A very important 10 year anniversary just passed (and your opinion on it)

[MarcBigleague]

I haven't watched the blu rays.

I've got screenshots xD

[ABED]

I haven't watched the blu rays.

I've got screenshots xD

I don't like judging this sort of thing off screen shots.

[MarcBigleague]

I haven't watched the blu rays.

I've got screenshots xD

I don't like judging this sort of thing off screen shots.

xD I get you. It can be hard sometimes since maybe in the next shot the season blurays will look better than orange bricks.

[ABED]

And things could look fine in motion, but terrible freeze framed.

[MarcBigleague]

And things could look fine in motion, but terrible freeze framed.

This is true as well. Vice versa. Orange bricks might lookg good freeze framed but in motion you see crawling degraining residual xD

[NitroEX]

You know what's really sad? The comment section of this video. So many people in denial about the image quality, some of them even berating the people in the video/calling them nerds just for speaking the uncomfortable truth.

How dare they make you feel buyers remorse. I mean, who cares if there are better releases? Best just to double down on ignorance instead.

This is the legacy of the orange bricks, folks. Happy 10th anniversary.

[Robo4900]

OMG why? What did he do? I just checked his channel and there's a video with crystal clear audio on his channel for the Jpn dub. But I won't link in case we go off topic.

He has some samples he got from some people who actually have that stuff. He's currently trying to con people into buying this stuff off him, even though he almost certainly doesn't have it. And even if he does, Derek Padula has confirmed Chris Sabat now has that same stuff, so it'll probably end up on a release at some point, probably with some EQing and such to make it sound even better.


Anyway, on the actual topic, the Bricks were really bad for the line disappearances, the half-assed processing in general, the terrible cropping, and the poor colours. They look more organic than the Blu-Rays, but the Blu-Rays also have better colours and cropping, and less line disappearances. So, the Bricks are more faithful to the look of the show, but the Blu-Rays don't have as many technical hiccups. But really, it doesn't matter. They're both awful, and neither are worth anyone's time or money. Unfortunately, it's all we have, so we're stuck with it. And the fact the Bricks started this all basically means this is a 10th anniversary to be celebrated along the lines of the upcoming 30th anniversary of Doctor Who being unceremoniously cancelled after years of the heads of the BBC slowly starving it. Which is to say, this is an anniversary of a prime example of art and business mixing like oil and vinegar.

[MarcBigleague]

OMG why? What did he do? I just checked his channel and there's a video with crystal clear audio on his channel for the Jpn dub. But I won't link in case we go off topic.

He has some samples he got from some people who actually have that stuff. He's currently trying to con people into buying this stuff off him, even though he almost certainly doesn't have it. And even if he does, Derek Padula has confirmed Chris Sabat now has that same stuff, so it'll probably end up on a release at some point, probably with some EQing and such to make it sound even better.


Anyway, on the actual topic, the Bricks were really bad for the line disappearances, the half-assed processing in general, the terrible cropping, and the poor colours. They look more organic than the Blu-Rays, but the Blu-Rays also have better colours and cropping, and less line disappearances. So, the Bricks are more faithful to the look of the show, but the Blu-Rays don't have as many technical hiccups. But really, it doesn't matter. They're both awful, and neither are worth anyone's time or money. Unfortunately, it's all we have, so we're stuck with it. And the fact the Bricks started this all basically means this is a 10th anniversary to be celebrated along the lines of the upcoming 30th anniversary of Doctor Who being unceremoniously cancelled after years of the heads of the BBC slowly starving it. Which is to say, this is an anniversary of a prime example of art and business mixing like oil and vinegar.

This Enigmo boy sounds menacing xD like in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure when they do the video fx that says "menacing" in japanese writing haha
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And Robo4900 I like how you politely said your good points but I've got to say I disagree with you saying the colours are better on the blurays than on the orange bricks. I only bought orange bricks season 1 today and I already know since 2009 that Freeza Saga looks way worse on orange bricks but so far on season 1 I have made the verdict that Orange Bricks is superior than blurays for good colours. You can check my comparisons above to see my evidence.

