Battle Of Gods Base Goku Is Weaker Than Frieza?

[TheMightyOzaru]

We're not ignoring it, it's just an illogical conclusion to come to when Nappa can blow up an entire city with 0 effort.

[rereboy]

We're not ignoring it, it's just an illogical conclusion to come to when Nappa can blow up an entire city with 0 effort.

My conclusion regarding the area that it was meant to destroy was that it wasn't a minimal attack. Period. Whenever in Dragon Ball a minimal attack strikes, it always destroys less than a area of great size, even if, logically speaking, a minimal attack from a character from the android arc should be a very powerful attack in the Saiyan arc, but Dragon Ball is never consistent to that degree in terms of damage.

That it was significantly powerful, I got from Krillin's reaction. Not from the size of the area. Like I said, I only mentioned that because it implies that it was not a minimal attack. Krillin's reaction is more consistent, telling and important.

I will said it again, you are developing the habit of posting unnecessary replies to my posts. It kind of looks that you don't even read them with much attention. Half of the time you reply trying to argue agaisnt a point that wasn't even the one I was trying to make.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Though emphasis was being placed on the very form itself, rather than just focusing on an individual's strength within it. The viewpoint being conveyed at the time through characters' statements was that simply having the form puts you far above those without it:

Probably because Super Saiyan was still considered to be the most powerful form in the eyes of everyone else. And it was.

The way I read Krillin's quote is that Piccolo is fighting at a level only a Super Saiyan should be capable of. The first thing he comments on is Piccolo's incredible strength, with Tien later remarking how he hated seeing Vegeta and Piccolo so powerful. The Super Saiyans are still in their own tier at that point, but Piccolo is as well

The Saiyan evidently cannot reach that realm of power through sheer training in their natural state; it only becomes accessible through the transformation. So why should Piccolo get any special treatment in that regard? If he reaches SSj Goku's power on Namek from 3 years of training that already makes him strong enough to defeat Freeza. Yet Freeza's level is established to be significant not only in that arc, but as late as the Majin Buu era. It doesn't comply story-wise for Piccolo to jump up in power that fast so needlessly.

Piccolo was already shown making incredible gains through sheer training without the need of the Saiyan zenkai or transformations. Just because the Saiyans need Super Saiyan to reach a certain level doesn't mean Piccolo can't reach that level alone. Both are entirely different. Also, I don't see how this actually takes away from the importance of Freeza. All of the people who even mention him are so much weaker than him (Sans Kaioshin) that it's nothing more than a reference to the last bad guy. Piccolo surpassing Freeza before fusing with Kami doesn't change that.

The Base Saiyans never once showed they were even as strong as 50% Freeza without Kaio-Ken X20 or Super Saiyan. Piccolo's dominance of a powered-up #20 is much better than Super Saiyan Goku's battle with #19, so Piccolo should at the very least be considered above 50% Freeza based on that alone. My point is Piccolo's limits are much different than the Base Saiyans. That didn't suddenly change by the Android saga. He spent 3 yrs sparring with Super Saiyan Goku and Gohan, while leaving the latter in the dust. Piccolo greatly exceeds the Base Saiyans naturally because he can defeat the Androids while the Saiyans can't without transforming. When taking that into consideration, there's no telling how strong he could grow through training alone--whereas we're shown that the Saiyans have a wall. Well, Vegeta at least.

And Piccolo doesn't even need to be 150 million. I could see Krillin making that statement if he's 120-140 million, too. I just think based on what we're shown, he's at least stronger than Super Saiyan Goku was against #19--who, while weaker, was still pretty strong. The "Super Saiyan" isn't just some wall of power only accessible to those who are Super Saiyan. Heck, Kid Future Trunks was a Super Saiyan--and at best, he's probably only a bit stronger or slightly weaker than Future Base Gohan. Surely Piccolo would've been stronger than both after training with someone as powerful as Super Saiyan Goku.

Fusing with Kami was depicted as Piccolo's version of Super Saiyan: it is accessed in a similar manner, boosted his power to a different dimension of strength, changed his Ki from its previously recognizable state, even giving him the same aura as a Super Saiyan. It basically parallels the transformation, there's no sense in him being comparable to one prior to then.

You're right. And that power-up allowed him to outstrip the Super Saiyans, as well as change his character entirely. The change was more than just power.

