the hero, doesn't make them a heroic character. Notice I wrote "hero" not "character", more specifically "main hero."

That is because you go by that 1 definition. There is MANY and I mean MANY definitions of hero. You don't go by one. You apply those definition to a Hero to the one that fits best. Not just 1. The Main hero is most likely a protagonist and is called one rather than a hero. However MOST protagonist in fiction are heroes. Just in a different definitions. Seriously dude. You need to learn that there is more than 1 def. Using that logic of that 1 definition a lot of heroes who damn right deserves to be called a hero aren't heroes.

[ABED]

That is because you go by that 1 definition. There is MANY and I mean MANY definitions of hero. You don't go by one. Using that logic of that 1 definition a lot of heroes who damn right deserves to be called a hero aren't heroes.

MAIN hero, MAIN. And yes, many characters would be excluded from being considered a hero because they lack certain heroic qualities. Heaven forbid not everyone is a hero. The term hero can't be as broad as you make it, otherwise communication becomes much harder since concepts become much harder to hold in our minds and communicate to others.

Agree to disagree and let's let the issue lie.

[TheGmGoken]

MAIN hero, MAIN. And yes, many characters would be excluded from being considered a hero because they lack certain heroic qualities.

What does being a main hero have to do with the fucking definition of a hero? Being a Main Hero doesn't change your definition. THERE IS STILL more than 1 definition regardless. They may lack qualities in one definition but have all in another.

Heaven forbid not everyone is a hero. The term hero can't be as broad as you make it, otherwise communication becomes much harder since concepts become much harder to hold in our minds and communicate to others.

I didn't say everyone is a hero. I'm saying you're using only that 1 old definition of a hero. Since then MANY more definition has been made. Hell there was definitions before that. Which was completely different. See that!? It's called a different definition. Obviously the communication is going to be harder. That's what happens with multi definition words. The term has many more meaning than that bullshit one you're using. You can't admit that there is more that 1 meaning. How hard is that? Yes not everyone is a hero and most times they even admit they aren't heroes they're just doing a job.Either for money or fun. But damn. Those who are indeed a hero are heroes because they earned it and deserve it. It has more than 1 definition. How hard is that to understand. Stop using that 1 and learn more meanings. Otherwise you will soon learn that even Goku wasn't a hero.

Agree to disagree and let's let the issue lie.

I would if stop being rude and say "You didn't read my post" or "You're not paying attention".

[Dr. Machismo]

Gohan being revealed to be a pacifist in the Androids saga wasn't random. Gohan was never shown to have a desire to fight and become stronger in the same vein as Goku and Vegeta. Unlike characters like Goku, Vegeta, Krillin, Tien and Yamcha, Gohan wasn't born into the lifestyle of a martial artist. He spent his early life secluded in peace and focusing strictly on academics. At the age of 5, though, he was abducted and nearly killed by his own uncle, lost his father and forced into a rigorous training by Piccolo. He eventually adjusted to the latter, but he was still shown to be the same timid child when Vegeta and Nappa attacked. He watched as the people around him were killed, including Piccolo, the man he grew to love like family. By the time Piccolo died, Gohan had completely adjusted to having to fight, but it wasn't because he wanted to. It was because it was the right thing. That mindset was what made Gohan resolve to traveling the planet Namek. He didn't want to go to planet Namek in the hopes of fighting powerful opponents, but so he could bring back everyone killed in the previous battle.

During his whole time on planet Namek, Gohan was never to have actually enjoyed all the fighting. It's very likely that he wasn't keeping up with his training when he returned to Earth as it seemed he was back to his routine before he met Raditz. When he realized Frieza was coming to Earth, Gohan went to see what he could do about, but again, that wasn't because he had some desire to. He did it because he thought it was the right thing. When he learned androids were going to devastate Earth in three years, Gohan was eager to start training, NOT because he was excited about fighting powerful opponents, but again, because training his heart out was the right thing to do. Because he wanted to protect the people around him.

[mAcChaos]

ABED, go back and look at the scene where Cell is about to self destruct. Look at Gohan's mindset then. He pretty much loses the will to fight. That carries over to the rest of the battle.

[Dr. Machismo]

ABED, go back and look at the scene where Cell is about to self destruct. Look at Gohan's mindset then. He pretty much loses the will to fight. That carries over to the rest of the battle.

No, he regained his will to fight when Cell reappeared, but lost it again when his arm got wounded.

[mAcChaos]

Yeah, but the shame of having lost his father because of his arrogance and such was still there.