Goku kept SSJ God's power.

[hleV]

BOG is not an official continuation of the manga, unless stated so.

You don't liked but, Toriyama says the opposite!

Toriyama didn't say BOG is an official continuation to the manga.

[kuartus4]

How could goku know for certain after the fight, that uub was kid buu if uub had not displayed kid buu tier power? Thats how goku confirmed uub was who he thought he was wasn't it? And how could base goku survive kid buu tier power if he was only Freeza tier? He should have been completely destroyed by uub. He would not be able to block or dodge any of uub's attacks, and he would have been torn to shreds by uub's kiai.

Oob normally has the power of a normal 10 year-old. However, inside him he hides power many billions times greater. Goku, as an experienced fighter, could see that power through fighting Oob.

How can goku see that power without uub showing it?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Gohan can't be surpassed by conventional methods as of this point in time. No they aren't. You're just very close minded about this whole ordeal.

What a beautiful oxymoron.

I'm wasting my time with you, you're not getting it.

It would be quite the oxymoron if there weren't statements backing up Gohan being strongest as a fact . No you don't get it. You seem to under the impression that everything should be taken at face value, which is bull shit. You also seem to be under this impression that all guide books should, as of now, be ignored because you're not willing to work on a compromise. It is I who is wasting time with you.

Yes, that is conclusive. Gohan can't be surpassed by conventional methods as of this point in time.

Come on Mighty, I always think that you are a really open minded guy on this debates!

I am, I think Goku and Vegeta can surpass him in time, just not now.

[hleV]

What a beautiful oxymoron.

I'm wasting my time with you, you're not getting it.

So I see you've met TheMightyOzaru.

[TheMightyOzaru]

What a beautiful oxymoron.

I'm wasting my time with you, you're not getting it.

So I see you've met TheMightyOzaru.

I've do nothing to warrant such disrespect.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

How can goku see that power without uub showing it?

He either showed it, but couldn't use it, or he could guess like Ginyu could guess Goku's power.

BOG is not an official continuation of the manga, unless stated so.

You don't liked but, Toriyama says the opposite!

Toriyama didn't say BOG is an official continuation to the manga.

It can't be a continuation to the manga, since it takes place during the manga. However, it is obvious that it is intended to be part of the manga continuity (mainly), and of the anime continuity.

An episode from between the animation series “Z” and “GT”, or in other words from the blank decade between the end of the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the manga and chapter 518, will be depicted for the first time.

A new story in the official history of Dragon Ball is born, neither a spin-off nor a side-story

Strictly speaking, it’s between the comic’s “final chapter” and “just before that”. GT isn’t part of the original work, after all~.

We also have Toriyama having heavy influence in the movie, and anime-only stuff like Gregory are omitted (Tarble is mentioned, but Tarble appears in the manga adaptation of JSAT, which could be considered a manga 2-part special), and while they say it takes place before GT, they don't care if BoG would create inconsistencies to it.

[TheMightyOzaru]

BOG is not an official continuation of the manga, unless stated so.

Considering Toriyama wrote almost all of Battle of Gods, I don't see why it's not officially part of his work, but to each his own I suppose:

With what stance did you approach your work?
To be honest, I was busy as it was with just my own job, so I didn’t intend to get involved with the animation. The rough script I read in order to check it over had an interesting-sounding theme of a God of Destruction, but the contents were a little dark, so while I was in the midst of giving advice on how to improve it, I got carried away and ended up writing almost everything. For the character designs, as well, I had an image of them to a certain extent while I was thinking up the contents [of the movie], so I decided that it would be faster to just draw them myself rather than asking for this or that.

Toriyama wrote the story and designed the characters. If you don't want to accept it, whatever, but there is plenty of stuff out there that suggest it's part of Toriyama's manga.

[hleV]

1. BOG creates inconsistencies that make it impossible for it to be in the manga's continuity.
2. BOG is not stated to be in the manga's continuity.

Conclusion? I'll let you work it out.

[Rocketman]

It's not part of the manga because it is not in the 42 volumes.

[TheMightyOzaru]

1. BOG creates inconsistencies that make it impossible for it to be in the manga's continuity.
2. BOG is not stated to be in the manga's continuity.

