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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by Demon of Light » Fri May 15, 2015 11:05 pm

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Demon of Light wrote:The Abridged Series' cast are actually my favored English voices for the characters, over many of the official voice actors (the main exception is Freeza, I love Chris Ayres and LittleKuriboh's performances equally). Team Four Star are an incredibly talented bunch, and unlike a lot of anime voice actors, I never feel like they're phoning their performances in. And they're more than just funny guys - the Cell Saga in particular (Trunks Special included) has displayed their ability to play things out with as much emotional impact as the original anime, sometimes even more. I would definitely enjoy any hypothetical official dub by them, provided the end produce is identical or near-identical to the original in terms of content. Realistically, they would likely choose some different voices for several characters, considering how some of them are throwbacks to previous dub voices that were too hilarious not to make fun of, like Space Australia!Jeice. Though I'll be honest, if anyone could make me believe in Space Australia!Jeice as a legitimate character, it's Team Four Star.

(Disclaimer: I do not actually want Space Australia!Jeice outside of The Abridged Series.)
Are we on Bizarro world?

I don't think they're talented, much less capable of delivering a good legit dub. This is a parody show, so I fail to see how they are capable of delivering anything with emotional impact, and certainly not to the same extent as the original anime. What scene has as much emotional impact as the original?
I don't quite appreciate your tone, but I guess it can't be helped. But, off the top of my head, many moments in TFS's Trunks special felt as heart-wrenching as they were originally, to me, and I think they've been doing a very good job at straightforwardly presenting Cell as a terrifying monster. Just a few recent examples. That's my opinion.

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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by ABED » Fri May 15, 2015 11:19 pm

That's probably because tone and my sense of humor doesn't seem to translate through the internet. I thought the Bizarro World reference would be enough that you could see it was being lighthearted, though I still disagree a lot with your views on this subject. I've seen clips of the TFS Trunks special and even the opening scene of Goku's death is played for laughs but you found that as sad as the anime? Well, maybe the scene itself isn't played for laughs, but the constant jokes undercut any sadness.
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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Sat May 16, 2015 12:21 am

ABED wrote:That's probably because tone and my sense of humor doesn't seem to translate through the internet. I thought the Bizarro World reference would be enough that you could see it was being lighthearted, though I still disagree a lot with your views on this subject. I've seen clips of the TFS Trunks special and even the opening scene of Goku's death is played for laughs but you found that as sad as the anime? Well, maybe the scene itself isn't played for laughs, but the constant jokes undercut any sadness.
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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by rereboy » Sat May 16, 2015 8:25 am

ABED wrote:That's probably because tone and my sense of humor doesn't seem to translate through the internet. I thought the Bizarro World reference would be enough that you could see it was being lighthearted, though I still disagree a lot with your views on this subject. I've seen clips of the TFS Trunks special and even the opening scene of Goku's death is played for laughs but you found that as sad as the anime? Well, maybe the scene itself isn't played for laughs, but the constant jokes undercut any sadness.
Thinking that the Teamfourstar guys have zero talent does seem straight out of a bizarro world place.

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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by ABED » Sat May 16, 2015 8:34 am

rereboy wrote:
ABED wrote:That's probably because tone and my sense of humor doesn't seem to translate through the internet. I thought the Bizarro World reference would be enough that you could see it was being lighthearted, though I still disagree a lot with your views on this subject. I've seen clips of the TFS Trunks special and even the opening scene of Goku's death is played for laughs but you found that as sad as the anime? Well, maybe the scene itself isn't played for laughs, but the constant jokes undercut any sadness.
Thinking that the Teamfourstar guys have zero talent does seem straight out of a bizarro world place.
They have editing talent, but that's as far as I go.
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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by rereboy » Sat May 16, 2015 8:37 am

ABED wrote:They have editing talent, but that's as far as I go.
I guess anyone could do the dubbing then. Zero telent required.

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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by ABED » Sat May 16, 2015 8:39 am

rereboy wrote:
ABED wrote:They have editing talent, but that's as far as I go.
I guess anyone could do the dubbing then. Zero telent required.
It's not like the dubbing is good. The dialog and the mouth flaps are often not in synch and I'd hardly call it acting. It's fine for what it is since it's a parody, even though I don't find it funny at all, but I don't think it requires much talent to do bad impersonations. I'm not knocking the impersonations by calling them bad, I think that's the point. It's akin to an SNL sketch.
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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by rereboy » Sat May 16, 2015 8:43 am

ABED wrote: It's not like the dubbing is good. The dialog and the mouth flaps are often not in synch and I'd hardly call it acting. It's fine for what it is since it's a parody, even though I don't find it funny at all, but I don't think it requires much talent to do bad impersonations. I'm not knocking the impersonations by calling them bad, I think that's the point.
So, they have some dubbing talent after all?

Btw, the mouth flaps are often more in sync than in the original anime because they can and often edit the mouth flaps to their liking and to their dubbing, something that people dubbing the original anime can't do. But obviously their skills at that and other things improved over time.

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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by ABED » Sat May 16, 2015 8:45 am

rereboy wrote:
ABED wrote: It's not like the dubbing is good. The dialog and the mouth flaps are often not in synch and I'd hardly call it acting. It's fine for what it is since it's a parody, even though I don't find it funny at all, but I don't think it requires much talent to do bad impersonations. I'm not knocking the impersonations by calling them bad, I think that's the point.
So, they have some dubbing talent after all?

Btw, the mouth flaps are often more in sync than in the original anime because they can and often edit the mouth flaps to their liking and to their dubbing, something that people dubbing the original anime can't do.
How'd you get there from what I wrote?

