The strongest earthling

[Kaboom]

I don't see why it's not a viable argument that Tenshinhan re-surpassed Kuririn while he was training on Kaio's.

Because everything says he didn't.

A straight-forward statement in the manga says "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling." Various guidebooks and publications say "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling." The original author himself, Akira Toriyama, says "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling."

Yet somehow fans think it's at all "viable" to just ignore all of that and say, "nah, that doesn't make any sense, he can't be stronger than Tenshinhan," when absolutely nothing exists to support that notion. There is no argument to be made. There's only a number of sources, including the original work and its author, saying one thing, and a handful of people covering their ears and shouting "LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU" and insisting it's not true just because they don't think it should be true.

I really, really, can't comprehend WHY there's so much flagrant denial about it. What in Dende's name makes Tenshinhan so irrevocably deserving of the "strongest Earthling" title that EVERYTHING saying it's Kuririn instead just gets thrown out with any given made-up excuse?

[Kamiccolo9]

I don't see why it's not a viable argument that Tenshinhan re-surpassed Kuririn while he was training on Kaio's.

Because everything says he didn't.

A straight-forward statement in the manga says "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling." Various guidebooks and publications say "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling." The original author himself, Akira Toriyama, says "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling."

Yet somehow fans think it's at all "viable" to just ignore all of that and say, "nah, that doesn't make any sense, he can't be stronger than Tenshinhan," when absolutely nothing exists to support that notion. There is no argument to be made. There's only a number of sources, including the original work and its author, saying one thing, and a handful of people covering their ears and shouting "LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU" and insisting it's not true just because they don't think it should be true.

I really, really, can't comprehend WHY there's so much flagrant denial about it. What in Dende's name makes Tenshinhan so irrevocably deserving of the "strongest Earthling" title that EVERYTHING saying it's Kuririn instead just gets thrown out with any given made-up excuse?

You forgot the "tien's an alien" excuse.

[Kaboom]

You forgot the "tien's an alien" excuse.

Just as meaningless as anything else. The original manga doesn't even hint that he has alien heritage, only the guidebooks. The same guidebooks which still categorize him as an Earthling right alongside Kuririn.

[Kamiccolo9]

You forgot the "tien's an alien" excuse.

Just as meaningless as anything else. The original manga doesn't even hint that he has alien heritage, only the guidebooks. The same guidebooks which still categorize him as an Earthling right alongside Kuririn.

It's on the same page, if I'm not mistaken? The bio and his classification as an Earthling?

[dbgtFO]

I don't see why it's not a viable argument that Tenshinhan re-surpassed Kuririn while he was training on Kaio's.

Because everything says he didn't.

A straight-forward statement in the manga says "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling." Various guidebooks and publications say "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling." The original author himself, Akira Toriyama, says "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling."

Yet somehow fans think it's at all "viable" to just ignore all of that and say, "nah, that doesn't make any sense, he can't be stronger than Tenshinhan," when absolutely nothing exists to support that notion. There is no argument to be made. There's only a number of sources, including the original work and its author, saying one thing, and a handful of people covering their ears and shouting "LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU" and insisting it's not true just because they don't think it should be true.

I really, really, can't comprehend WHY there's so much flagrant denial about it. What in Dende's name makes Tenshinhan so irrevocably deserving of the "strongest Earthling" title that EVERYTHING saying it's Kuririn instead just gets thrown out with any given made-up excuse?

Probably doesn't sit well, that Krillin gets to be stronger thanks to a power boost, he didn't have to work for and the fact he sells himself short and acts a bit like a coward plus the movies made him seem like a chump, a loveable one, but a chump nonetheless, whereas Tenshinhan is a bit more serious and gave Trunks a good fight in DBZ M9.

There's no need to be so frustrated about it really.
It is what is and people can keep their opinions about it, even if they tend to totally hypocritical about it.
One can make himself feel better about it by looking at it as: Krillin basically cheated and that's the reason why he's ahead of Tenshinhan, plus Toriyama just likes Krillin more or wanted to give him credit after being terrible to him or what have you.

[Kaboom]

It's on the same page, if I'm not mistaken? The bio and his classification as an Earthling?

I don't know about the exact same page, but I know it's at least the same section. Daizenshuu #4's racial guide, in the section about Earthlings. It talks about Ten's distant alien ancestry as a "special characteristic," but he's still considered an Earthling.

There's no need to be so frustrated about it really.
It is what is and people can keep their opinions about it, even if they tend to totally hypocritical about it.

