Will Vegeta simply be humiliated again?

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Re: Will Vegeta simply be humiliated again?

Post by HeroR » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:13 am

Miracles wrote:
HeroR wrote:And Goku melted half of Merged Zamasu's face when Vegeta couldn't, which is a far better feat than Vegeta beating up Black.

Goku and Vegeta don't have a rivalry except on Vegeta's part. Goku has moved on
Vegeta didn't use full power against merged Zamasu. Galick-Ho is not his best. Final Flash is. Then he had enough Ki to shield Trunks from god's lightning.
There is no proof if Goku with Kaioken was stronger than Vegeta. Vegeta was definitely proven stronger than Goku blue against Black.
Why wouldn't he used his full power, especially since he was trying to help Future Trunks. Even if he didn't, you're tying to tell me that Vegeta is vastly stronger than Goku, but couldn't even dent Merged Zamasu with Trunks.

Goku has much better feat than Vegeta.
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Re: Will Vegeta simply be humiliated again?

Post by precita » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:14 am

Nano wrote: Hit? Lol, he's a joke now... has been since Goku hired him. More interested in the silhouettes from U6. I bet you one of them is the Mortal stronger than their GoD.
Hit's a joke? He's likely stronger than 90% of the fighters here and will most likely make it to the very end of the tournament.

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Re: Will Vegeta simply be humiliated again?

Post by Miracles » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:25 am

HeroR wrote:
Miracles wrote:
HeroR wrote:And Goku melted half of Merged Zamasu's face when Vegeta couldn't, which is a far better feat than Vegeta beating up Black.

Goku and Vegeta don't have a rivalry except on Vegeta's part. Goku has moved on
Vegeta didn't use full power against merged Zamasu. Galick-Ho is not his best. Final Flash is. Then he had enough Ki to shield Trunks from god's lightning.
There is no proof if Goku with Kaioken was stronger than Vegeta. Vegeta was definitely proven stronger than Goku blue against Black.
Why wouldn't he used his full power, especially since he was trying to help Future Trunks. Even if he didn't, you're tying to tell me that Vegeta is vastly stronger than Goku, but couldn't even dent Merged Zamasu with Trunks.

Goku has much better feat than Vegeta.
That's only cause Vegeta didn't use his strongest attack like Goku did...Final Flash.
Doesn't mean Goku was stronger than Vegeta then.

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Re: Will Vegeta simply be humiliated again?

Post by HeroR » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:31 am

Miracles wrote: That's only cause Vegeta didn't use his strongest attack like Goku did...Final Flash.
Doesn't mean Goku was stronger than Vegeta then.
That isn't how power scaling works. If Vegeta was stronger, he would be stronger despite whatever energy attack he uses. Like we don't say Tien is this strong based on his Tri-Beam Cannon or Piccolo based on his Special Beam Cannon. Plus, the attack Vegeta used is equal in power to Goku's Kamehameha, so saying 'while he didn't used the Final Flash', is a piss poor excuse.
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Re: Will Vegeta simply be humiliated again?

Post by KingKaash » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:32 am

HeroR wrote:
KingKaash wrote: Are we really going to argue this again? Goku isn't even the strongest character in this tournament so how is Beerus his rival? And if Goku does surpass Beerus then who will he shoot for next? Whis? Omni-King? Beerus is far down the line to surpass so he can't be consider an immediate rival of Goku. People like Vegeta and Frieza who are more closer to his power level are better suited as his rival.

Also Beerus hasn't even addressed Goku as a rival since BoG. Frieza and Goku, however, just displayed a major rivalry vibe in episode 95
Yes we are since we don't know if Goku is or isn't the strongest character at the tournament. You're just making an assumption. Goku sees Beerus ad his rival. It's the reason why he even bothered to try to merged the Kaioken with his god form, all to fight Beerus again and surpassed him. You're also making another assumption about where Goku stands next to Beerus. Vegeta and Freeze are not in the same league as Goku since Goku has the Kaioken and can now double his power with recoil. We also know when Goku surpassed Beerus, yes he will aimed for Whis and Zen'o. That is how Goku is, he wants to be the strongest, so his scope isn't just limited to Beerus.

Freeza's rivalry with Goku's is like Vegeta's. Namely, it's one-sided.
I believe you're making assumptions as well because if Beerus was Goku's rival then why wouldn't they focus on that rivalry instead of this ToP? If the plan is to surpass Beerus right now, then why all this showing of Frieza and Goku knocking each other out while Beerus stands there and watches?
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Re: Will Vegeta simply be humiliated again?

Post by GodKaio-Ken » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:11 pm

TheMikado wrote:
Nano wrote:How can anyone think Caulifla and or Kale stand a chance against Vegeta? They've just learned how to become Super Saiyans. He's been doing this shit years. And besides, if any SSJ form stands a chance against SSB then that would be just ridiculous. Then again we do have the Future Trunks bullshit so who knows, right?

Hit? Lol, he's a joke now... has been since Goku hired him. More interested in the silhouettes from U6. I bet you one of them is the Mortal stronger than their GoD.
Because fresh SSJ Cabba was about equal to SSJ Vegeta and the two new girls both have more potential and have forms above Cabba.
There should still be a massive gap between Cabba SSJ and Vegeta SSB...not just a slightly more powerful transformation.
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Re: Will Vegeta simply be humiliated again?

Post by kidhero1000 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:53 pm

He's Jobbing out to the power of love and I for one cannot wait.
He devolved into saying only one word. Time to hit the ol' cosmic trail.

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Re: Will Vegeta simply be humiliated again?

Post by Saturnine » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:11 pm

TheMikado wrote:
Nano wrote:How can anyone think Caulifla and or Kale stand a chance against Vegeta? They've just learned how to become Super Saiyans. He's been doing this shit years. And besides, if any SSJ form stands a chance against SSB then that would be just ridiculous. Then again we do have the Future Trunks bullshit so who knows, right?

Hit? Lol, he's a joke now... has been since Goku hired him. More interested in the silhouettes from U6. I bet you one of them is the Mortal stronger than their GoD.
Because fresh SSJ Cabba was about equal to SSJ Vegeta and the two new girls both have more potential and have forms above Cabba.
Only that no, he wasn't. Vegeta tanked his punch to the forehead without flinching, he's still stronger as a SSj, even though they're relatively even in base. I'd say it's Vegeta's mastery of SSj coming through.

Also, SSj Blue shits on anything Caulifla, Kale and Cabba can do.

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