Was _ really that bad/good as _?

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Anyway I think sabat is great as piccolo his voice is really smooth.

Personally, I felt Sabat's Piccolo for his entire Z run came off as rough, gruff, very deep, and really forced (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwvRU8ALAbs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXGFShVMEnw).

While it became a little smoother and less forced in Kai, he still has moments where he grunts and stutters pretty badly (see: BoG and the Bingo Tournament) and comes off as bland and generic. Granted, he's actually tolerable as Piccolo nowadays in Kai, but I honestly don't think he's the best man for the role (and Sabat's the one I grew up with).

I was talking about piccolo in kai . I haven't (and most likely will not) watch Funi's Z dub.

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Anyway I think sabat is great as piccolo his voice is really smooth.

Personally, I felt Sabat's Piccolo for his entire Z run came off as rough, gruff, very deep, and really forced (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwvRU8ALAbs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXGFShVMEnw).

While it became a little smoother and less forced in Kai, he still has moments where he grunts and stutters pretty badly (see: BoG and the Bingo Tournament) and comes off as bland and generic. Granted, he's actually tolerable as Piccolo nowadays in Kai, but I honestly don't think he's the best man for the role (and Sabat's the one I grew up with).

I was talking about piccolo in kai . I haven't (and most likely will not) watch Funi's Z dub.

I sadly can't ignore what Sabat did before myself, but to each their own.

That said, I still don't think Sabat's Kai Piccolo even comes close to McNeil's take on Piccolo. Sabat just bores me as Piccolo and I feel little to nothing when he voices the character- seems too reserved now, whereas I feel McNeil brought real character to the role and versatility, IMO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qShWep1UhP4.

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I don't like McNeil as piccolo, from the clips I've seen he had a surfer dude voice kinda.

I sadly can't ignore what Sabat did before myself, but to each their own..

I'm not ignoring it I've just haven't heard it.

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I don't like McNeil as piccolo, from the clips I've seen he had a surfer dude voice kinda.

I sadly can't ignore what Sabat did before myself, but to each their own..

I'm not ignoring it I've just haven't heard it.

I'm not hearing that at all: I think McNeil had this brooding, dark mysterious voice for Piccolo that was capable of sounding evil yet also kind when the time called for it- I guess it's just different opinions here.

I like most of Sabat's roles nowadays (especially his Vegeta- I don't like Drummond's take), but his Piccolo and Recoome still grate on me (the latter for obvious reasons).

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I don't like McNeil as piccolo, from the clips I've seen he had a surfer dude voice kinda.

I sadly can't ignore what Sabat did before myself, but to each their own..

I'm not ignoring it I've just haven't heard it.

I'm not hearing that at all: I think McNeil had this brooding, dark mysterious voice for Piccolo that was capable of sounding evil yet also kind when the time called for it- I guess it's just different opinions here.

I like most of Sabat's roles nowadays, but his Piccolo and Recoome still grate on me (the latter for obvious reasons).

Yeah different strokes from different folks, also it was when tenshinhan gets his arm PUNCHED off and piccolo says "watch out Tie(n)" is when I hear the surfer dude voice.

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Yeah different strokes from different folks, also it was when tenshinhan gets his arm PUNCHED off and piccolo says "watch out Tie(n)" is when I hear the surfer dude voice.

Oh, there I can sort of hear what you're saying, but I felt most of the time it was pretty consistent and avoided that tone.

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I thought Peter was pretty bad as Kid Goku since he did not sound like a child.

Was Ian Corlett really that bad as Roshi?


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yeah i don't hear what you hear either
I want to know what other Scott McNeil clips you watched aside from the one with Tienshinhans arm

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I have to agree again, where is the range? where is the depth? where is everything? Oh right nowhere to be found
With him i just hear some guy in a booth dubbing over Piccolo

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I have to agree again, where is the range? where is the depth? where is everything? Oh right nowhere to be found

You don't have to look far, there is depth to the performance.

I sadly can't ignore what Sabat did before myself

Then you aren't judging him on the merits of that performance.

he did not match the characters visual and just sounds like some whiny child

Guldo is whiny and high pitched doesn't mean child.

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again I hear none.

yeah he is, he just said why he doesnt like it even in Kai.

theres more to the character than just "whiny"
Highpitched doesn't mean child but that's what he sounds like.

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yeah he is, he just said why he doesnt like it even in Kai.

He said he can't ignore what he did in Z, which has no bearing on Kai.

What do you mean by depth?

theres more to the character than just "whiny"
Highpitched doesn't mean child but that's what he sounds like.

Now i think you just throw adjectives out there. There's no way anyone honestly thinks that a child delivered those lines. Guldo is pretty damn whiny, his only other gear is cocky, but those two aren't antithetical. What was so different about Klassen's version of the character?

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But he explained why its not good even now
He only seems to get PARTS of the character as if he saw a few traits like cynical, dark and serious on a wiki and based the entire performance on just those

You do it yourself
Klassen and the other two got the full character and also make him sound like cowardly slimeballs, Greg Ayres just makes him into a whiny brat
The others could be whiny too but Greg overdid it

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Do you think I'm asking for your definition because I don't know how to do a Google search or don't understand what it means? I'm asking because I don't know if you do. It's very easy to throw out terms like that, it's another to be clear on what you mean.

