Not really. He added a cape; a mere piece of clothing. Goten and Trunks actually morphed Buu's body, which indicates larger influence.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Boo absorbed SS3 Gotenks, meaning that the Fusion should last for 5 minutes. However, probably because of Boo's stamina, the Fusion lasted for full 30 minutes. So, when Boo reverted, Gotenks split back into Goten & Trunks. Piccolo didn't came out stronger than base Gotenks, he came out stronger than base Goten & Trunks.
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Re: Who's Stronger: Janemba or Hirudegarn.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Re: Who's Stronger: Janemba or Hirudegarn.
Perhaps I overstated. He's stronger than Goku, just not by much, since Piccolo still wasn't too sure he could take care of fatso.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:How is that a fact?kuartus4 wrote:There's also the fact that SSJ Gotenks(pre)~SSJ3 Goku.
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Yeah, but Goten & Trunks were in base inside Boo.RandomGuy96 wrote:Not really. He added a cape; a mere piece of clothing. Goten and Trunks actually morphed Buu's body, which indicates larger influence.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Piccolo never showed any doubts about SS Goten against Innocent Boo.kuartus4 wrote:Perhaps I overstated. He's stronger than Goku, just not by much, since Piccolo still wasn't too sure he could take care of fatso.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Who's Stronger: Janemba or Hirudegarn.
Yeah, Super Boo. Trunks says he thinks they've improved enough to at least equal Boo in normal fusion. As arrogant as he can be, that seems like a fair assessment. The issue here is that he underestimated Super Boo a whole lot. Super Boo probably wasn't emitting much Chi when he arrived on the lookout, so they probably thought whatever level he was at was likely his best. You can never get a good feel until they power-up and start fighting, so I can see why Trunks thought Base would be enough to fight him on an even level.
The only thing Piccolo seemed to wonder about is Super Saiyan Gotenks's speed. His Chi seemed to be good enough. That and his limited time to fight were why Piccolo wanted Gotenks to not bother trying to fight Boo.
The only thing Piccolo seemed to wonder about is Super Saiyan Gotenks's speed. His Chi seemed to be good enough. That and his limited time to fight were why Piccolo wanted Gotenks to not bother trying to fight Boo.
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It also fits with the D7 statement about (base) Gotenks surpassing (SS2) Vegeta.Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:Yeah, Super Boo. Trunks says he thinks they've improved enough to at least equal Boo in normal fusion. As arrogant as he can be, that seems like a fair assessment. The issue here is that he underestimated Super Boo a whole lot. Super Boo probably wasn't emitting much Chi when he arrived on the lookout, so they probably thought whatever level he was at was likely his best. You can never get a good feel until they power-up and start fighting, so I can see why Trunks thought Base would be enough to fight him on an even level.
He wanted to see his movement in general actually, meaning that he just wanted to see him in action.Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:The only thing Piccolo seemed to wonder about is Super Saiyan Gotenks's speed. His Chi seemed to be good enough. That and his limited time to fight.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Who's Stronger: Janemba or Hirudegarn.
Maybe its just me, but that's what it seemed like when he questioned SSJ Gotenks speed.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Piccolo never showed any doubts about SS Goten against Innocent Boo.
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Re: Who's Stronger: Janemba or Hirudegarn.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean he can't draw out their full power for absorption. I'd find it quite silly if he couldn't. And again, Goten and Trunks had more influence than Piccolo.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Yeah, but Goten & Trunks were in base inside Boo.RandomGuy96 wrote:Not really. He added a cape; a mere piece of clothing. Goten and Trunks actually morphed Buu's body, which indicates larger influence.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Piccolo never showed any doubts about SS Goten against Innocent Boo.kuartus4 wrote:Perhaps I overstated. He's stronger than Goku, just not by much, since Piccolo still wasn't too sure he could take care of fatso.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Who's Stronger: Janemba or Hirudegarn.
I think movement goes hand-in-hand with speed. Gotenks makes note of how slow Piccolo was, and how he should be convinced by his speed alone that Boo has no chance. We know power doesn't have to always equal great speed.
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Re: Who's Stronger: Janemba or Hirudegarn.
He just wanted to see him in action, that's all. Like in other cases, one can't just show his true power just by standing around.kuartus4 wrote:Maybe its just me, but that's what it seemed like when he questioned SSJ Gotenks speed.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Piccolo never showed any doubts about SS Goten against Innocent Boo.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Who's Stronger: Janemba or Hirudegarn.