No matter how we choose to look at it, Piccolo had a ridiculous increase in power. Even if you have him only as strong as 50% Freeza (which the story doesn't show at all, in my opinion, but let's assume he's around that level) by the Android saga, it's still a stupendous power-up that would've otherwise only been accessible with a transformation akin to the Super Saiyan. Merging with Kami just took him even further than that.

[kuartus4]

How strong androids #19 and #20 were is its own subject of debate. All I'll say is that, #19 absorbing Goku's Super Saiyan energy then draining a substantial amount of SSj Vegeta's energy while adding it to his own, yet still getting out-powered by him doesn't suggest the pair being that strong initially.

Android 19 post goku absorbtions can't be multifolds below ssj vegeta. He made ssj vegeta bleed with a punch.

[hleV]

Against #19, wasn't SS Goku supposed to be much stronger than he actually was due to the heart virus? I remember Piccolo saying something along those lines.

[TheMightyOzaru]

We're not ignoring it, it's just an illogical conclusion to come to when Nappa can blow up an entire city with 0 effort.

My conclusion regarding the area that it was meant to destroy was that it wasn't a minimal attack. Period. Whenever in Dragon Ball a minimal attack strikes, it always destroys less than a area of great size, even if, logically speaking, a minimal attack from a character from the android arc should be a very powerful attack in the Saiyan arc, but Dragon Ball is never consistent to that degree in terms of damage.

That it was significantly powerful, I got from Krillin's reaction. Not from the size of the area. Like I said, I only mentioned that because it implies that it was not a minimal attack. Krillin's reaction is more consistent, telling and important.

And why is Krillin's reaction important? He's freaking Krillin. Vegeta is over 8,000 miles ahead of these guys, Piccolo aside, and even then Piccolo was heavily suppressed.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Piccolo does say Goku's Super Saiyan power is much better than he was showing:

Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P8.4-5, P9.
Piccolo: “Have you noticed too, Gohan?...”
Gohan: “Y-yes…”
Piccolo: “Son Goku is rushing the match for some reason…He’s already putting out close to his full power…But even so, what’s with that miserable condition of his?...”
Tenshinhan: “Th-that miserable condition…!? What are you talking about? Goku’s overwhelmingly pushing him back…!”
Piccolo: “It’s not that. As a Super Saiyan, Goku’s power should be more stupendous than this…”
Note: Several people thought this quote was contradictory, due to how Piccolo says Goku is using almost his full power but should have much better power than that. To me though it seems pretty straightforward: Goku is using almost all the power he has in his current sick condition, but Piccolo realizes Goku's full power should be much more than that.

[Son_Gohan]

Probably because Super Saiyan was still considered to be the most powerful form in the eyes of everyone else. And it was.

The way I read Krillin's quote is that Piccolo is fighting at a level only a Super Saiyan should be capable of. The first thing he comments on is Piccolo's incredible strength, with Tenshinhan later remarking how he hated seeing Vegeta and Piccolo so powerful. The Super Saiyans are still in their own tier at that point, but Piccolo is as well

Piccolo was already shown making incredible gains through sheer training without the need of the Saiyan zenkai or transformations. Just because the Saiyans need Super Saiyan to reach a certain level doesn't mean Piccolo can't reach that level alone. Both are entirely different. Also, I don't see how this actually takes away from the importance of Freeza. All of the people who even mention him are so much weaker than him (Sans Kaioshin) that it's nothing more than a reference to the last bad guy. Piccolo surpassing Freeza before fusing with Kami doesn't change that.

The Base Saiyans never once showed they were even as strong as 50% Freeza without Kaio-Ken X20 or Super Saiyan. Piccolo's dominance of a powered-up #20 is much better than Super Saiyan Goku's battle with #19, so Piccolo should at the very least be considered above 50% Freeza based on that alone. My point is Piccolo's limits are much different than the Base Saiyans. That didn't suddenly change by the Android saga. He spent 3 yrs sparring with Super Saiyan Goku and Gohan, while leaving the latter in the dust. Piccolo greatly exceeds the Base Saiyans naturally because he can defeat the Androids while the Saiyans can't without transforming. When taking that into consideration, there's no telling how strong he could grow through training alone--whereas we're shown that the Saiyans have a wall. Well, Vegeta at least.

And Piccolo doesn't even need to be 150 million. I could see Krillin making that statement if he's 120-140 million, too. I just think based on what we're shown, he's at least stronger than Super Saiyan Goku was against #19--who, while weaker, was still pretty strong. The "Super Saiyan" isn't just some wall of power only accessible to those who are Super Saiyan. Heck, Kid Future Trunks was a Super Saiyan--and at best, he's probably only a bit stronger or slightly weaker than Future Base Gohan. Surely Piccolo would've been stronger than both after training with someone as powerful as Super Saiyan Goku.

