Base Cabba stronger than ssj3 Gotenks?

[Anime Kitten]

They can still be sensed in Base when powered-up, though. That goes against the idea of them using God Chi in Base.

Exactly what supports them being able to turn it on and off.

[Kaboom]

that theory literally exists to downplay super and is not consistent with dragon ball ie Goku never used ssj power in base form but i could argue he did here and there

Two things, ryan s...

1) Please don't act like this, as if your approach to Super's power levels is the only correct one, and that everyone who thinks differently just has some sort of ulterior motive. Any way you slice it, Super is a confusing, badly-written mess of a series, and in the end everyone's going to have their own ways to try making sense of it.

2) Please work on your spelling and grammar. This is not a chat room, where speed is of the essence. Take the minimum time and effort required to make your posts look fully respectable and legible.

[Anime Kitten]

Any way you slice it, Super is a confusing, badly-written mess of a series, and in the end everyone's going to have their own ways to try making sense of it.

With all due respect, that's still opinion.

[ryan s]

I agree Super is a mess ( a dam good mess) but Act like what? i gave my opinion and gave reasons why i think that way, that is how debates work, if you think i am being condescending and that i am thinking i am always right you are drawing assumptions from what i have written and those assumptions are wrong, i can see why you would think that but i guess it is just the way i write, when talking about most things in Dragon Ball it is subjective so i don`t see how i could think i am right when there is literally no truth.

someone could argue Beerus>Whis in super and i could not prove them wrong and they could provide good evidence

Understood on point 2

[ChaosLordBrandon]

Of course Base Cabba is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks. SSJ3 Gotenks attacked base Copy Vegeta and did nothing while Vegeta said him and Cabba are equals in base. There is nothing complex or complicated about it lol.

[ryan s]

Of course Base Cabba is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks. SSJ3 Gotenks attacked base Copy Vegeta and did nothing while Vegeta said him and Cabba are equals in base. There is nothing complex or complicated about it lol.

I would agree Cabba is above SSJ3 Gotenks in his base, but i don`t think he was equal with Vegeta as Vegeta tanked his SSJ punch

[dbgtFO]

Of course Base Cabba is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks. SSJ3 Gotenks attacked base Copy Vegeta and did nothing while Vegeta said him and Cabba are equals in base. There is nothing complex or complicated about it lol.

Sure, if you ignore facts; base Vegeta's power had risen, since the tournament, as stated by Goku, so the claim that Base Cabba could take down SS3 Gotenks falls flat on its face, as base Cabba only equalled Champa Arc base Vegeta, not copy-arc base Vegeta.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Was Base Vegeta during the Champa arc stated to be weaker than Gotenks?

[dbgtFO]

Was Base Vegeta during the Champa arc stated to be weaker than Gotenks?

Ain't nobody got time for rhetorical questions that prove nothing.
If you have the proof, then present it.
I proved why the guy above me used faulty logic. If I'm using faulty logic, then please show it, I implore you too. These ridiculous debates do not have to drag on, if there is undeniable proof available.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

It was actually an honest question since I haven't seen all of the Copy Vegeta episodes, but thanks for the response.

[dbgtFO]

It was actually an honest question since I haven't seen all of the Copy Vegeta episodes, but thanks for the response.

Lol, I completely misjudged that, sorry about that

[TheMikado]

Any way you slice it, Super is a confusing, badly-written mess of a series, and in the end everyone's going to have their own ways to try making sense of it.

With all due respect, that's still opinion.

Anyone with a high school level of understanding on literature and storytelling would agree. We can make the argument about bad art being subjective all day, but in general it can be defined by General opinion. There is a large general opinion, regardless of whether people like it or not, that Super has poor, sloppy, lazy writing especially when compared to its predecessors.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

It was actually an honest question since I haven't seen all of the Copy Vegeta episodes, but thanks for the response.

Lol, I completely misjudged that, sorry about that

It's cool. Based on my opinion in this debate, I can see how my question could've been interpreted that way.

[ryan s]

Was Base Vegeta during the Champa arc stated to be weaker than Gotenks?

Ain't nobody got time for rhetorical questions that prove nothing.
If you have the proof, then present it.
I proved why the guy above me used faulty logic. If I'm using faulty logic, then please show it, I implore you too. These ridiculous debates do not have to drag on, if there is undeniable proof available.

Copy Vegeta arc takes place only a little after

[Hugo Boss]

Still, Goku notes Vegeta's power has become greater since the tournament. It doesn't specify by how much.

[ryan s]

Still, Goku notes Vegeta's power has become greater since the tournament. It doesn't specify by how much.

Good point, i completely forgot about that, still even before they trained three years they would be around super vegito in base

[dragon boss z]

Any way you slice it, Super is a confusing, badly-written mess of a series, and in the end everyone's going to have their own ways to try making sense of it.

With all due respect, that's still opinion.

Anyone with a high school level of understanding on literature and storytelling would agree. We can make the argument about bad art being subjective all day, but in general it can be defined by General opinion. There is a large general opinion, regardless of whether people like it or not, that Super has poor, sloppy, lazy writing especially when compared to its predecessors.

Yep Super makes no sense. In the filler arc base Goku was written to be stronger than ssj3 Gotenks. Now in the future Trunks arc his ssj2 is written to be slightly stronger than Trunk's ssj2 form, who was still buu saga tier.

[dragon boss z]

I've come to the conclusion that power scaling is so bad now that you might as well just say they are as strong as the story needs them to be.
Since base Cabba hasn't reached ssj level yet that makes him weaker than Namek saga Frieza. The end.

[Saiyan007]

I've come to the conclusion that power scaling is so bad now that you might as well just say they are as strong as the story needs them to be.

You can say that about every character in any fictional work.

Since base Cabba hasn't reached ssj level yet that makes him weaker than Namek saga Frieza. The end.

and you'd be laughably wrong

[TheMikado]

I've come to the conclusion that power scaling is so bad now that you might as well just say they are as strong as the story needs them to be.

You can say that about every character in any fictional work.

Since base Cabba hasn't reached ssj level yet that makes him weaker than Namek saga Frieza. The end.

and you'd be laughably wrong

Would that make you hilariously right?