Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Grimlock » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:34 pm

- Dragon Ball Minus.
- Bardock vs Freeza (TV Special).
- Jaco, The Galactic Patrolman.
- Dragon Ball manga.
- Dragon Ball: Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!
- Movie 14.
- Movie 15.
- Dragon Ball Super (sagas written by Akira Toriyama).
- Dragon Ball Online.

Basically I follow Toriyama canon storyline. Also, there isn't any contradiction between Online and Jaco, just a retcon made years later. And a retcon in a "although-it-was-said-that,-the truth-is"-level, nothing too harmful.
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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:36 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:I'd like to update my personal canon because of Super being a thing:

Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
Dragon Ball Minus (Only for Gine. Fuck everything else.)
Bardock: The Father Of Goku
Dragon Ball Manga (Up to chapter 394)
Dragon Ball Kai
Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan
Plan To Eridicate The Saiyans
Dragon Ball Manga (Up to chapter 417)
Bojack Unbound
Dragon Ball Manga (Up to chapter 517)
Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return
Wrath Of The Dragon
Battle Of Gods
Revival Of F
Dragon Ball Super (Champa/Universe 6 arc onward)
Dragon Ball Manga (518 - End)
Dragon Ball Online
I have one hole to poke, Movie 13 contradicts with DBS episode 50 and onward. Bulma gave Tapion the second time machine at the end of that movie.

Not trying to disparage your choices, just thought I'd point it out.
I think I recall that Bulma just built another Time Machine for Tapion in the movie that was just identical to the one Future Trunks used. And according to the original Japanese version of the of the movie, Bulma tells Trunks he can use another Time Machine to visit Tapion any time he wants.

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:24 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:I'd like to update my personal canon because of Super being a thing:

Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
Dragon Ball Minus (Only for Gine. Fuck everything else.)
Bardock: The Father Of Goku
Dragon Ball Manga (Up to chapter 394)
Dragon Ball Kai
Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan
Plan To Eridicate The Saiyans
Dragon Ball Manga (Up to chapter 417)
Bojack Unbound
Dragon Ball Manga (Up to chapter 517)
Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return
Wrath Of The Dragon
Battle Of Gods
Revival Of F
Dragon Ball Super (Champa/Universe 6 arc onward)
Dragon Ball Manga (518 - End)
Dragon Ball Online
Whoa interesting list here. How are you splicing Minus and Father?

Also Plan too? You really liked that huh?

Didn't occur to me that some old movies do fit, Broly I think fits perfectly. Maybe Bojack too but Wrath idk seems a little bit contradictory with Super why doesn't Trunks use the sword in Super?

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:27 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:why doesn't Trunks use the sword in Super?
It could be because he's totally irrelevant.
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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Doctor. » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:31 pm

- Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, replace the last chapter with the Bardock special
- Dragon Ball manga with Saiyan arc filler of the anime and History of Trunks special instead of the side-story
- Movie 12 somehow
- Movie 13
- Battle of Gods movie
- Universe 6 arc of the Dragon Ball Super manga
- Black arc of the Dragon Ball Super anime
- Dragon Ball Online
- Also the small novels made by the anime staff during DBZ's run

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by ekrolo2 » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:32 pm

Doctor. wrote:- Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, replace the last chapter with the Bardock special
- Dragon Ball manga with Saiyan arc filler of the anime and History of Trunks special instead of the side-story
- Movie 12 somehow
- Movie 13
- Battle of Gods movie
- Universe 6 arc of the Dragon Ball Super manga
- Black arc of the Dragon Ball Super anime
- Dragon Ball Online
- Also the small novels made by the anime staff during DBZ's run
Small novels?
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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Anime Kitten » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:33 pm

Here's mine. Anything in the anime that contradicts the manga is overruled by the manga.

Bardock - The Father of Goku (OVA)

Jaco the Galactic Patrolman (manga)

Dragon Ball manga up to chapter 517

Dragon Ball anime, including non-contradictory fillers

Dragon Ball Z anime up to episode 288, including non-contradictory fillers
  • Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan (film)

    Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans (OVA)

    Bojack Unbound (film)
Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!! (OVA)

Battle of Gods (film)

Resurrection 'F' (film)

Dragon Ball Super (anime)

Dragon Ball Z manga chapter 518-519

Dragon Ball Z anime episodes 289-291

Dragon Ball Xenoverse main story (alternatively Dragon Ball Online; XV because I've actually played it)
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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:34 pm