You're right. And that power-up allowed him to outstrip the Super Saiyans, as well as change his character entirely. The change was more than just power.

No matter how we choose to look at it, Piccolo had a ridiculous increase in power. Even if you have him only as strong as 50% Freeza (which the story doesn't show at all, in my opinion, but let's assume he's around that level) by the Android saga, it's still a stupendous power-up that would've otherwise only been accessible with a transformation akin to the Super Saiyan. Merging with Kami just took him even further than that.

The remarks on Piccolo’s strength came only after he beats up #20 for a while; it was not a direct reaction to his Ki getting geared for battle. That gives the impression that their statements were made judging by sight and not through feeling of Ki, since their enemy does not give off any. Nor does Trunks make any distinction of it being anything special other than a “fighting Ki” when he senses it. Piccolo then declares afterwards that:

Chapter: 347 (DBZ 153), P3.2-3
Piccolo: “It seems that in the original history, we were supposed to be wiped out by you two androids…But it looks like the future has changed somehow…Was it that you weren’t as strong as we thought?...Or have we grown too strong?...

If one thing is for certain, these Androids they were fighting weren’t the ones whose strength had been prophesized. However weaker you may place them; Piccolo’s power would be reflected to a far greater degree than it actually is in regards to who they thought they were dealing with. That is all their comments could be based upon; there is no real need for Piccolo to have grown that strong.

Whatever gains Piccolo made on Kaio’s planet is debatable, but his power only became on par with Freeza’s by assimilating Nail; not from training. So it gravely depreciates the power scale by having him increase over a hundred million, when he could never even reach 500,000 on his own.

Piccolo was simply the only one who tried fighting them in spite of what had been prophesized, everyone else gave in to intimidation. That doesn’t mean the Saiyans could not do so without transforming, a sick Base Goku and Base Gohan managed to knock the top right off #20’s head when they actually attempted to attack in that state.

Piccolo does train alone in the RoSaT for one whole year and his power still is no longer relevant after leaving it. So there surely is a limit to how strong he becomes--that is determined by the plot--which no longer supports him, and wasn’t when he trained for 3 years either.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

The remarks on Piccolo’s strength came only after he beats up #20 for a while; it was not a direct reaction to his Ki getting geared for battle. That gives the impression that their statements were made judging by sight and not through feeling of Ki, since their enemy does not give off any. Nor does Trunks make any distinction of it being anything special other than a “fighting Ki” when he senses it.

He immediately starts knocking #20 around after removing his weights, so there was no need for a visible power-up. He started using his power as he began to fight. The same happens when Trunks arrives to fight Freeza. His power wasn't sensed until he sliced up Freeza's henchmen.

I don't see why Trunks would need to consider the Chi special. He was trying to locate where the others were and simply mentioned that they were fighting elsewhere.

Chapter: 347 (DBZ 153), P3.2-3
Piccolo: “It seems that in the original history, we were supposed to be wiped out by you two androids…But it looks like the future has changed somehow…Was it that you weren’t as strong as we thought?...Or have we grown too strong?...

If one thing is for certain, these Androids they were fighting weren’t the ones whose strength had been prophesized. However weaker you may place them; Piccolo’s power would be reflected to a far greater degree than it actually is in regards to who they thought they were dealing with. That is all their comments could be based upon; there is no real need for Piccolo to have grown that strong.

The possibility is left open when considering the above. It's very conceivable that Piccolo grew strong enough to the point where he was rivaling the previous level of power the Super Saiyans possessed; but of course, there's also the possibility that he wasn't all that impressive as well.

This only tells us they're weaker than the real Androids and says nothing about how they compare to Freeza or anyone beforehand. I have to disagree with you there. It was totally important for Piccolo to have grown that strong through training. It allowed his merge with Kami to be that much more effective. Krillin even says this to Trunks when talking about the potential of Piccolo and Kami's assimilation. If Piccolo didn't make great leaps in power, he wouldn't be strong enough to fight #17 or #18 upon merging. So Piccolo acquiring a significant power-up from his training was a necessary part of the plot.

Whatever gains Piccolo made on Kaio’s planet is debatable, but his power only became on par with Freeza’s by assimilating Nail; not from training. So it gravely depreciates the power scale by having him increase over a hundred million, when he could never even reach 500,000 on his own.