That's not known though. We don't know how long Super Buu's and Gotenks fight was. It might have been less than 15 minutes and Super Buu would assume that's how long Gotenks fusion could last. Also Super Buu didn't know about SSJ3 shortening their fusion. So lets say their fight was 14 minutes long up till Gotenks defuses. Super Buu would probably assume 14 minutes was the time limit. And since he had no idea about SSJ3 shortening the fusion down to about 5 minutes, he would assume Gotenks could stay fused for the whole 14 minutes. After 4 minutes he would think the fusion had 10 minutes left when in reality it only had 1 minute left.Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:That's a good point. Boo does tell Gohan he has 10 mins left during their battle, so he definitely stretched the fusion time.
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Re: Who's Stronger: Janemba or Hirudegarn.
Boo does know.
After he gets knocked off of the lookout, Gotenks yells out that his time is limited to 5 mins in his Super Saiyan 3 form. Boo goes on to mention this to Gohan--which is why he said he stalled for time before Gotenks was able to merge again.
After he gets knocked off of the lookout, Gotenks yells out that his time is limited to 5 mins in his Super Saiyan 3 form. Boo goes on to mention this to Gohan--which is why he said he stalled for time before Gotenks was able to merge again.
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Re: Who's Stronger: Janemba or Hirudegarn.
And since Boo absorbed Gotenks, he gets all his knowledge & memories.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Who's Stronger: Janemba or Hirudegarn.
I just checked...and I was kinda off.
He just says his time is limited before having to wait another hr.
But like KOSDH says, he should retain full knowledge of everything Gotenks always knows.
Also, this is pretty interesting:
He just says his time is limited before having to wait another hr.
But like KOSDH says, he should retain full knowledge of everything Gotenks always knows.
Also, this is pretty interesting:
Based on the above, I'd say how their fusion ends could be a random occurrence. When we see the fusion end, they reverted to Base Gotenks; when they reverted in the rosat, they split back into two. This is most likely what happened inside of Boo.Trunks: “…But its weak point is time…See…We’re only able to become it for about 5 minutes…Then even our Fusion comes undone and we turn back into two people…”
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Re: Who's Stronger: Janemba or Hirudegarn.
The way he says "then even our fusion becomes undone" seems like it refers to an event which follows in time , as in SSJ3 runs out, then the fusion runs out, which fits perfectly with what we actually see happen.Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:I just checked...and I was kinda off.
He just says his time is limited before having to wait another hr.
But like KOSDH says, he should retain full knowledge of everything Gotenks always knows.
Also, this is pretty interesting:
Based on the above, I'd say how their fusion ends could be a random occurrence. When we see the fusion end, they reverted to Base Gotenks; when they reverted in the rosat, they split back into two. This is most likely what happened inside of Boo.Trunks: “…But its weak point is time…See…We’re only able to become it for about 5 minutes…Then even our Fusion comes undone and we turn back into two people…”
And where is it stated that Buu absorbs the knowledge and memories of the people he absorbs?
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Re: Who's Stronger: Janemba or Hirudegarn.
When Buu absorbs Piccolo, he starts quoting him during his fight with Gohan. He also starts using Gohan's name, which he never used before.kuartus4 wrote: And where is it stated that Buu absorbs the knowledge and memories of the people he absorbs?
When he absorbs Gohan, he reveals that he knows that Goku, Vegeta, Goten, Gohan, and Trunks are Saiyans, and that Piccolo is a Namek, which he would have no way of knowing before absorbing them.
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Re: Who's Stronger: Janemba or Hirudegarn.
When they initially meet, Super Buu and Gohan didn't really do much talking. Plus Super Buu would have heard Trunks when he called out Gohan's name. I was unable to find everything else you mentioned in the scanlations I checked. You sure all that wasn't just anime filler? I did find this though:Kamiccolo9 wrote:When Buu absorbs Piccolo, he starts quoting him during his fight with Gohan. He also starts using Gohan's name, which he never used before.kuartus4 wrote: And where is it stated that Buu absorbs the knowledge and memories of the people he absorbs?
When he absorbs Gohan, he reveals that he knows that Goku, Vegeta, Goten, Gohan, and Trunks are Saiyans, and that Piccolo is a Namek, which he would have no way of knowing before absorbing them.
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Gotenks Buu doesn't know who Dende is. He should if he absorbed their memories.