That's more of an editing trick than an acting thing.
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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by rereboy » Sat May 16, 2015 8:46 am

ABED wrote:How'd you get there from what I wrote?
"The dialog and the mouth flaps are often not in synch".
That's more of an editing trick than an acting thing.
Just answering to your statement.

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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by ABED » Sat May 16, 2015 8:49 am

rereboy wrote:
ABED wrote:How'd you get there from what I wrote?
"The dialog and the mouth flaps are often not in synch".
That's more of an editing trick than an acting thing.
Just answering to your statement.
I was referring to your comment "So now they have acting talent?" No, I don't think what I wrote lends itself to such an inference. A bad impersonation, however intentional, doesn't take talent. Anyone can do a bad Larry King, Christopher Walken, or Chris Sabat impression.

And I see plenty of times that they aren't in synch. The dub actually does a better job of synching the dialog to the mouth flaps than even the original.
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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by rereboy » Sat May 16, 2015 9:03 am

ABED wrote: I was referring to your comment "So now they have acting talent?"
Ah, it was a question referring to this: " I don't think it requires much talent to do bad impersonations. "
No, I don't think what I wrote lends itself to such an inference. A bad impersonation, however intentional, doesn't take talent. Anyone can do a bad Larry King, Christopher Walken, or Chris Sabat impression.
To me, it seems obvious that not anyone would do as well as them. If it requires zero talent, you could literally pick anyone from the street and he would do as good as them. Such a claim seems to be of the so called bizarro world like you mentioned. Especially since there are other clips of the show out there with fans dubbing the voices (or there have been over the years) which are way worse.
And I see plenty of times that they aren't in synch. The dub actually does a better job of synching the dialog to the mouth flaps than even the original.
I disagree and I even explained why it isn't the case, especially in later episodes.

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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by ABED » Sat May 16, 2015 9:11 am

rereboy wrote:
ABED wrote:I was referring to your comment "So now they have acting talent?"
Ah, it was a question referring to this: " I don't think it requires much talent to do bad impersonations. "
No, I don't think what I wrote lends itself to such an inference. A bad impersonation, however intentional, doesn't take talent. Anyone can do a bad Larry King, Christopher Walken, or Chris Sabat impression.
To me, it seems obvious that not anyone would do as well as them. If it requires zero talent, you could literally pick anyone from the street and he would do as good as them. Such a claim seems to be of the so called bizarro world like you mentioned.
And I see plenty of times that they aren't in synch. The dub actually does a better job of synching the dialog to the mouth flaps than even the original.
I disagree and I even explained why it isn't the case, especially in later episodes.
1 - That's being pedantic.
2 - As well as what? Anyone could do those impressions. That's fine if it's the aesthetic they were going for, but if they were going for good impressions, they missed the mark.
3 - Perhaps they did get better, but that's a technical issue and has no baring on their acting ability. It's fine editing. However, in the early episodes, it's rough around the edges.
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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by rereboy » Sat May 16, 2015 9:20 am

If you say so.

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Post by ABED » Sat May 16, 2015 9:30 am

Do you really think those are great impressions?
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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by rereboy » Sat May 16, 2015 10:13 am

ABED wrote:Do you really think those are great impressions?
I think they are great at what they do, which is a humorous parody Dub of Dragon Ball Z and pretty much all their voices feel and sound good at doing that. I don't know if they are good impressions of the american Dub because I'm not that familiar with the voices of the american Dub.

As for them doing a serious and official Dub, I've already offered my opinion:
rereboy wrote:I think its clear that they are talented enough to be professionals in the editing and dubbing business.

But, of course, that doesn't guarantee that a serious and official Dub done by them would be great since that depends on a lot of things.

In short, I would be glad to see their talents recognized and getting them nice things in the business, but for a serious Dub of Dragon Ball by the team I honestly don't think we can really be sure of how it would turn out.
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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by MCDaveG » Sat May 16, 2015 10:15 am

I did enjoy the Abridged and it made me laugh, but it got pretty old later. I think that Team Four Star is overrated, everyone brings it up, but after so much episodes and jokes, it started to deteoriate like TV show Hercules.
Their performance is great tough and they are more listenable for me than the official US cast, whom makes me cringe everytime I hear them.

For answering the topic question: No I won't, as I am fan of the Japanese original - so I don't enjoy any different dub. Same as I won't enjoy Batman TAS with Japanese dub.
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Post by FoolsGil » Sat May 16, 2015 10:42 am

I believe that except for TFS Goku, none of the voices are too jarring for an official dub. But Masoko can do a less silly Goku, he demonstrated that in the Neighboorhood Cluck's Dead Zone and World's Strongest Abridged. Do that voice and everyone works.

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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by Doctor. » Sat May 16, 2015 10:44 am

FoolsGil wrote:I believe that except for TFS Goku, none of the voices are too jarring for an official dub. But Masoko can do a less silly Goku, he demonstrated that in the Neighboorhood Cluck's Dead Zone and World's Strongest Abridged. Do that voice and everyone works.
What about Kuririn? I highly doubt he'd work in an official dub.

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Re: Would you enjoy an official dub done by Team Four Star?

Post by FoolsGil » Sat May 16, 2015 10:46 am

Doctor. wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I believe that except for TFS Goku, none of the voices are too jarring for an official dub. But Masoko can do a less silly Goku, he demonstrated that in the Neighboorhood Cluck's Dead Zone and World's Strongest Abridged. Do that voice and everyone works.
What about Kuririn? I highly doubt he'd work in an official dub.
Sonny Strait's take on Krillin is just as comedic if you ask me. He's low pitched and slightly grating so it's hard to take Krillin seriously sometimes. Lanipator's is high pitched and slightly grating so it's hard to take Krillin seriously sometimes.

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