According to Piccolo and Nail, he gained immense power from Kaio's training. As you said, it's debatable--but the story tells us he made respectable gains after training with Kaio for a few days. You also have Piccolo going from 408 to about 3,500 while training alone--and teaching Gohan how to fight as well. It's only right that'll he grow much more sparring with someone who's superior to him by a wide margin.

Piccolo was simply the only one who tried fighting them in spite of what had been prophesized, everyone else gave in to intimidation. That doesn’t mean the Saiyans could not do so without transforming, a sick Base Goku and Base Gohan managed to knock the top right off #20’s head when they actually attempted to attack in that state.

Piccolo told Gohan and the others to stay away from #20 if they encountered him--because they were no match for him. Piccolo had an understanding of #20's capabilities because he felt his eye laser a bit earlier and said it wasn't strong enough to stop him. Goku had yet to show the effects of the virus and his attack yielded no damage; same with Gohan, which was a surprise attack, anyway. Even Base Vegeta's able to knock #19 away from Goku, but understands he'll need to go Super Saiyan to win the fight.

Piccolo does train alone in the RoSaT for one whole year and his power still is no longer relevant after leaving it. So there surely is a limit to how strong he becomes--that is determined by the plot--which no longer supports him, and wasn’t when he trained for 3 years either.

Piccolo also was said to have grown quite powerful after training in there by Goku himself. Of course his power wasn't up to par to compete with Cell and the Super Saiyans, but this in no way goes against Piccolo making noticeable gains after training. Like I said above, his new power allowed his assimilation to be that much better.

[Son_Gohan]

He immediately starts knocking #20 around after removing his weights, so there was no need for a visible power-up. He started using his power as he began to fight. The same happens when Trunks arrives to fight Freeza. His power wasn't sensed until he sliced up Freeza's henchmen.

I don't see why Trunks would need to consider the Chi special. He was trying to locate where the others were and simply mentioned that they were fighting elsewhere.

The possibility is left open when considering the above. It's very conceivable that Piccolo grew strong enough to the point where he was rivaling the previous level of power the Super Saiyans possessed; but of course, there's also the possibility that he wasn't all that impressive as well.

This only tells us they're weaker than the real Androids and says nothing about how they compare to Freeza or anyone beforehand. I have to disagree with you there. It was totally important for Piccolo to have grown that strong through training. It allowed his merge with Kami to be that much more effective. Krillin even says this to Trunks when talking about the potential of Piccolo and Kami's assimilation. If Piccolo didn't make great leaps in power, he wouldn't be strong enough to fight #17 or #18 upon merging. So Piccolo acquiring a significant power-up from his training was a necessary part of the plot.

According to Piccolo and Nail, he gained immense power from Kaio's training. As you said, it's debatable--but the story tells us he made respectable gains after training with Kaio for a few days. You also have Piccolo going from 408 to about 3,500 while training alone--and teaching Gohan how to fight as well. It's only right that'll he grow much more sparring with someone who's superior to him by a wide margin.

Piccolo told Gohan and the others to stay away from #20 if they encountered him--because they were no match for him. Piccolo had an understanding of #20's capabilities because he felt his eye laser a bit earlier and said it wasn't strong enough to stop him. Goku had yet to show the effects of the virus and his attack yielded no damage; same with Gohan, which was a surprise attack, anyway. Even Base Vegeta's able to knock #19 away from Goku, but understands he'll need to go Super Saiyan to win the fight.

Piccolo also was said to have grown quite powerful after training in there by Goku himself. Of course his power wasn't up to par to compete with Cell and the Super Saiyans, but this in no way goes against Piccolo making noticeable gains after training. Like I said above, his new power allowed his assimilation to be that much better.

That’s my point, Piccolo’s true power would reveal itself the moment he began fighting, but no one comments on it then. The compliments on his strength came as result of witnessing him manhandle a guy perceived to possess the power to eradicate them. So he’s portrayed as being strong relative to the situation at hand. Trunks’ response to detecting Piccolo’s power from afar is particularly meaningful in this discussion because if you’re arguing that he should have strength rivaling SSj Goku & Freeza at the time, that’s a really big deal. Yet the story is not placing weight on his power to emphasize that through some qualifier pertained to someone actually sensing his ki, as one would expect when holding such significance:

Chapter: 362 (DBZ 168), P2.1-2
Trunks: “I feel another stupendous ki…! There’s someone else!! Someone else I don’t know!!”
Kuririn: “It’s Piccolo!!!”
Note: so in other words, Trunks considers both Cell and Piccolo’s ki as ‘stupendous’.