Doctor. wrote:- Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, replace the last chapter with the Bardock special
- Dragon Ball manga with Saiyan arc filler of the anime and History of Trunks special instead of the side-story
- Movie 12 somehow
- Movie 13
- Battle of Gods movie
- Universe 6 arc of the Dragon Ball Super manga
- Black arc of the Dragon Ball Super anime
- Dragon Ball Online
- Also the small novels made by the anime staff during DBZ's run
May I ask why you chose the anime version of the "Black Arc"? Is it just because that's all we have for now, or is there something that rubs you the wrong way about Toyotaro's version? I'm curious, because I couldn't decide which to choose if I had to pick one.
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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Doctor. » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:36 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:- Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, replace the last chapter with the Bardock special
- Dragon Ball manga with Saiyan arc filler of the anime and History of Trunks special instead of the side-story
- Movie 12 somehow
- Movie 13
- Battle of Gods movie
- Universe 6 arc of the Dragon Ball Super manga
- Black arc of the Dragon Ball Super anime
- Dragon Ball Online
- Also the small novels made by the anime staff during DBZ's run
Small novels?
The small side-stories about Trunks, Piccolo and Vegeta the anime staff wrote.

Here's the Trunks one, and the other two can be found here.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Doctor. wrote:- Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, replace the last chapter with the Bardock special
- Dragon Ball manga with Saiyan arc filler of the anime and History of Trunks special instead of the side-story
- Movie 12 somehow
- Movie 13
- Battle of Gods movie
- Universe 6 arc of the Dragon Ball Super manga
- Black arc of the Dragon Ball Super anime
- Dragon Ball Online
- Also the small novels made by the anime staff during DBZ's run
May I ask why you chose the anime version of the "Black Arc"? Is it just because that's all we have for now, or is there something that rubs you the wrong way about Toyotaro's version? I'm curious, because I couldn't decide which to choose if I had to pick one.
Purely because we don't have Toyotaro's version of the Black arc completed yet, but I also prefer the anime version from what they both share. Toyotaro's manga is too rushed and always has been.

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:41 pm

Doctor. wrote:Toyotaro's manga is too rushed and always has been.
I agree that it's always been rushed, but the chapters from this arc seem pretty stable so far. I'm taking a wait and see approach, I think that Toyotaro's manga has some great potential. Now that he's cranking out more pages a month, we may not be stuck with another rushed product like chapter 13.
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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:04 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:I'd like to update my personal canon because of Super being a thing:

Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
Dragon Ball Minus (Only for Gine. Fuck everything else.)
Bardock: The Father Of Goku
Dragon Ball Manga (Up to chapter 394)
Dragon Ball Kai
Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan
Plan To Eridicate The Saiyans
Dragon Ball Manga (Up to chapter 417)
Bojack Unbound
Dragon Ball Manga (Up to chapter 517)
Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return
Wrath Of The Dragon
Battle Of Gods
Revival Of F
Dragon Ball Super (Champa/Universe 6 arc onward)
Dragon Ball Manga (518 - End)
Dragon Ball Online
Whoa interesting list here. How are you splicing Minus and Father?

Also Plan too? You really liked that huh?

Didn't occur to me that some old movies do fit, Broly I think fits perfectly. Maybe Bojack too but Wrath idk seems a little bit contradictory with Super why doesn't Trunks use the sword in Super?
I did say in regards Minus. "Only for Gine. Fuck everything else." I mean that literally.

Yeah, I like the Plan To Eridicate The Saiyans OVA. It's neat little side story.

In regards, to Trunks and why he doesn't use the sword in Super... He probably just forgot about it.

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by ekrolo2 » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:09 pm

Doctor. wrote:The small side-stories about Trunks, Piccolo and Vegeta the anime staff wrote.

That was some really good stuff! They should allow for more of these to get made nowadays.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:16 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:The small side-stories about Trunks, Piccolo and Vegeta the anime staff wrote.

That was some really good stuff! They should allow for more of these to get made nowadays.
I'd love to see a light novel series that focuses on the supporting cast and the perspectives of lives after certain events. Much like what Naruto did for the all but forgotten supporting cast of Shippuden in the Naruto Hiden light novel series.

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

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Lord Beerus wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:The small side-stories about Trunks, Piccolo and Vegeta the anime staff wrote.

