DB Characters Can Bust *insert celestial object here*!

[h0kuten]

The statement proceeds the Kai stating Beerus would destroy planets in an instant and follows the context of that statement.

Anyone with a power level of over 1.000.000 could destroy planets in a instant since Freeza destroyed planet Vegeta with his weakest form, using a finger. That doesn't mean that they could launch an attack and the universe would be no more.

It also makes no sense for him to destroy 10-100 planets at a time. It would take millions to billions of years to traverse the Universe. By that time Vegetto could train and one shot him.

You have no idea how big the DB universe is compared to ours and we have seen Beerus, with Whis, travel from the mortal universe to outside of the mortal universe, aka, the afterlife in around 20 minutes, as well as Beerus reaching Whis in a far away planet in a matter of minutes. So, no. And, as far as you know, Beerus could simply be standing on his planet firing carefully aimed ki blasts into the universe, destroying about 1/100000 of the universe with each blast. Once he fired the 100000th blast, the universe would be gone.

It means Beerus could launch an attack and the universe would be no more.

You also have no idea how big the DB universe is.

No it makes no sense that Beerus would destroy the Universe by destroying planets 1 by 1. Planets & Suns and Moons only make up 1% of the total mass of the Solar System. The rest is Dark Matter.

So if Beerus destroyed all the planets it would jut be empty space (or dark matter), but the universe would still be in tact and not destroyed -defeating the purpose of the statement.

Conclusively, when Beerus is stated to destroy the Universe, he's meant to destroy it in an instant, not in thousands to billions of years in the future, only to leave an empty void and actually discredit the original statement by the Kai.

Your reasoning makes no sense.

[Kamiccolo9]

Statements within a story -that a writer is telling us, are true until contradicted.
If you feel a writer is lying when he has a character state something, give me a few good reasons as to why he would lie.

I don't care one iota about what argument you're making or what you're trying to prove, and I'm not someone here to pointlessly "debate" with you. My concern, as a moderator, is about your posting attitude. This "I'm right, you're wrong, because <overly rigorous assumption about narrative logic>, deal with it" attitude of yours is insufferable and unacceptable. Knock it off.

Hmm,

I still don't see where I've recently said, "I'm right you're wrong".

Please, show me.

Hmm...this shouldn't take long.

The statement proceeds the Kai stating Beerus would destroy planets in an instant and follows the context of that statement.

Anyone with a power level of over 1.000.000 could destroy planets in a instant since Freeza destroyed planet Vegeta with his weakest form, using a finger. That doesn't mean that they could launch an attack and the universe would be no more.

It also makes no sense for him to destroy 10-100 planets at a time. It would take millions to billions of years to traverse the Universe. By that time Vegetto could train and one shot him.

You have no idea how big the DB universe is compared to ours and we have seen Beerus, with Whis, travel from the mortal universe to outside of the mortal universe, aka, the afterlife in around 20 minutes, as well as Beerus reaching Whis in a far away planet in a matter of minutes. So, no. And, as far as you know, Beerus could simply be standing on his planet firing carefully aimed ki blasts into the universe, destroying about 1/100000 of the universe with each blast. Once he fired the 100000th blast, the universe would be gone.

It means Beerus could launch an attack and the universe would be no more.

You also have no idea how big the DB universe is.

No it makes no sense that Beerus would destroy the Universe by destroying planets 1 by 1. Planets & Suns and Moons only make up 1% of the total mass of the Solar System. The rest is Dark Matter.

So if Beerus destroyed all the planets it would jut be empty space (or dark matter), but the universe would still be in tact and not destroyed -defeating the purpose of the statement.

Conclusively, when Beerus is stated to destroy the Universe, he's meant to destroy it in an instant, not in thousands to billions of years in the future, only to leave an empty void and actually discredit the original statement by the Kai.

Your reasoning makes no sense.

Ah, there it is. Could you please just attempt to not be a dick?

[rereboy]

It means Beerus could launch an attack and the universe would be no more.

Quote of how Beerus would destroy the universe and that it would be with a single attack?

You also have no idea how big the DB universe is.

That's why I don't assume how big it is, unlike you.

No it makes no sense that Beerus would destroy the Universe by destroying planets 1 by 1. Planets & Suns and Moons only make up 1% of the total mass of the Solar System. The rest is Dark Matter.

Quote of where it says that DB universe has dark matter just as it is in the real world?

Also, If Beerus can't destroy te universe in one attack, that doesn't mean that he would have to destroy the planets all by one. Like I said, he might just be able to destroy a significant portion of the universe, which includes many planets, with one single attack, but that doesn't mean that he can destroy all of the universe with just one.

So if Beerus destroyed all the planets it would jut be empty space (or dark matter), but the universe would still be in tact and not destroyed -defeating the purpose of the statement.

That's like saying that if a planet is reduced to space dust and space debris, its' not destroyed, it still exists in some form. Which means that planet Vegeta wasn't destroyed, it just turned into debris and dust.