Chapter: 367 (DBZ 173), P14.3-5
Cell: “This fierce ki belongs to Piccolo, now that he’s merged with God...! And the only opponents who he’d fight with this much power are…No.17 and No.18! I’ve found you! What good timing! I’ll be there soon! Just you wait! My power already surpasses yours!”

So I don’t find the plot readily supports him being that strong. Clearly he powered up, but by that much? It’s completely unnecessary. Kami’s power probably does not even crack 500, the power-up is viewed no less outrageous if Piccolo had reached Freeza’s 3rd or 4th form. Which is far more realistic given the previous fruits of his training; let him first break two million before even considering tens of millions, a hundred million… that thought comes off as far more outrageous in my opinion. Especially where one case demands his power to be transparently strong to serve the plot and the other does not.

[Bejiita]

Just wanted to mention, that if Goku is capable of managing a Kaioken X20 Kamehameha, during his fight with Freeza (which actually hurt Freeza) imagine how much Goku's body can withstand at the end of the series, he's trained in the room of spirit and time, experienced many near death experiences, to be logical he has toughened up immensely, people forget that just because SSJ came on the scene Goku can't still use the Kaioken if need be.

I would've thought that Goku can withstand a level of Kaioken that's incomparable to when he fought Freeza, and if a 20X Kaioken gave Freeza a bit of trouble, then I doubt he'd handle say, a Kaioken X100, which Goku would easily manage, I ain't gonna do the math, but at the least, I think Goku could multiply the Kaioken to 200X by the end of the series, which would obliterate Freeza, and that would count as Goku in base form.

I don't think you have to backtrack through pages of manga to prove this since either. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[hleV]

Just wanted to mention, that if Goku is capable of managing a Kaioken X20 Kamehameha, during his fight with Freeza (which actually hurt Freeza) imagine how much Goku's body can withstand at the end of the series

At 8,000 he could do KKx4. At 3,000,000, he could do KKx20. His BP increased 375 times, yet his maximum KK increased just 5 times. I don't think one can go above KKx20.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I don't think one can go above KKx20.

Same here. I believe that the limit is x20 in the manga, and x100 in the anime (Goku uses it against Slug). Super Saiyan gives a x50 increase, so the body isn't able to take a x100 (50x2) or x1.000(50x20) increase without transforming further, but in the anime, it's only possible for an instant for a Super Saiyan Full Power (Super Kaio-ken), but not for the further transformations. As for God Base Goku in BoG, he can't use it either, because his body is maxed in base by the God power. That's how I view Kaio-ken personally.

[TheGmGoken]

I don't think one can go above KKx20.

Same here. I believe that the limit is x20 in the manga, and x100 in the anime (Goku uses it against Slug). Super Saiyan gives a x50 increase, so the body isn't able to take a x100 (50x2) or x1.000(50x20) increase without transforming further, but in the anime, it's only possible for an instant (Super Kaio-ken). As for God Base Goku in BoG, he can't use it either, because his body is maxed in base by the God power. That's how I view Kaio-ken personally.

Could Kaioken work for SSG? Seeing as Kaioken is a God attack with SSG being your maxed power(Till your base get stronger)

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Could Kaioken work for SSG? Seeing as Kaioken is a God attack with SSG being your maxed power(Till your base get stronger)

I don't believe Kaio-ken can be used in any form but normal base.

[Kakashi]

I am still waiting for someone to show me how Frieza > Base Saiyans is possible

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I am still waiting for someone to show me how Freeza > Base Saiyans is possible

And I'm still waiting for someone to show me how Freeza < Base Saiyans is possible. All I've seen so far is assumptions based on assumptions.

[TheGmGoken]

I am still waiting for someone to show me how Freeza > Base Saiyans is possible

Goku 115 million

Freeza 120 million

It's possible

[Kakashi]

I am still waiting for someone to show me how Freeza > Base Saiyans is possible

And I'm still waiting for someone to show me how Freeza < Base Saiyans is possible. All I've seen so far is assumptions based on assumptions.

The fact that Androids Saga Piccolo should be far stronger than SSjin Trunks when he beat Frieza and that Imperfect Cell was several times stronger than Kamiccolo based on how he tanked Piccolo's Light Grenade prove it

The gaps in the Cell Saga make it impossible to have Frieza > Base Saiyans

The Boo Arc also shows how Kaioshin is impressed at the Base Saiyans but said he can one shit Frieza and no way in hell that Kaioshin can one shot the Base Saiyans when he is much weaker than the rest of the Kaioshins who are much weaker than SSjin Gohan

TheGmGoken, how is it possible? The Cell Saga proves that Cell Games Goku must be way ahead of Frieza as the gaps were huge.