Klassen and the other two got the full character and also make him sound like cowardly slimeballs,

Nothing you said doesn't apply to Ayres. His Guldo is cowardly, whiny, and cocky when he's on the offensive.

The others could be whiny too but Greg overdid it

He's a villain! He can be whiny, that's a legitimate reading of who Guldo is.

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I meant you throw out adjectives yourself regardless if they make sense or not.

The other 3 aren't annoying though

Its a flanderized version, also see above

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I thought Peter was pretty bad as Kid Goku since he did not sound like a child.

Was Ian Corlett really that bad as Roshi?

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I have to agree again, where is the range? where is the depth? where is everything? Oh right nowhere to be found
With him i just hear some guy in a booth dubbing over Piccolo

Same on Kelamis as Kid Goku: why they didn't use Henderson as him in the Westwood dub, I do not know.

I thought Corlett was a decent Roshi: it could pass for an old man, which is something I can't say for a lot of Roshi's dub voices (Klassen especially was awful).

Exactly what I'm hearing with Sabat's Piccolo these days: can't say my thoughts any better than you.

Then you aren't judging him on the merits of that performance.

Guldo is whiny and high pitched doesn't mean child.

I am, though- I like most of Sabat's work, but his Piccolo is decent to me at best: his performance was very poor for a long duration of time, and even when he improved, it still comes off as lacking depth or emotion, meaning in my case different layers to the character with different variation in emotion without sounding monotone all the time- go look at BoG where the Bingo Tournament is- even now, he struggles to grunt or emote without sounding constipated. McNeil, I feel brought more range, depth, and versatility to the character, tbh.

I don't like Greg Ayres' Guldo, either, though it's because I feel it doesn't capture much about Guldo other than his cowardly side in my case.

Was Chris Sabat really that bad as Zarbon in the original 1999 Z dub? I thought he did a good imitation of Dobson there before degenerating into the 2005 Remastered Z "I'm too sexy for my shirt" rendition myself.

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Was Masako Nozawa that bad as T-u-r-l-e-s?

I think her performance as him is marvelous, without the character I couldn't imagine a "dark side" of Nozawa's-san.

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Was Masako Nozawa that bad as T-u-r-l-e-s?

I think her performance as him is marvelous, without the character I couldn't imagine a "dark side" of Nozawa's-san.

I thought Nozawa definitely got to explore her range there and it was okay, though I don't think Nozawa worked as well with Turles as she did with Goku since Goku's a goofy man child while Turles is an evil Saiyan warrior.

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Kirby Morrow did it so much better than he did, it was a good thing he came in when he did

at least his Piccolo isnt his Recomme, that's really the best I can say about it.

Havent heard Chris Sabat 1999 take on Zarbon. when does he voice him?

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I didnt like it, it was just a mismatch IMO and doesnt match the design. maybe if it was used on fanart of a more aged Turles as a good guy and maybe a gender swap.

Was Kirby Morrow really that bad as Kid Goku?

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Kirby Morrow did it so much better than he did, it was a good thing he came in when he did

at least his Piccolo isnt his Recomme, that's really the best I can say about it.

Havent heard Chris Sabat 1999 take on Zarbon. when does he voice him?

That's true, but I still found Morrow was badly miscast as Kid Goku.

Definitely: at least I can tolerate his Piccolo nowadays, which is something I can't say about Sabat's Recoome.

Around 8:54-8:57 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7wil7SXj4g

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he should drop Recomme. NOW.

Thats a lot better than the voice I know! Id say he was decent there but got bad later on, I have no idea why he did what he did to his voice.

Was Meredith McCoy really that good as 18?

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am, though- I like most of Sabat's work, but his Piccolo is decent to me at best: his performance was very poor for a long duration of time, and even when he improved, it still comes off as lacking depth or emotion, meaning in my case different layers to the character with different variation in emotion without sounding monotone all the time- go look at BoG where the Bingo Tournament is- even now, he struggles to grunt or emote without sounding constipated.

But that's not a great defense. You say he didn't bring much depth, but the evidence is the grunting, which I've never found much problem with, much less now. I believe what he says, he can scream when he needs to, but Piccolo is a fairly stoic character.

I meant you throw out adjectives yourself regardless if they make sense or not.

Examples? All you need to do is ask me and I'll try to clarify and give examples of what I'm talking about.

I don't like Greg Ayres' Guldo, either, though it's because I feel it doesn't capture much about Guldo other than his cowardly side in my case.

He's not a deep multifaceted character. He's a coward. Then when he gets the upper hand, he becomes arrogant. What more is there to him?

McNeil, I feel brought more range, depth

What ranger are you referring to? Sabat's Piccolo isn't monotonous and has plenty of depth. Could you go more into this?

That's true, but I still found Morrow was badly miscast as Kid Goku.
He was also badly miscast as adult Goku. I haven't heard anything from him that lends itself to Goku's personality. It lacks energy and the youthful exhuberance that Goku needs. His voice is also rather bland. I have to keep listening to it because it isn't distinct enough.