Conclusion? I'll let you work it out.

Actually it's stated that Battle of Gods is something both anime and manga fans can enjoy. Toriyama also said he wrote it as if it were a continuation of the manga. Right because the manga totally doesn't have inconsistencies too . Lets completely forget Cell's regeneration plot hole, or various power inconsistencies throughout the Buu arc, or Trunks saying C-17 and C-18 were C-19 and C-20, or Shenron just suddenly not only reviving people, but reviving them in their bodies where they died, even though in the Saiyan and early Namek arc, they had to be transported back to where they wanted to go. Those are but a few examples. I could name more if need be .

It's not part of the manga because it is not in the 42 volumes.

And the author can't add to his work because.....?

[Rocketman]

Because the work is complete.

[Li'l Lemmy]

There's no denying that Oob IS, or at least has the potential to be, as strong or stronger than Boo... but are we really given indication that Oob displayed that kind of power at the tournament? Or was Goku simply impressed because Oob fights at a level far beyond normal human capacity that validates his identity and SUGGESTS his true ability?

As for the whole debate over the "canon" status of Battle of Gods, well... I'm not saying that it's not worth discussing (even if I don't personally stress over such things), but the merits of It Is Canon or It Isn't Canon are being tossed around in such an aggressively childish manner by both sides that the whole "canon" argument just looks positively asinine by default. Instead of the intriguing and relevant point of argument it COULD be for this topic, it's turned into an e-penis measuring contest that's better suited to non-Kanzenshuu message boards. Why?

C'mon, we're better than this. I know that we're a passionate bunch, but there's no reason to behave like bastards over it.


~Da Lemmy

[TheMightyOzaru]

Because the work is complete.

That doesn't prevent the author from adding to it . Star Wars was complete, yet we got 3 prequels and now we're getting 3 sequels.

[Blade]

It would be quite the oxymoron if there weren't statements backing up Gohan being strongest as a fact .

In the manga, before Battle of Gods, yes.

No you don't get it. You seem to under the impression that everything should be taken at face value, which is bull shit.

On the contrary, the narrative of Dragonball rarely carries much of a subtext - and whenever it does, it's usually perverted humour. It's usually fairly cut and dry, so you ought to take the narrative at face value, as quite frankly, you're wasting your time otherwise.

You also seem to be under this impression that all guide books should, as of now, be ignored because you're not willing to work on a compromise. It is I who is wasting time with you.

Work on a compromise? A compromise about what? It's not my place, or indeed your place, to reach decisions pertaining to the validity of narrative events. They're there and set in stone, written by people who have no interest in reaching a compromise with various continuities and fan arguments. Unless you count them making Gohan not a Super Saiyan against Birus because the fans went crazy on Twitter.

You don't have to agree with me, nor I with you - but I'm just going off the events in the narrative taken at face value, as they're meant to be taken, which incidentally was the basis of my case to begin with. I didn't ignore the guidebooks completely, I actually factored in the Super Saiyan multipliers from the Super Exciting Guide when making my original post, however I think that it's likely that Battle of Gods ignores those too - otherwise Vegeta could really be 8 times stronger than Goku, which I'm sure is something the script editors wouldn't let fly if they were aware of it or cared.

[hleV]

Actually it's stated that Battle of Gods is something both anime and manga fans can enjoy.

So if one enjoys something, it's automatically in the manga's continuity?

Toriyama also said he wrote it as if it were a continuation of the manga.

Yes. Toriyama imagined what could happen had he continued the manga serialization. This doesn't translate to "BOG has officially happened in the manga's history".

Right because the manga totally doesn't have inconsistencies too .

Again, you bring up the manga's inconsistencies as if they justify BOG's contradictions.

Lets completely forget Cell's regeneration plot hole

Cell never said he can't regenerate from half of his body.

[quote="TheMightyOzaru"

or Trunks saying C-17 and C-18 were C-19 and C-20

Toriyama hadn't planned #17 & #18 at that time, so it's easy to make this one slide. (Wasn't it corrected in the Kanzenban?)

or Shenron just suddenly not only reviving people, but reviving them in their bodies where they died, even though in the Saiyan and early Namek arc, they had to be transported back to where they wanted to go.