Sick SSjin Goku is even implied to be at least as strong as Yardat SSjin Goku. Now tell me how the rest can make Boo Arc Base Goku weaker than Frieza. BOG Goku is also stronger than Boo Arc Goku

[TheMightyOzaru]

Again, you're pulling numbers from a hat . I just take into account that Piccolo was fatigued. I also run on a decreased attack multiplier theory. As there strength got absurdly high, they couldn't amplify there already absurd amount of energy as much.
Imperfect Cell: 500,000,000
Piccolo: 360,000,000
-Fatigued: 300,000,000
---Light Grenade: 450,000,000
Impossible for them to be weaker than Freeza? I don't know, I made it work:

Spoiler:

Defiance in the Face of Despair!!
Adult Gohan: 3,400,000
Kid Trunks: 72,000
SSJ Kid Trunks: 3,600,000
SSJ Adult Gohan: 170,000,000
Cyborg #17: 330,000,000
Cyborg #18: 320,000,000
Trunks: 2,800,000
SSJ Trunks: 140,000,000

The Artificial Humans Appear
Goku: 5,400,000
Gohan: 3,200,000
Krillin: 230,000
Tenshinhan: 180,000
Yamcha: 90,000
Cyborg #19: 30,000,000
Cyborg #20: 60,000,000
SSJ Goku(Heart Virus): 270,000,000-
Cyborg #19(Energy Absorbed): 180,000,000
Vegeta: 5,600,000
SSJ Vegeta: 280,000,000
SSJ Vegeta(Energy Taken): 240,000,000
Cyborg #19(More Energy Absorbed): 220,000,000
-Big Bang Attack: 300,000,000
Cyborg #20(Energy Absorbed): 140,000,000
Piccolo: 180,000,000
Trunks: 5,100,000
SSJ Trunks: 255,000,000
Cyborg #17: 360,000,000
Cyborg #18: 350,000,000
Kami: 220
Piccolo(Fused W/ Kami): 360,000,000
Imperfect Cell: 320,000,000

The Room of Spirit and Time
Cyborg #17: 360,000,000
Cyborg #18: 350,000,000
Piccolo: 360,000,000
Piccolo(Tired): 300,000,000
-Light Grenade: 450,000,000
Imperfect Cell: 500,000,000
Cyborg #16: 500,000,000
Semi-Perfect Cell(Suppressed): 680,000,000
Vegeta: 14,400,000
SSJ Vegeta: 720,000,000
SSJG2 Vegeta: 1,080,000,000
Semi-Perfect Cell: 860,000,000
Trunks: 14,200,000
SSJ Trunks: 710,000,000
SSJG2 Trunks: 1,065,000,000
-Final Flash: 2,160,000,000
SSJG3 Trunks: 1,420,000,000
Perfect Cell(Suppressed): 1,210,000,000
Buff Perfect Cell(Suppressed): 1,815,000,000
RESSJ Goku: 496,000,000
RESSJ Gohan: 596,000,000
FPSSJ Goku(Half): 1,240,000,000

The Cell Games
Vegeta: 36,000,000
Cyborg #16: 500,000,000
Trunks: 34,000,000
Piccolo: 900,000,000
Krillin: 250,000
Tenshinhan: 200,000
Yamcha: 100,000
Mr Satan: 12
RESSJ Goku: 500,000,000
RESSJ Gohan: 600,000,000
FPSSJ Goku: 2,500,000,000
Perfect Cell(Suppressed Against Goku): 2,600,000,000
-Shunkan Idou Kamehameha: 3,000,000,000
FPSSJ Gohan: 3,000,000,000
Perfect Cell(Suppressed Against Gohan): 3,200,000,000
Cell Jr: 2,000,000,000
FPSSJ Vegeta: 1,800,000,000
FPSSJ Trunks: 1,700,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan: 7,500,000,000
Perfect Cell: 4,500,000,000
Perfect Cell(Injured): 3,000,000,000
Buff Perfect Cell: 7,000,000,000
Super Perfect Cell: 7,500,000,000
-Solar Kamehameha: 9,000,000,000
-Father-Son Kamehameha: 9,600,000,000