That was some really good stuff! They should allow for more of these to get made nowadays.
I'd love to see a light novel series that focuses on the supporting cast and the perspectives of lives after certain events. Much like what Naruto did for the all but forgotten supporting cast of Shippuden in the Naruto Hiden light novel series.
That would mean Dragon Ball might be actually good instead of an enjoyable mess and we can't have that.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:30 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:

That was some really good stuff! They should allow for more of these to get made nowadays.
I'd love to see a light novel series that focuses on the supporting cast and the perspectives of lives after certain events. Much like what Naruto did for the all but forgotten supporting cast of Shippuden in the Naruto Hiden light novel series.
That would mean Dragon Ball might be actually good instead of an enjoyable mess and we can't have that.
You gotta dare to dream, ekrolo2. Hope that Disney buy the rights to Dragon Ball and then they can bring proper quality control to the series. :P

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by ekrolo2 » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:32 pm

Lord Beerus wrote: You gotta dare to dream, ekrolo2. Hope that Disney buy the rights to Dragon Ball and then they can bring proper quality control to the series. :P
So they can produce stuff like the Civil War and the Avengers movies? Ha, no thanks, I'd rather die. With IM3 and Age of Ultron, the ones with actual creative spark behind them, are seen as failures by the company, I don't trust them to make anything but soulless shills of entertainment now.
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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:41 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote: You gotta dare to dream, ekrolo2. Hope that Disney buy the rights to Dragon Ball and then they can bring proper quality control to the series. :P
So they can produce stuff like the Civil War and the Avengers movies? Ha, no thanks, I'd rather die. With IM3 and Age of Ultron, the ones with actual creative spark behind them, are seen as failures by the company, I don't trust them to make anything but soulless shills of entertainment now.
But...but Civil War had Spider Man played by an actual teenager (at the time of filming) and... Giant Ant Man. And the Avengers movies had... quips... and... Ultron... how could not not love all that?! :P

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by ekrolo2 » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:45 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote: You gotta dare to dream, ekrolo2. Hope that Disney buy the rights to Dragon Ball and then they can bring proper quality control to the series. :P
So they can produce stuff like the Civil War and the Avengers movies? Ha, no thanks, I'd rather die. With IM3 and Age of Ultron, the ones with actual creative spark behind them, are seen as failures by the company, I don't trust them to make anything but soulless shills of entertainment now.
But...but Civil War had Spider Man played by an actual teenager (at the time of filming) and... Giant Ant Man. And the Avengers movies had... quips... and... Ultron... how could not not love all that?! :P
I think Civil War is an enjoyable movie, I just don't take any of its "deep" bullshit seriously when a lot of it blatantly ignores the universes continuity and many times common sense to make anything happen. Like Tony Stark's motivation being "A young man full of talent died in a war zone I caused!" then he brings in Spider-Man, a young man full of potential into a war zone between the most dangerous people on Earth instead of just I don't know, asking him for his webbing technology? The Avengers was just a boring movie, it is every generic superhero team-up story ever but because its in live action I'm supposed to not care? There is only one legitimate great team-up story between superheroes: John Byrne's first meeting between Superman and Batman and that's because it avoids all the tropes of those stories entirely.

But this really isn't the place for talking about this so PM me if you want to continue :P
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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Anime Kitten » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:46 pm

Off Marvel and back to Dragon Ball, I also should've mentioned Dragon Ball Minus for Gine only, like Lord Beerus.
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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Cetra » Wed Oct 05, 2016 5:12 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:I'd like to update my personal canon because of Super being a thing:

Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
Dragon Ball Minus (Only for Gine. Fuck everything else.)
Bardock: The Father Of Goku
Dragon Ball Manga (Up to chapter 394)
Dragon Ball Kai
Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan
Plan To Eridicate The Saiyans
Dragon Ball Manga (Up to chapter 417)
Bojack Unbound
Dragon Ball Manga (Up to chapter 517)
Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return
Wrath Of The Dragon
Battle Of Gods
Revival Of F
Dragon Ball Super (Champa/Universe 6 arc onward)
Dragon Ball Manga (518 - End)
Dragon Ball Online
I have one hole to poke, Movie 13 contradicts with DBS episode 50 and onward. Bulma gave Tapion the second time machine at the end of that movie.

Not trying to disparage your choices, just thought I'd point it out.
I think I recall that Bulma just built another Time Machine for Tapion in the movie that was just identical to the one Future Trunks used. And according to the original Japanese version of the of the movie, Bulma tells Trunks he can use another Time Machine to visit Tapion any time he wants.
An interesting list. I would probably think of a similar one with Cooler and GT included instead of Online. Obvious inconsistencies like Kibitoshin left to be explained or retconned as well as some stuff like Trunks actually returning to visit his friends during the Bojack part just as he intended when killing Cell.
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