What are you most happy and agitated with regarding super?

[Kuririn Fan]

Ideally, yes, Videl should have been the one to get slapped by Beerus. Logically, it would have made sense for Gohan to get the rage boost, especially just finding out she's pregnant.

Gohan is my second favorite character, it's so sad what Toriyama did to him in RoF and he wasn't even in the tournament. Fuck, it's just Goku and Vegeta now, i guess.

[ryou766]

Gohan should have found some motivation to continue his training. He has a family now that he needs to protect, and they can't always rely on Goku and Vegeta to come out of the blue and save the day.

We all saw what happened during the RoF arc and if Goku hadn't sensed Gohan's ki and used instantaneous movement to arrive at the scene, it would have been good game for them all.

[Shinomori]

The SSJ3 transformation appears to be something new for instance, there appears to be some thought behind it.

Yet for some reason it's the most underused form in the franchise.

I understand not wanting Goku to use it to win against Buu cause that's what happened with the last 2 forms but in Super it should've been used for an arc or 2 before introducing Ssjg.

Or better yet, instead of Ssjg being a form, it should've been a power that can only be accessed with the Saiyan's strongest form so that way Goku and Vegeta could use Ssj3 against Beerus, Freeza & Hit.

Yeah I thought the show would give Goku in his SSJ3 form more shine, especially since it's semi-highlighted in the opening. I always found it a shame just about every time Goku entered that state, he had problems controlling it or that it drained him.

[sintzu]

Toriyama is just really bad at utilising characters it is as simple as that.

Which is why he should have someone working with him on the script.

Not only would that help give other characters a bigger role but it would also avoid plot holes and out of character moments.

I'll take GT Vegeta over Super Vegeta, the fanboys of him might hate it but GT did a far better job of taking Vegeta to his logical conclusion after the Boo Saga.

Vegeta becoming a main character is also a logical next step from the Buu arc but his GT behavior felt more natural so they both work but not on their own.

Gohan should have found some motivation to continue his training.

What happened with Buu should've been enough to motivate him but the problem is the writers aren't using in-universe logic to depict these characters, they're just doing what they want to do regardless of it making sense or not.

[Shinomori]

For me, there's not a whole lot I'm happy with in Super, but I still enjoy the show as a fan. It's like what "Legend of Korra" is in comparison with "Avatar the Last Airbender", it doesn't come anywhere close with it's parent series but I still enjoy the elements of the show.

So, on to the things I dislike. Well, I hate how this show has taken a complete dump on Piccolo. This cat used to be on par with Goku, once forming the strongest tag team the planet has ever seen to take down Raditz. Man, have those glory days come and gone. He's now regulated as a baby sitter and is one of the weakest characters in the show. How in the world did Toriyama allow this to happen is beyond me!

Another thing I dislike is the serious dumbing down of Goku's character. This dude has never been this stupid. A lot of people don't like the idea of an evil Goku being presented in the series, but I'm really relieved to see it happen because I need to see a smarter Goku desperately. I'm actually hoping Goku is the one that becomes evil and seeing the potara earring on the promotional art is promising. One It would mean Goku would become smarter and two, it ensures Goku will not be the main hero of this arc.

Finally, the things I hate about this series overall is the lack of creativity. The Super Saiyan God, Super Saiyan Blue, and Golden Frieza transformations are all lazy concepts. The SSG transformation is (or was) nothing but a funky version of the kaioken. The SSGB transformation is nothing but coloring Goku and Vegeta's hair blue while in the super saiyan form. I'm still waiting for Goku to go SSGB3, and wondering why he didn't do it against Hit. Then there is Golden Frieza. My thought was if you were going to bring this guy back for a third time, at least give him a true transformation. This could have been Frieza's best moment yet, instead all they did was give him a gold and purple tent, signifying that Frieza is nothing but royal scum. In all theses cases fans were excited about these things, but all I saw is lazy, lazy, lazy ideas. Again people are excitedly expecting to see Super Saiyan God White, but that to is nothing but laziness. What's next? SSG Green? SSG Orange? SSG Rainbow? (By the way, if SSG White is a more unique design than simply turning their hair white in super saiyan form, I will officially apologize for my rantings. The best saiyan transformation in my book is not even canon. Of course yall know I'm referring to the SSJ4 GT transformation.)

Yep, so those are my biggest problems with the show. I didn't even bother to mention Gohan. He officially died during the Cell arc.

Toriyama is just really bad at utilising characters it is as simple as that.

