#NewRules According to Modern Toriyama

[Big Momma]

One Piece is more about the journey than the actual treasure. They're searching for the One Piece, but the focus of the story is them getting their and the adventures they have along the way. I love when people use "it's too long" as a bash against One Piece. If it's all fun and enjoyable...then why is more a bad thing? Every arc has brought something important to the main plot. Sometimes (especially with the anime) things drag a bit, but really (And this is one of my biggest gripes with Oda) I personally think it's because there are at times just too many characters to focus on.

Look at Dragon Ball. It's not like they spend the entire series searching for/interacting with the Dragon Balls. And, after Freeza, they hardly become a focus.

[Mystic Tien]

I disagree. I think a good story is good when it entertains the viewer, and the viewer enjoys watching it. What that depends on, be it strict consistency or not, is on the individual.

There are few people who can enjoy a story structured like this. No other series gets the same pass DBZ gets for bad writing, neglected plotholes, Plot rehashes, shallow character interactions, character favouritism,-Sue protagonists and in-universe logic hiccups. Not Naruto, Not one piece, not Bleach, but why DBZ?
I'm not saying we should turn against DBZ, but it only makes it seem legitamently overrated now if you have to ignore them just to remind yourself why you like the show. For me, I'm losing interest because it just doesn't feel like the series is going anywhere.

I honestly think the only other anime that gets the same infamous hall pass that DBZ gets is Saint Seiya. That series is the very essence of re-using plots and characters (and copycats of characters) but gets away with it by fans for some ... reason. (Hell, the sequel to Saint Seiya almost literally follows the same plot as the original series except the characters are back in time).

Disagree, but the plot in Saint Seiya is really weak, it is not for what I love it though.

And no, Next Dimension has a combination of both Hades and Sanctuary arc with some different twists.

A lof of anime actually get the passes just because they are popular. Naruto, Bleach, One Piece do it as well.

[fexus]

One Piece is more about the journey than the actual treasure. They're searching for the One Piece, but the focus of the story is them getting their and the adventures they have along the way. I love when people use "it's too long" as a bash against One Piece. If it's all fun and enjoyable...then why is more a bad thing? Every arc has brought something important to the main plot. Sometimes (especially with the anime) things drag a bit, but really (And this is one of my biggest gripes with Oda) I personally think it's because there are at times just too many characters to focus on.

Look at Dragon Ball. It's not like they spend the entire series searching for/interacting with the Dragon Balls. And, after Freeza, they hardly become a focus.

I hate One Piece just from looking at it. Can't even get pass the 1st volume without throwing up because of the cartoonish artstyle. The story didn't help either nor does the characters. Looking at that they still haven't found One Piece after 782 chapters didn't do it any good. Also, too long is a valid complain.

One Piece looks like it's still continuing because Oda doesn't want to lose his money maker.

[Big Momma]

I hate One Piece just from looking at it. Can't even get pass the 1st volume without throwing up because of the cartoonish artstyle. The story didn't help either nor does the characters. Looking at that they still haven't found One Piece after 782 chapters didn't do it any good. Also, too long is a valid complain.

How can you complain about the story or characters when, by your own admission, you've never even made it past the first volume? That seems like a personal problem. Considering One Piece is one of the top selling (and the top published) series in the world, many, many, many people see it much differently than you. In fact, nearly every person (about 80%) I've met who had the "It's too long/I hate the artstyle" mindset ended up loving the series once they finally sat down and got into it. Heck, I just got into OP maybe 4 years ago and before that I always thought "It's too long" but now I love it.

If you don't want to spend the time to get into it because it's too long, that's fine. And if the artstyle puts you off (Even though I think it's one of the most expressive and lively styles manga has to offer) then that's fine, too. But, as you've only read the first volume, you're view of the actual story and characters and how they progress isn't a wide one.

[fexus]

I hate One Piece just from looking at it. Can't even get pass the 1st volume without throwing up because of the cartoonish artstyle. The story didn't help either nor does the characters. Looking at that they still haven't found One Piece after 782 chapters didn't do it any good. Also, too long is a valid complain.