I can't remember this. What was the wish and in which arc?

Those are but a few examples. I could name more if need be .

Feel free to give more.

[KentalSSJ6]

Ok, back on track. Regarding Goku keeping SSJG's power, is it implying one of the following?

*The power he had in SSJG is now his normal base power?

*He can transform into SSJG anytime he wants now to access the power?

If its the former then wouldn't that mean Base Goku > Super Vegito? That's not even including the multipliers of SSJ1-3 that could yet be added on top of it right?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Ok, back on track. Regarding Goku keeping SSJG's power, is it implying one of the following?

*The power he had in SSJG is now his normal base power?

*He can transform into SSJG anytime he wants now to access the power?

If its the former then wouldn't that mean Base Goku > Super Vegito? That's not even including the multipliers of SSJ1-3 that could yet be added on top of it right?

Goku has access to almost all of the God Power in his base now. Transforming into SS-SS3 (or Oozaru or SS-SSG3) doesn't seem to make him any stronger when using the God Power (they only add their drawbacks).

And also, these is no evidence that God Goku > Super Vegetto.

[Super Vegetto]

Ok, back on track. Regarding Goku keeping SSJG's power, is it implying one of the following?

*The power he had in SSJG is now his normal base power?

*He can transform into SSJG anytime he wants now to access the power?

If its the former then wouldn't that mean Base Goku > Super Vegito? That's not even including the multipliers of SSJ1-3 that could yet be added on top of it right?

Goku has access to almost all of the God Power in his base now. Transforming into SS-SS3 (or Oozaru or SS-SSG3) doesn't seem to make him any stronger when using the God Power (they only add their drawbacks).

And also, these is no evidence that God Goku > Super Vegetto.

Bills says that Goku absorbed SSJG power and made it his own, yet he isn't strong like in SSJG form,,if i remember correctly.

Later Goku again transforms in SSJG and absorbs/destroys Bills ki attack, that he couldn't do it in Base/SSJ with God powers that he absorbed.


Actualy there is evidence that God Goku > Super Vegetto. It's the same with Kids knowing Gotenks power and how much he improved...

[KentalSSJ6]

Ok, back on track. Regarding Goku keeping SSJG's power, is it implying one of the following?

*The power he had in SSJG is now his normal base power?

*He can transform into SSJG anytime he wants now to access the power?

If its the former then wouldn't that mean Base Goku > Super Vegito? That's not even including the multipliers of SSJ1-3 that could yet be added on top of it right?

Goku has access to almost all of the God Power in his base now. Transforming into SS-SS3 (or Oozaru or SS-SSG3) doesn't seem to make him any stronger when using the God Power (they only add their drawbacks).

And also, these is no evidence that God Goku > Super Vegetto.

By that logic, Goku doesent need SSJ1-3 anymore and SSJG pretty much functions like a Mystic form for him.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Later Goku again transforms in SSJG and absorbs/destroys Bills ki attack, that he couldn't do it in Base/SSJ with God powers that he absorbed.
Beers says that after Goku absorbed the God Power, his power decreased insignificantly. I guess that what Super Saiyan God Goku did was allowing himself to enter inside the ki blast, and then make it explode from the inside, while SS/base Goku was trying to repel it.

Actualy there is evidence that God Goku > Super Vegetto.

And these are...?

By that logic, Goku doesent need SSJ1-3 anymore and SSJG pretty much functions like a Mystic form for him.

Most likely. Super Saiyan won't have any effect, but Super Saiyan 2 would give him a malicing heart & energy drain, and Super Saiyan 3 would increase the energy drain, and it would drain all of his power rapidly after 5 minutes (Oozaru would give him a huge body that doesn't suit for battle, Super Saiyan Grade 2 would increase the energy drain, and Super Saiyan Grade 3 would increase the energy drain even more, and kill his speed). Transforming would either not increase his power at all, or would increase in insignificantly, like Super Saiyan God increases his power insignificantly (SSGod should give the biggest increase).