On it's own, I guess not that big of a deal. But like I said, I see the same thing on this topic over and over and over again, all over different DB communities. It's a little extra frustrating to see such willful ignorance propagate even on Kanzenshuu too.

[rereboy]

158 days.

You are right, I misread the number. It changes the math of my example a bit but the point is still clear I believe.

I really, really, can't comprehend WHY there's so much flagrant denial about it. What in Dende's name makes Tenshinhan so irrevocably deserving of the "strongest Earthling" title that EVERYTHING saying it's Kuririn instead just gets thrown out with any given made-up excuse?

Everything in the manga saying that he is superior is literally just one indirect statement by Yamcha in the Buu saga. Meanwhile, the portrayal of both fighters after Namek seems to make Tenshinhan appear as a superior fighter, even though there's no proof either way. Is it really that hard to see how people find that it would make more sense for Tenshinhan to be superior...?

Probably doesn't sit well, that Krillin gets to be stronger thanks to a power boost, he didn't have to work for and the fact he sells himself short and acts a bit like a coward plus the movies made him seem like a chump, a loveable one, but a chump nonetheless, whereas Tenshinhan is a bit more serious and gave Trunks a good fight in DBZ M9.

There's no need to be so frustrated about it really.
It is what is and people can keep their opinions about it, even if they tend to totally hypocritical about it.
One can make himself feel better about it by looking at it as: Krillin basically cheated and that's the reason why he's ahead of Tenshinhan, plus Toriyama just likes Krillin more or wanted to give him credit after being terrible to him or what have you.

That's not it at all. The portrayal and context of the Cell arc and Buu arc simply give off the impression that Tenshinhan is superior and he even has better feats than Krillin. There's no proof either way, but without the Yamcha's statement, I doubt anyone would consider Krillin superior given what we see about them in those arcs. Therefore, its not about Tenshinhan deserving the title more due to his personality, its simply a matter of making more sense given what we are shown. If Yamcha had stated that Tenshinhan was superior, nobody would have been surprised or would suggest it didn't make sense precisely because of what we see of them in the arcs after Namek.

[Hitiro]

Probably doesn't sit well, that Krillin gets to be stronger thanks to a power boost, he didn't have to work for and the fact he sells himself short and acts a bit like a coward plus the movies made him seem like a chump, a loveable one, but a chump nonetheless, whereas Tenshinhan is a bit more serious and gave Trunks a good fight in DBZ M9.

Well, Kuririn may have not worked for the lead over Tenshinhan originally. But he still maintained it all the way up to the Boo arc and beyond. So it's not like he didn't work at all.

[Kaboom]

Everything in the manga saying that he is superior is literally just one indirect statement by Yamcha in the Buu saga.

How is "[Kuririn] is the strongest in the world, at least among Earthlings" indirect? There's no other way to interpret that.

[rereboy]

Everything in the manga saying that he is superior is literally just one indirect statement by Yamcha in the Buu saga.

How is "[Kuririn] is the strongest in the world, at least among Earthlings" indirect? There's no other way to interpret that.

Because nowhere in there does he talk directly about Tenshinhan. Therefore, its not direct. I don't disagree that the statement is saying that Krillin is superior to Tenshinhan but obviously its not a direct statement.

[DieHard]

I don't see why it's not a viable argument that Tenshinhan re-surpassed Kuririn while he was training on Kaio's.

Because everything says he didn't.

A straight-forward statement in the manga says "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling." Various guidebooks and publications say "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling." The original author himself, Akira Toriyama, says "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling."

Yet somehow fans think it's at all "viable" to just ignore all of that and say, "nah, that doesn't make any sense, he can't be stronger than Tenshinhan," when absolutely nothing exists to support that notion. There is no argument to be made. There's only a number of sources, including the original work and its author, saying one thing, and a handful of people covering their ears and shouting "LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU" and insisting it's not true just because they don't think it should be true.

I really, really, can't comprehend WHY there's so much flagrant denial about it. What in Dende's name makes Tenshinhan so irrevocably deserving of the "strongest Earthling" title that EVERYTHING saying it's Kuririn instead just gets thrown out with any given made-up excuse?

Probably doesn't sit well, that Krillin gets to be stronger thanks to a power boost, he didn't have to work for and the fact he sells himself short and acts a bit like a coward plus the movies made him seem like a chump, a loveable one, but a chump nonetheless, whereas Tenshinhan is a bit more serious and gave Trunks a good fight in DBZ M9.