How can you complain about the story or characters when, by your own admission, you've never even made it past the first volume? That seems like a personal problem. Considering One Piece is one of the top selling (and the top published) series in the world, many, many, many people see it much differently than you. In fact, nearly every person (about 80%) I've met who had the "It's too long/I hate the artstyle" mindset ended up loving the series once they finally sat down and got into it. Heck, I just got into OP maybe 4 years ago and before that I always thought "It's too long" but now I love it.

If you don't want to spend the time to get into it because it's too long, that's fine. And if the artstyle puts you off (Even though I think it's one of the most expressive and lively styles manga has to offer) then that's fine, too. But, as you've only read the first volume, you're view of the actual story and characters and how they progress isn't a wide one.

I've got enough of the actual story and characters and how they progress just from Youtube videos and my friends. Even with that, I can't find it in my whole body to like it. I've also tried just skipping a few hundred chapters and see what it's like but the artsyle just wouldn't let me anywhere near it. I especially hate Luffy's face.

Also, it isn't too long. I've finished reading something more than that. It's just that OP isn't as interesting or as good as people somehow has made it to be.

[mAcChaos]

I don't have a problem with Toriyama making new stuff. It doesn't take away any of the old stuff for me to enjoy if I want. So it is win/win.

[rereboy]

It's just that OP isn't as interesting or as good as people somehow has made it to be.

"Some people" actually read it, unlike you.

Astounding how you can state with a straight face that a series is poorly written and that its not as good as some people, who actually read it, say it is, when you don't even read it... That's why your criticisms of One Piece are its length (you checked out how many volumes there were), the art-style (from your very limited exposure to it) and the fact that we don't yet know everything about One Piece (from hearsay)... Because you don't even know enough about it to actually criticize it.

[TheGmGoken]

Eww...One Piece let's talk about Dragonball (a good series) .

I don't recall DB ever getting a pass on something that's utter bullshit or just bad. Vegetto as popular as he is...IS bashed for being a cheap plot character. Gohan during Cell games is debated OOC by many.

Db doesn't always gets a past.

[Lord Beerus]

Db doesn't always gets a past.

DB may not always have a "past" but it has a "present" and a "future".

[Dbzk1999]

I hate One Piece just from looking at it. Can't even get pass the 1st volume without throwing up because of the cartoonish artstyle.

I just had to address this
I'm gonna use an example, The Spectacular Spider-Man series had the most cartoonish designs for a spider-man series. However, it's still seen as one of (if not the BEST) spider man tv cartoon

[Rocketman]

One Piece is pretty terrible, but more from the constant sobbing, immortality and ~NAKAMA~. Although the gigantic rictus are offputting too.

[Basaku]

That's Goku at age 15. So... yeah.

And this is Gohan growing up gradually and consistiently throughout the saga



Toriyama himself changed how he presents growth for Saiyan/Human hybrids and showed us how some of them (including teenage Trunks) look as teenagers. So yeah, their portrayal in BOG makes no sense

[TheDevilsCorpse]

And this is Gohan growing up gradually and consistiently throughout the saga

Toriyama himself changed how he presents growth for Saiyan/Human hybrids and showed us how some of them (including teenage Trunks) look as teenagers. So yeah, their portrayal in BOG makes no sense

Just mark it off as genetics. Gohan was born with a tail, Goten and Trunks are stated in some material to have been born without them. Not all the Human-Saiyan hybrids have to operate under the same rules. Goten and Trunks got Saiyan growth genes, Gohan got human ones. Future Trunks is technically a different Trunks from his present counterpart. The changes to the timelines, via Toriyama logic with science, could easily account for a slightly altered set of genes. So file him under human growth patterns too.

[Basaku]

And this is Gohan growing up gradually and consistiently throughout the saga

Toriyama himself changed how he presents growth for Saiyan/Human hybrids and showed us how some of them (including teenage Trunks) look as teenagers. So yeah, their portrayal in BOG makes no sense

Just mark it off as genetics. Gohan was born with a tail, Goten and Trunks are stated in some material to have been born without them. Not all the Human-Saiyan hybrids have to operate under the same rules. Goten and Trunks got Saiyan growth genes, Gohan got human ones. Future Trunks is technically a different Trunks from his present counterpart. The changes to the timelines, via Toriyama logic with science, could easily account for a slightly altered set of genes. So file him under human growth patterns too.