Conclusively, when Beerus is stated to destroy the Universe, he's meant to destroy it in an instant, not in thousands to billions of years in the future, only to leave an empty void and actually discredit the original statement by the Kai.

Your reasoning makes no sense.

Conclusively, you are just assuming what you want to assume, even though no such thing is in the actual series. And that's what makes sense to you.

[h0kuten]

Your reasoning makes no sense.

Ah, there it is. Could you please just attempt to not be a dick?

How is that trying to be a dick? Do you guys really get butt hurt over something so little?

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm curious about how blowing up individual planets will just result in an empty void, so that doesn't count as "destroying the universe," but blowing the whole thing up, resulting in....an empty void, does count as "destroying the universe."

I mean, if I take a sledgehammer and knock down a wall, it's still as demolished as if I took a wrecking ball to it.

[h0kuten]

I'm curious about how blowing up individual planets will just result in an empty void, so that doesn't count as "destroying the universe," but blowing the whole thing up, resulting in....an empty void, does count as "destroying the universe."

I mean, if I take a sledgehammer and knock down a wall, it's still as demolished as if I took a wrecking ball to it.
no it's not. The mass is still there. You would have to destroy all of the mass completely (from existence), for it to be entirely destroyed.

Blowing up the entire universe including the void, counts as destroying the universe.

Destroying just the planets, suns and moons doesn't. Because 99% of the mass of the universe isn't in those three things.

It defeats the purpose of the statement.

The only logical conclusion -backed by Occams Razor, is that Beerus could destroy all 'mass' in the known Universe.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm curious about how blowing up individual planets will just result in an empty void, so that doesn't count as "destroying the universe," but blowing the whole thing up, resulting in....an empty void, does count as "destroying the universe."

I mean, if I take a sledgehammer and knock down a wall, it's still as demolished as if I took a wrecking ball to it.
no it's not. The mass is still there. You would have to destroy all of the mass completely (from existence), for it to be entirely destroyed.

Blowing up the entire universe including the void, counts as destroying the universe.

Destroying just the planets, suns and moons doesn't. Because 99% of the mass of the universe isn't in those three things.

It defeats the purpose of the statement.

The only logical conclusion -backed by Occams Razor, is that Beerus could destroy all 'mass' in the known Universe.

How do you blow up a void?

What, pray tell, is the mass of the universe in, then? Empty space?

[TripleRach]

Beerus is a stated Universe buster.

It's not really up for interpretation.

Of course it's up for interpretation. Obviously a lot of people disagree with you, and their opinions are just as valid and welcome as yours.

So the question is, are you here to have a conversation, or are you here to assert your own views as superior over and over? If it's the latter, we cannot go on like this.

[h0kuten]

Beerus is a stated Universe buster.

It's not really up for interpretation.

Of course it's up for interpretation. Obviously a lot of people disagree with you, and their opinions are just as valid and welcome as yours.

So the question is, are you here to have a conversation, or are you here to assert your own views as superior over and over? If it's the latter, we cannot go on like this.

I'm stating my opinions and interpretations above.

However, I'm not going to bend over and let you have your way with me just because you think you're right.

I'll stand up for my own views thankyouverymuch.

[h0kuten]

I'm curious about how blowing up individual planets will just result in an empty void, so that doesn't count as "destroying the universe," but blowing the whole thing up, resulting in....an empty void, does count as "destroying the universe."

I mean, if I take a sledgehammer and knock down a wall, it's still as demolished as if I took a wrecking ball to it.
no it's not. The mass is still there. You would have to destroy all of the mass completely (from existence), for it to be entirely destroyed.

Blowing up the entire universe including the void, counts as destroying the universe.

Destroying just the planets, suns and moons doesn't. Because 99% of the mass of the universe isn't in those three things.

It defeats the purpose of the statement.

The only logical conclusion -backed by Occams Razor, is that Beerus could destroy all 'mass' in the known Universe.

How do you blow up a void?

What, pray tell, is the mass of the universe in, then? Empty space?

Destroying reality.

Super Boo affected reality in the original Manga. Surely a god of destruction can destroy a universe, considering he is able to traverse between the 12 universes.

[Kamiccolo9]

Destroying reality.

Super Boo affected reality in the original Manga. Surely a god of destruction can destroy a universe, considering he is able to traverse between the 12 universes.

So now Beerus can destroy reality. And this is based on....what, exactly? Buu making a hole that almost instantly repaired itself?

Citing Occam's Razor doesn't really work when you keep adding assumption after assumption after condition after condition to your initial premise.

But, of course, you're not here for legitimate discussion anyway, so au revoir to you.

[h0kuten]

Destroying reality.

Super Boo affected reality in the original Manga. Surely a god of destruction can destroy a universe, considering he is able to traverse between the 12 universes.

So now Beerus can destroy reality. And this is based on....what, exactly? Buu making a hole that almost instantly repaired itself?

Citing Occam's Razor doesn't really work when you keep adding assumption after assumption after condition after condition to your initial premise.