Yeah, and I think it's also because he never really intended for the series to go on as long as it has. I always thought the Frieza saga was originally supposed to be the end of the series, but he may have been intending to end it after the Saiyan arc. So he's trying to merge new ideas with old ones he hasn't thought about in years. That's my take.

[sintzu]

Yeah, and I think it's also because he never really intended for the series to go on as long as it has. I always thought the Frieza saga was originally supposed to be the end of the series, but he may have been intending to end it after the Saiyan arc. So he's trying to merge new ideas with old ones he hasn't thought about in years. That's my take.

After the Freeza arc he said he wanted to continue even though he had been doing it for so long and in a recent interview he said he didn't feel like Cell would be the right place to end it at.

[Khin]

It's all about presentation and usefulness. Piccolo is as useful as the weakest characters in the show. Of course when bringing up the universe 6 fighters, it's hard to talk on how powerful they are. There's reason to believe Goku and Vegeta could have beaten Frost in their base forms. I could argue they could have taken everyone out except Hit in their base forms. Yet when Piccolo fought Frost, he was already worn down by Goku. Even then, Goku told Piccolo he stood no shot at beating Frost straight up. I may have used hyperbole with Krillin and Piccolo, but come on, they both have the same amount of usefulness in the series. I still question why Gohan asked Piccolo to train him and not someone like Whis.

With the transformations, SSJ2 (Particularly when it came to Teen Gohan) and the SSJ3 transformations had significance. In this case if I were to distinguish between simple and lazy, yeah you might say they were simple changes. I love those simple changes. What I'm seeing with the SSG, SSGB, and Golden Frieza transformations are nothing but lazy rehashes. I rather you change size of the character, the length of their hair, and so on over just changing the color of their hair and skin. The SSJ3 transformation appears to be something new for instance, there appears to be some thought behind it. However with the SSGB, I imagine Toriyama just sitting back in his chair and thinking 'You know what, I'm going to give Goku's super saiyan form blue hair.' You get the same idea with two people choosing to play Goku in a fighting game.

Goku told Piccolo he stands no chance against Frost. But Piccolo later said everyone was underestimating him and proceeds to put up a good fight. How is Piccolo useful in Cell Games and Buu Arc by the way ? Late Buu Arc made Piccolo a gag character with the Gotenks stuff. And no, it was never implied anywhere that Base Goku or Vegeta can beat anyone barring Hit.

And how is that any different than "i think i'm going to give Goku a longer hair with removed eyebrows" ? Seriously, it's the same ,no matter how you look at it. Have Super Saiyan Blue be Gohan's transformation in the Cell Games, and people would say how "cool and badass" the form is. Have the Super Saiyan 2 being the Super Saiyan God, and people would call it a "lazy" transformation.

That fact that Toriyama himself said that the reason why he turned Freeza Gold because his design couldn't be any more simpler, further proves my point.

[Faisal Shourov]

Happy - they should some feats

Agitated- shitty art, shitty animation, no explanation for Super Saiyan Blue, universe 6 powerscaling issues, awful choreography, Goku's voice, RoF arc

Overall it's a really bad show, only watching because Dragon Ball.

[pacz360]

Gohan should have found some motivation to continue his training. He has a family now that he needs to protect, and they can't always rely on Goku and Vegeta to come out of the blue and save the day.

We all saw what happened during the RoF arc and if Goku hadn't sensed Gohan's ki and used instantaneous movement to arrive at the scene, it would have been good game for them all.

Not only that goku and vegeta couldnt even protect the planet in rof whis practically saved their asses in that arc.

[pacz360]

The problem with gohan character in super is that they really dont do anything to him to say "see guys gohan doesnt have to be ssj2 teen/mystic gohan badass days look at him doing other stuff that could benefit the cast" instead it just hes a scholar thats it we dont even know what he studies or his job is. They shouldve had him create some book of ki or something that could do something for the earthlings on earth instead he just this boring family man.

[Shinomori]

The series is beginning to hit it's stride with this Future Trunks arc, but at the same time I'm not yet getting too excited. I still would like them to do a time skip so we can see our younger characters get some real shine. I especially want to see Pan's progress, and if Toriyama was ballsy, see her surpass Goku because she has been shown to have more potential than he or Gohan ever had as kids. (As a fetus she helped her Grandpa go SSG for crying out loud)

Now let me mention another thing I'm kind of bothered with in regards to Super. I hate the revisionist history we've seen within the first two arcs. Making us have to rethink what we knew 10-20 years ago about the series. For instance, before Super, the entirety of the saiyan race were blood thirsty brutes who constantly sought battles. There was no such thing as a "good" saiyan, not until Goku bumped his head that is. Yet with the introduction of Battle of Gods, we find out there were "good" saiyans who formed the first Super Saiyan God to fight off the bad saiyans. To me that cheapens what was unique about Goku. How Frieza taunted Goku in saying his race was no different than himself, to which Goku responded they paid for their crimes and now it was Frieza's turn. What it also did was cheapen Vegeta's own progression toward being good because unlike Goku, Vegeta had to unlearn his ruthless nature and adapt to earth life.