There's no need to be so frustrated about it really.
It is what is and people can keep their opinions about it, even if they tend to totally hypocritical about it.
One can make himself feel better about it by looking at it as: Krillin basically cheated and that's the reason why he's ahead of Tenshinhan, plus Toriyama just likes Krillin more or wanted to give him credit after being terrible to him or what have you.

There is another manga I read,that's One piece and there are some character that are called the "strongest" but in reality it refers to group of characters not single character. Maybe that's same case here? [PORNOGRAHPIC IMAGE REMOVED BY MODERATOR. USER BANNED.]

[lord turbo]

Everything in the manga saying that he is superior is literally just one indirect statement by Yamcha in the Buu saga.

How is "[Kuririn] is the strongest in the world, at least among Earthlings" indirect? There's no other way to interpret that.

Maybe the fact Yamcha doesn't magically know how strong Tenshinhan is when neither he or anyone else has seen him seven years later perhaps.

[singsing]

Everything in the manga saying that he is superior is literally just one indirect statement by Yamcha in the Buu saga.

How is "[Kuririn] is the strongest in the world, at least among Earthlings" indirect? There's no other way to interpret that.

Because nowhere in there does he talk directly about Tenshinhan. Therefore, its not direct. I don't disagree that the statement is saying that Krillin is superior to Tenshinhan but obviously its not a direct statement.

Tien is an Earthling. It is direct.

[rereboy]

Tenshinhan is an Earthling. It is direct.

No.

Saying "Krillin is stronger than Tenshinhan" is a direct statement.

Saying "Krillin is the strongest Earthling" only indirectly refers to Tenshinhan because the conclusion that Krillin is stronger than Tenshinhan is only derived of the statement via interpretation. The conclusion is not directly presented in the statement.

Being an easy to understand statement regarding Tenshinhan, doesn't mean that its a direct statement.

[Hugo Boss]

The same official material that still portrays Kuririn as strongest Earthling is the same that portrays Gohan as stronger than Pure Saiyans, even though we have Goku and Vegeta ahead of him by the current point.

[Hitiro]

The same official material that still portrays Kuririn as strongest Earthling is the same that portrays Gohan as stronger than Pure Saiyans, even though we have Goku and Vegeta ahead of him by the current point.

How is that incorrect? Gohan is stronger than the Pure Saiyan's up until Goku gains SSJGod and Vegeta Rage Boosts. So of course Gohan > Pure Saiyan's.

[Super SaiyaJon]

We'll, Yamcha didn't say "[Kuririn] is stronger than Mr. Satan" so Mr. Satan is clearly the strongest earthling.

[Dyno]

The same official material that still portrays Kuririn as strongest Earthling is the same that portrays Gohan as stronger than Pure Saiyans, even though we have Goku and Vegeta ahead of him by the current point.

How is that incorrect? Gohan is stronger than the Pure Saiyan's up until Goku gains SSJGod and Vegeta Rage Boosts. So of course Gohan > Pure Saiyan's.

Or even before, knowing Son Gohan does not train day after day.

[rereboy]

We'll, Yamcha didn't say "[Kuririn] is stronger than Mr. Satan" so Mr. Satan is clearly the strongest earthling.

Yeah, me saying that the statement is indirect is clearly the same as me claiming that Tenshinhan is stronger than Krillin...

Especially when I've stated several times already that I agree that the statement is telling us that Krillin is stronger than Tenshinhan, and that my point is not that Tenshinhan is superior but that it would make more sense for him to be superior...

I didn't even mention the fact that it was an indirect statement as a argument against the validity of the statement. Just as part of an argument for how easy it is to understand how people would consider to make more sense for Tenshinhan to be superior, no matter on how they stand on the interpretation of the Yamcha's statement, given the scarcity of things implying that Krillin is superior in the manga (only that statement exists, which happens to not be a direct statement). And yet, I get all these posts questioning this "indirect" classification which, apart of being obviously accurate, its not even used as an argument to attack the statement's validity... Jeez...

[Hugo Boss]

The same official material that still portrays Kuririn as strongest Earthling is the same that portrays Gohan as stronger than Pure Saiyans, even though we have Goku and Vegeta ahead of him by the current point.

How is that incorrect? Gohan is stronger than the Pure Saiyan's up until Goku gains SSJGod and Vegeta Rage Boosts. So of course Gohan > Pure Saiyan's.

I'm referring to the Character Bio of Revival of F. Even if Gohan was stronger than Goku and Vegeta before Battle of Gods, saying he is still stronger than them is incorrect.