The change to the timelines happens after both Trunks are already born, they have exactly the same genes. And I would really just preferred if Toei/Toriyama bothered to be more consistient than making up convoluted genetics excuses. It's not like I'm asking for impossible, just an updated design for 2 characters in a big movie release.

[Big Momma]

The change to the timelines happens after both Trunks are already born, they have exactly the same genes. And I would really just preferred if Toei/Toriyama bothered to be more consistient than making up convoluted genetics excuses. It's not like I'm asking for impossible, just an updated design for 2 characters in a big movie release.

Future Trunks appears before Bulma and Vegeta even get together. He was the reason they started diving into training for the Androids anyway, And Bulma/Vegeta started growing closer (relatively) while he was training for the androids. Going by that, the circumstances and timing of their "affair" could have been a bit different in the main timeline.

[Basaku]

The change to the timelines happens after both Trunks are already born, they have exactly the same genes. And I would really just preferred if Toei/Toriyama bothered to be more consistient than making up convoluted genetics excuses. It's not like I'm asking for impossible, just an updated design for 2 characters in a big movie release.

Future Trunks appears before Bulma and Vegeta even get together. He was the reason they started diving into training for the Androids anyway, And Bulma/Vegeta started growing closer (relatively) while he was training for the androids. Going by that, the circumstances and timing of their "affair" could have been a bit different in the main timeline.

Fail on my part, indeed you're correct on timing. Still, they look exactly the same so same genes. And it doesn't change anything I said about consistiency and that it really didn't require much resources and effort to keep it up.

[fexus]

It's just that OP isn't as interesting or as good as people somehow has made it to be.

"Some people" actually read it, unlike you.

Astounding how you can state with a straight face that a series is poorly written and that its not as good as some people, who actually read it, say it is, when you don't even read it... That's why your criticisms of One Piece are its length (you checked out how many volumes there were), the art-style (from your very limited exposure to it) and the fact that we don't yet know everything about One Piece (from hearsay)... Because you don't even know enough about it to actually criticize it.

And the same people can bash on RoF because they've read the summary. Good job for pointing it out. The only good thing about art in OP is the detailed background and even than isn't that much better than a lot of other manga.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Fail on my part, indeed you're correct on timing. Still, they look exactly the same so same genes. And it doesn't change anything I said about consistiency and that it really didn't require much resources and effort to keep it up.

Them having the same exact genes is your opinion, same as my suggestion that something is tweaked between them. The only fact here is that both versions of Trunks don't appear to be aging at the same rate, and nothing else official is said on the matter. You can try to argue consistency if you want, but for all you know my theory could be right and this could all be intentional and consistent. it's unlikely Toriyama will ever comment on the matter though.

(And now that I say that, their age stuff will pop up during a Resurrection F interview about what they were doing while Freeza was attacking Earth. Just watch.)

[rereboy]

And the same people can bash on RoF because they've read the summary. Good job for pointing it out. The only good thing about art in OP is the detailed background and even than isn't that much better than a lot of other manga.

People are criticizing the particular plot points described in the synopsis, not the movie itself, and they actually offer detailed logical explanations for why they don't like those plot points and why they they think they don't make sense or aren't consistent in the context of the series.

And pretty much all fans, myself included, will almost surely eventually see the movie to finalize the opinion on those plot points and criticize the movie itself.

So, no, that's pretty incomparable to your criticisms on One Piece which are based on superficial impressions of the series, hearsay and the number of volumes published, and that don't even make sense.

[fexus]

And the same people can bash on RoF because they've read the summary. Good job for pointing it out. The only good thing about art in OP is the detailed background and even than isn't that much better than a lot of other manga.

People are criticizing the particular plot points described in the synopsis, not the movie itself, and they actually offer detailed logical explanations for why they don't like those plot points and why they they think they don't make sense or aren't consistent in the context of the series.

And pretty much all fans, myself included, will almost surely eventually see the movie to finalize the opinion on those plot points and criticize the movie itself.

So, no, that's pretty incomparable to your criticisms on One Piece which are based on superficial impressions of the series, hearsay and the number of volumes published, and that don't even make sense.

So, if I read the synopsis at the One Piece wikia, I'm eligible enough to criticize One Piece right? Thanks for that.