Another revisionist thing I hated is how Frieza is shown to know about both Beerus and Majin Buu. Now I will say even back then, Toriyama had revisionist things going on with his series. Frieza himself was probably an add on to what we previously knew concerning the saiyans. Yet what really bugged me about finding out Frieza knowing of Beerus' and Buu's existence is that Frieza bragged about being the strongest fighter in the universe during the Namek saga. Even before that he acted like a conqueror when he over saw the saiyans. Well, how could he brag about those things if he knew Buu and Beerus could whip his butt. In fact from what we are told from the BoG movie, Frieza was pretty much Beerus' slave as much as Vegeta was Freeza's. So these were some extra things that got on my nerves concerning Super.

[Faisal Shourov]

Another revisionist thing I hated is how Frieza is shown to know about both Beerus and Majin Buu. Now I will say even back then, Toriyama had revisionist things going on with his series. Frieza himself was probably an add on to what we previously knew concerning the saiyans. Yet what really bugged me about finding out Frieza knowing of Beerus' and Buu's existence is that Frieza bragged about being the strongest fighter in the universe during the Namek saga. Even before that he acted like a conqueror when he over saw the saiyans. Well, how could he brag about those things if he knew Buu and Beerus could whip his butt. In fact from what we are told from the BoG movie, Frieza was pretty much Beerus' slave as much as Vegeta was Freeza's. So these were some extra things that got on my nerves concerning Super.

Frieza being strongest in the Universe was a false claim, just like Burter being the fastest. Burter knew about Frieza and was his direct underling, yet he dared to say nonsense.

If you're talking about retcons, there are bigger retcons coming up. The entire cosmos was retconned from four galaxy to 12 universe, and Beerus and Whis popped out of nowhere. Not once the Kai's talked about Hakaishin. I think those are bigger asspull than Frieza's claim

[Dbzfan94]

Most happy
- Baby Pan in episode 43, and that they arent forgetting the Goku / Pan bond

Most agitated
-God ki in general

[Grimlock]

So far, I'm most happy with the introduction of Zeno, they literally add Marvel's Living Tribunal to Dragon Ball franchise and I freaking love these stuff, Multiverse and supreme beings are in my zone.

While Goku Black doesn't seem something new to me as there was Turles before him, I do hope his existance means a threat to the Multiverse and that we really see Kaioshins, Hakaishins and Zeno fighting, that would contribute to my happiness in regards to Dragon Ball Super so far.

[Dbzfan94]

Ideally, yes, Videl should have been the one to get slapped by Beerus. Logically, it would have made sense for Gohan to get the rage boost, especially just finding out she's pregnant.

Gohan is my second favorite character, it's so sad what Toriyama did to him in RoF and he wasn't even in the tournament. Fuck, it's just Goku and Vegeta now, i guess.

I know I'm replying to a banned account, but I agree with this so much. Poor Gohan is Yamcha 2.0

[Abel Taylor]

I think Piccolo's role now is really hazy, as he is made out to be strong so that someone who beats him has some threat to them, which is cool, but the execution has been lame at points. I feel as if Tagoma beating him as he did is the biggest example. On one hand, it shows Tagoma is strong by him beating Piccolo, but the degree by which he did was stupid. It honestly made me mad that Tagoma overpowered Piccolo as much as he did really made me mad, especially when he ripped off his arm. It also doesn't help that they make an untransformed Gohan around the same level as or greater than Piccolo. Honestly, if SSJ Gohan was around the same or a moderate bit stronger than Piccolo, and Tagoma narrowly beat out Piccolo only to get beat by SSJ Gohan after a good struggle, it wouldn't have been so bad.

The Frieza saga itself sucked too, especially compared to the Z/Kai Frieza Saga and Resurrection F. The animation was horrible, and there were only a few scenes I liked per episode. The beginning of the saga was nice, and I liked each episode a little at first, but it honestly sucks. Especially Goku vs Frieza. I don't care too much about the anime directors and such, but the scenes people kept praising Tate for sucked too, to me.