But, of course, you're not here for legitimate discussion anyway, so au revoir to you.

Super Boo affected reality and he's an ant compared to Beerus.

If you destroy a universe you destroy reality.

Come on man! Lol

Occams Razer states the opinion with the least amount of assumptions is the correct one. Let's take a look at this shall we?

Beerus: The Universe might disappear!

Opinion 1: He'll destroy planets and suns 1 by 1 until nothing is left.
Conclusion: There is no hint of any of that bullshit in the original statement.

Opinion 2: Beerus will destroy the entire Universe.
Conclusion: That's taking it pretty straight forward.

Conclusively: Opinion 2 is the correct interpretation according to Occams Razer. I took it at face value and didn't mold any bias around or or attempt to twist it in any means.

[Kamiccolo9]

Opinion 2: Beerus will destroy the entire Universe.
Conclusion: That's taking it pretty straight forward.

Conclusively: Opinion 2 is the correct interpretation according to Occams Razer. I took it at face value and didn't mold any bias around or or attempt to twist it in any means.

No, you extrapolated "Beerus will destroy the empty void of space by destroying reality itself, which I assume he's capable of because Buu, a magical being, once made a hole in reality that almost immediately restored itself, but it won't do that for Beerus just because."

I'm seeing a lot more assumptions there.

And the big point you seem to be missing, which isn't surprising since you have proven repeatedly that you don't know how either the Razor or logical fallacies work, is that Occam's Razor doesn't prove anything.

I could waste my time showing how flimsy your whole argument is, as I've done at least half a dozen times by now, but you will just stop responding and bring it up in some other thread again like you've done the last several times. And thus, I'm not going to bother. So, for realsies this time, I bid you adieu.

[h0kuten]

Opinion 2: Beerus will destroy the entire Universe.
Conclusion: That's taking it pretty straight forward.

Conclusively: Opinion 2 is the correct interpretation according to Occams Razer. I took it at face value and didn't mold any bias around or or attempt to twist it in any means.

No, you extrapolated "Beerus will destroy the empty void of space by destroying reality itself, which I assume he's capable of because Buu, a magical being, once made a hole in reality that almost immediately restored itself, but it won't do that for Beerus just because."

I'm seeing a lot more assumptions there.

And the big point you seem to be missing, which isn't surprising since you have proven repeatedly that you don't know how either the Razor or logical fallacies work, is that Occam's Razor doesn't prove anything.

I could waste my time showing how flimsy your whole argument is, as I've done at least half a dozen times by now, but you will just stop responding and bring it up in some other thread again like you've done the last several times. And thus, I'm not going to bother. So, for realsies this time, I bid you adieu.

I'm not making any assumption.

Beerus: The Universe will disappear.

Me: Interprets that as him destroying the Universe instantly.

It's that simple.

[Kamiccolo9]

Opinion 2: Beerus will destroy the entire Universe.
Conclusion: That's taking it pretty straight forward.

Conclusively: Opinion 2 is the correct interpretation according to Occams Razer. I took it at face value and didn't mold any bias around or or attempt to twist it in any means.

No, you extrapolated "Beerus will destroy the empty void of space by destroying reality itself, which I assume he's capable of because Buu, a magical being, once made a hole in reality that almost immediately restored itself, but it won't do that for Beerus just because."

I'm seeing a lot more assumptions there.

And the big point you seem to be missing, which isn't surprising since you have proven repeatedly that you don't know how either the Razor or logical fallacies work, is that Occam's Razor doesn't prove anything.

I could waste my time showing how flimsy your whole argument is, as I've done at least half a dozen times by now, but you will just stop responding and bring it up in some other thread again like you've done the last several times. And thus, I'm not going to bother. So, for realsies this time, I bid you adieu.

I'm not making any assumption.

Beerus: The Universe will disappear.

Me: Interprets that as him destroying the Universe instantly.

It's that simple.

And I could interpret that as destroying it piece by piece.

"Instantly" and "Piece by Piece" are assumptions. The only fact is that it would "disappear."

[h0kuten]

You can't because there is no implication of him destroying it 1 planet at a time. It also makes no sense, as I already proved above.

[Kamiccolo9]

You can't because there is no implication of him destroying it 1 planet at a time. It also makes no sense, as I already proved above.

You have a very strange definition of "proof."

[h0kuten]

You can't because there is no implication of him destroying it 1 planet at a time. It also makes no sense, as I already proved above.

You have a very strange definition of "proof."

Please show the statement where it states Beerus will destroy the Universe 1 planet at a time.

[Kamiccolo9]

You can't because there is no implication of him destroying it 1 planet at a time. It also makes no sense, as I already proved above.

You have a very strange definition of "proof."

Please show the statement where it states Beerus will destroy the Universe 1 planet at a time.

You do realize that works both ways, right? Where does it say he'll destroy it all at once?

[h0kuten]

Please show the statement where it states Beerus will destroy the Universe 1 planet at a time.

You do realize that works both ways, right? Where does it say he'll destroy it all at once?

Please show the statement.