[Footlong Shoe]

So you are going to dismiss an entire 291-episode release because a few frames of certain episodes had computing issues?

If you've seen Dragon Ball Z, you should know that this screen-shaking effect is used all the time, and it's pretty goddamn distracting when a character loses half of their face because of it. This is a major issue, and the multitude of other problems the Orange Bricks have doesn't help. So yes, I will dismiss an entire 291-episode release, especially when there are much better options.

[MarcBigleague]

So you are going to dismiss an entire 291-episode release because a few frames of certain episodes had computing issues?

If you've seen Dragon Ball Z, you should know that this screen-shaking effect is used all the time, and it's pretty goddamn distracting when a character loses half of their face because of it. This is a major issue, and the multitude of other problems the Orange Bricks have doesn't help. So yes, I will dismiss an entire 291-episode release, especially when there are much better options.

Well as my friend ABED said things can look different in motion. if possible could you provide a video example? I've seen that Bejita one on the internet so many times it's just become a stock image essentially. Everyone using ONE same picture over and over to complaina bout 291 episodes is a bit funny xD I'd rather see vids

[sangofe]

So my verdict today is that the orange bricks are better than the season blurays. But this can change if I come across more examples later on the road.

I'm not going to argue about those colors, but I will show you the sole reason I prefer the Blu-ray seasons over the Orange Bricks.


(Dragon Box on the left, Brick on the right)

The Bricks had such a strong layer of DVNR that the automated process would process lines as dirt during scenes where the screen either shakes, or rapidly flashes. Those lines would then be removed, such as in the image above. I think this example in itself is a testament to how half-assed this DVD was, and how unacceptable it is to release this as a finished product.

The Blu-rays don't have this issue.

You use a dragon box vs season set screen capture to prove your point 0.o?

[MarcBigleague]

So my verdict today is that the orange bricks are better than the season blurays. But this can change if I come across more examples later on the road.

I'm not going to argue about those colors, but I will show you the sole reason I prefer the Blu-ray seasons over the Orange Bricks.


(Dragon Box on the left, Brick on the right)

The Bricks had such a strong layer of DVNR that the automated process would process lines as dirt during scenes where the screen either shakes, or rapidly flashes. Those lines would then be removed, such as in the image above. I think this example in itself is a testament to how half-assed this DVD was, and how unacceptable it is to release this as a finished product.

The Blu-rays don't have this issue.

You use a dragon box vs season set screen capture to prove your point 0.o?

I know haha I was thinking that was strange too since we were comparing bluray set vs orange bricks haha

We all already know Dragon Box is the best. We're not casual DBZ fans

[Jinzoningen MULE]

So you are going to dismiss an entire 291-episode release because a few frames of certain episodes had computing issues? https://youtu.be/yWDAw2nsIjw

A huge portion of the release had this problem. That frame of Vegeta just happens to be the most obvious one in the entire release. (In fact, both the Bricks and the Blu-rays became ten times worse during Namek, make your own guess as to why.) Even the last 3 or 4 Seasons, which is the best portion of the bricks, have disappearing lines, all because of Funimation's unhealthy hatred of grain.

A) Orange Bricks somehow look more organic than the Blurays
B) Season Blurays have defied logic and managed to look both bleached and faded at the same time

It's the "Flash look" that I was talking about. With the Orange Bricks, they didn't blur and re-sharpen to the same extent as they did with the Blu-rays. However, the Orange Bricks are far worse in the "bleached" category, to the point where it even occasionally erases the shading on their faces. The Blu-rays are also better in almost every other aspect. Color, contrast, cropping, line-work. They don't even compare

[MarcBigleague]

the Orange Bricks are far worse in the "bleached" category, to the point where it even occasionally erases the shading on their faces. The Blu-rays are also better in almost every other aspect. Color, contrast, cropping, line-work. They don't even compare

NANI?

