Who really is the definitive Son Goku?

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Re: Who really is the definitive Son Goku?

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:02 pm

Cipher wrote:Who's the definitive James Bond? Sean Connery, or the guy who overdubbed his movies in Spain?
No one. I find this whole definitive thing arrogant and annoying.
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Re: Who really is the definitive Son Goku?

Post by Cipher » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:04 pm

8000 Saiyan wrote:No one. I find this whole definitive thing arrogant and annoying.
Replace Connery with the 007 actor of your choice.

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Re: Who really is the definitive Son Goku?

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:05 pm

Cipher wrote:
8000 Saiyan wrote:No one. I find this whole definitive thing arrogant and annoying.
Replace Connery with the 007 actor of your choice.
Connery's actually my favorite, although Craig is also great.
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Re: Who really is the definitive Son Goku?

Post by ABED » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:12 pm

I know other than Goldeneye his other Bond movies weren't good, but Brosnan is criminally underrated. As much as I like Connery, he's phoning it in by the end.
I find this whole definitive thing arrogant
How is it arrogant?
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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Re: Who really is the definitive Son Goku?

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:20 pm

ABED wrote:I know other than Goldeneye his other Bond movies weren't good, but Brosnan is criminally underrated. As much as I like Connery, he's phoning it in by the end.
I find this whole definitive thing arrogant
How is it arrogant?
It feels like people are saying: "Connery is the only Bond that matters, no else." At least that's how I feel about the definitive thing.
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Re: Who really is the definitive Son Goku?

Post by ABED » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:25 pm

It feels like people are saying: "Connery is the only Bond that matters, no else." At least that's how I feel about the definitive thing.
I get that but how is that any different from any other opinion or preference and how does that make it arrogant?
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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Re: Who really is the definitive Son Goku?

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:31 pm

ABED wrote:
It feels like people are saying: "Connery is the only Bond that matters, no else." At least that's how I feel about the definitive thing.
I get that but how is that any different from any other opinion or preference and how does that make it arrogant?
Because these people act as if they speak for everyone.
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Re: Who really is the definitive Son Goku?

Post by ABED » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:35 pm

I don't think they do. It's simply their opinion, like any other.
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Re: Who really is the definitive Son Goku?

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:36 pm

ABED wrote:I don't think they do. It's simply their opinion, like any other.
Maybe that's how I feel. I just think favorite is a better term than definitive.
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Re: Who really is the definitive Son Goku?

Post by Zephyr » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:45 pm

Not really sure what's arrogant about it. Subjective preference isn't even really at play, here. It's essentially nothing beyond a simple observation.

Strip away all of the overseas localisations, all of the derivatives, all of the adaptations, and there's literally only one Son Goku who is the least removable. One person who is synonymous with the character, in the place where it was made, to the people it was made for. One person who was handpicked to voice the character, by the original author, and has continued to do so even into the present. She was never a replacement for someone else, and she herself has never been replaced. She voiced him as a child, and she voices him as an adult.

There are many voices for the character who appear legally in official productions, but if that had to be reduced to one single voice, for whatever reason, there's absolutely no question as to who would remain. There is a core default as far as the people actually creating the content that goes on to be translated, localized, and adapted are concerned. That doesn't mean other voices are bad, worthless, trash, not allowed to be liked, not allowed to be preferred, etc. That's an absurd misunderstanding of the question.

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Re: Who really is the definitive Son Goku?

Post by MR.Mark » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:41 pm

Cipher wrote:Who's the definitive James Bond? Sean Connery, or the guy who overdubbed his movies in Spain?
James Bond Jr from the animated series, duh.

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