I loved the first few episodes of Super. The expansion on Battle of Gods was great, and I loved watching Beerus' and Goku's going-ons. That said, I would have appreciated if it was a little longer. We also haven't seen the scene with Champa and Vados on Beerus' temple from the beginning. Considering how mad he seems at Beerus and that it looks similar to the Cake scene from the manga, I think it was supposed to be in the anime but got thrown out for whatever reason.

I think the Universe 6 tournament was pretty good. SSJ was cool, but it kinda messes up the "Saiyan Beyond God" thing. Better animation was wanted at points, but it was nice. Piccolo vs Frost was great, as was Goku vs Hit.

SSGSS Kaioken is amazing, and definitely one of my favorite things in all of Dragon Ball. Goku Black is looking pretty cool, as is Trunks with blue hair.

Not much of the animation person, but, besides the freelancer in that Goku vs Beerus episode, I like think Yamamuro has done the best.

[ekrolo2]

Something I'd like to see that hasn't been talked about much I've noticed is the lack of sagas now.

What I mean is, all the arcs so far are just arcs. They aren't these lengthy, status quo's that last for a really long time and define huge chunks of the series anymore. Every story we have starts and finishes in the span of 13 episodes but we've yet to see something like the Saiyan Saga. A threat or obstacle that'll take everyone a much longer period of time to overcome, creating essentially a new status quo for a sizeable portion.

[Grimlock]

I must add that I'm very happy to see that Future Trunks has indeed achieved Super Saiyan 2. I used to think none of the forms were ever be given to other characters (as Vegeta never went Super Saiyan 3, for example) but it's cool to see that others can still reach a new level.

[sintzu]

Something I'd like to see that hasn't been talked about much I've noticed is the lack of sagas now.

What I mean is, all the arcs so far are just arcs. They aren't these lengthy, status quo's that last for a really long time and define huge chunks of the series anymore. Every story we have starts and finishes in the span of 13 episodes but we've yet to see something like the Saiyan Saga. A threat or obstacle that'll take everyone a much longer period of time to overcome, creating essentially a new status quo for a sizeable portion.

I completely agree, another thing Super is lacking is character development.

In the original the characters were always changing and moving foreword which made the world feel alive but in Super everyone's the exact same as they were in ep1 even though we're up to ep50.

To add to what you said, the arcs feel very separate from one another, BOG has nothing to do with Buu or RF, RF has nothing to do with BOG or Champa, Champa has nothing to do with RF or Black & so far Black has nothing to do with Champa.

Another problem I have with the arcs is how light they are on content and what's there is very rushed and full of filler which makes them even shorter than they already are.

The way Super is put together makes it feel like a bunch of filler arcs or standalone movies which is really surprising cause they have the freedom to do whatever they want yet they're playing it extremely safe. it's like they're worried about it getting cancelled so they don't want to set up or change anything that might not get completed.

Maybe Black's arc will change that but them telling us who he is this soon gives me a feeling that it's not going to be much longer than what we've already got and the constant cutting away to Pilaf is going to make it even shorter.

[ekrolo2]

Something I'd like to see that hasn't been talked about much I've noticed is the lack of sagas now.

What I mean is, all the arcs so far are just arcs. They aren't these lengthy, status quo's that last for a really long time and define huge chunks of the series anymore. Every story we have starts and finishes in the span of 13 episodes but we've yet to see something like the Saiyan Saga. A threat or obstacle that'll take everyone a much longer period of time to overcome, creating essentially a new status quo for a sizeable portion.

I completely agree, another thing Super is lacking is character development.

In the original the characters were always changing and moving foreword which made the world feel alive but in Super everyone's the exact same as they were in ep1 even though we're up to ep50.

To add to what you said, the arcs feel very separate from one another, BOG has nothing to do with Buu or RF, RF has nothing to do with BOG or Champa, Champa has nothing to do with RF or Black & so far Black has nothing to do with Champa.

Another problem I have with the arcs is how light they are on content and what's there is very rushed and full of filler which makes them even shorter than they already are.

The way Super is put together makes it feel like a bunch of filler arcs or standalone movies which is really surprising cause they have the freedom to do whatever they want yet they're playing it extremely safe. it's like they're worried about it getting cancelled so they don't want to set up or change anything that might not get completed.

Maybe Black's arc will change that but them telling us who he is this soon gives me a feeling that it's not going to be much longer than what we've already got and the constant cutting away to Pilaf is going to make it even shorter.

I think the whole 10 year gap is limiting them with development. Setting it afterward would let you put Goten and Trunks in actually interesting situations, Gohan being a fully realized professor would let you at least use that for some good slice of life thing and of course Oob and Pan would be good for young, in development fighters.