Yes or no, did you see the screenshots I posted? xD

[Jinzoningen MULE]

the Orange Bricks are far worse in the "bleached" category, to the point where it even occasionally erases the shading on their faces. The Blu-rays are also better in almost every other aspect. Color, contrast, cropping, line-work. They don't even compare

NANI?

Yes or no, did you see the screenshots I posted? xD

Yes, but that's not indicative of the whole product. The later Saiyan Arc on Blu-ray is remarkably bad, especially because of that yellow tint over the characters' skin.

[MarcBigleague]

the Orange Bricks are far worse in the "bleached" category, to the point where it even occasionally erases the shading on their faces. The Blu-rays are also better in almost every other aspect. Color, contrast, cropping, line-work. They don't even compare

NANI?

Yes or no, did you see the screenshots I posted? xD

Yes, but that's not indicative of the whole product. The later Saiyan Arc on Blu-ray is remarkably bad, especially because of that yellow tint over the characters' skin.

Show me instances of where the colours in the orange bricks are worse than the blurays. We can't make bold statements without evidence haha Jinzoningen ;P

[Jinzoningen MULE]

NANI?

Yes or no, did you see the screenshots I posted? xD

Yes, but that's not indicative of the whole product. The later Saiyan Arc on Blu-ray is remarkably bad, especially because of that yellow tint over the characters' skin.

Show me instances of where the colours in the orange bricks are worse than the blurays. We can't make bold statements without evidence haha Jinzoningen ;P

I don't own the Orange Bricks, but I'm sure I can grab something. Give me a few minutes.

Edit: Grabbing them now, and spoiler alert, I was right. I'll have everything up in a few minutes.

[MarcBigleague]

Yes, but that's not indicative of the whole product. The later Saiyan Arc on Blu-ray is remarkably bad, especially because of that yellow tint over the characters' skin.

Show me instances of where the colours in the orange bricks are worse than the blurays. We can't make bold statements without evidence haha Jinzoningen ;P

I don't own the Orange Bricks, but I'm sure I can grab something. Give me a few minutes.

Edit: Grabbing them now, and spoiler alert, I was right. I'll have everything up in a few minutes.

Tell me where you get those orange bricks caps from though

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Tell me where you get those orange bricks caps from though

I can't do that for obvious reasons. Anyway, you were right on one front. I didn't realize that the Garlic Jr. episodes all the way through the Cell Games looks just like the later Saiyan Arc. So actually, a significant portion of the Blu-rays have worse coloring than the bricks.

I chose 3 comparisons that I thought were representative of their particular era in both releases:
[spoiler]Orange Bricks


Blu-rays
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[spoiler]Orange Bricks


Blu-rays
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[spoiler]Orange Bricks


Blu-rays
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[MarcBigleague]

Tell me where you get those orange bricks caps from though

I can't do that for obvious reasons. Anyway, you were right on one front. I didn't realize that the Garlic Jr. episodes all the way through the Cell Games looks just like the later Saiyan Arc. So actually, a significant portion of the Blu-rays have worse coloring than the bricks.

I chose 3 comparisons that I thought were representative of their particular era in both releases:
[spoiler]Orange Bricks


Blu-rays
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[spoiler]Orange Bricks


Blu-rays
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[spoiler]Orange Bricks


Blu-rays
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Okay so you essentially telling me you used an online encoder's release of orange bricks, more specifically their name is 4 letters and last 2 letters NL xD I knew you would do that and that is bad business. Their encodes were abysmal xD They were casual DBZ fans not Kanzenshuu fans like us and so they didn't know what they were doing and further modified the colours for the worse. I'll try to buy more Orange Bricks over the next 2-3 months and compare them properly

edit: Also why did you crop like weirdo the orange brick screenshots but not the bluray screenshots? That is shady behaviour...