Super Episode 105 (27 August 2017)

[HeroR]

Let's think about this logically. Goku in base form has been shown sparring with Buu (an extremely powerful character), landing a few hits on Hit, going toe-to-toe with a powered-up final form Freeza, and tanking a powerful ki explosion from Piccolo, who previously defeated SSJ2 Gohan. These are feats astronomically higher than anything Roshi in DBZ would be capable of. Between the end of the Buu Saga and this tournament, it's been approximately six years (not 100% on that, but the exact amount is largely irrelevant). If what you say is true (that is, Roshi is on par with base Goku), then Roshi, an old human man, has become greater-than-Buu Saga level in that amount of time. That would likely be the BIGGEST jump in power in the history of the show. Scaled per time, that would mean if he had trained for Nappa and Vegeta's arrival, he would have easily stomped them when they arrived. If he had trained from the end of the Cell Games to the start of the Buu Saga, he could have stopped Buu himself. Both of those ideas seem ridiculous to me.

So no, I don't think Roshi is base Goku level. I think Ganos is Roshi-level, which is one of my main gripes with the episode.

It would be shorter than that. Roshi in Resurrection 'F' was the weakest Z-Fighter who got trashed by Togamo and couldn't do a thing against first form Freeza. Vegeta one-shotted Tagoma and Goku fought a stronger final form Freeza. Meaning, for Roshi to be stronger than even base form Goku from Resurrection 'F', he went from far weaker than Tagoma to being able to take on final form Freeza in about two years.

[Lionel]

LOL Grand Priest

I say wait until the manga commences with its own version of the tournament to see how well Kachi Katchin performs under the stress of so many fighters with varying calibres fighting at once.

[precita]

Roshi is probably around Saiyan Saga Vegeta level, and that's probably being generous. Ganos gave me vibes that he's somewhere around Nappa's level.

Anyone else would have blown away Ganos in the flick of a finger.

[MrBlackFox]

Sorry for Ganos, was one of my favorites among the fighters, but Roshi was just too good to think about him

What an awesome treatment Toei and Toriyama gave to our old master, I'd never imagined something this good, Roshi wasn't so strongly characterized since old DB times, applause for him

If the next to be taken out will be 17, Tien or Piccolo in place of him, this will be absolutely perfect

[Kanassa]

This is like that scene from the avengers:
Roshi: That's my secret, lady. I'm always horny!

Also, IS THAT HOWARD THE FUCKING DUCK!?

[precita]

Toei must really dislike Tien. Poor showing in the recruitment episodes, and he's barely done anything in this tournament and has remained in the background. And even Roshi is getting so much more to do than him.

Sometimes I honestly forget Tenshinhan is even in this arc.

[Ki Breaker]

This is like that scene from the avengers:
Roshi: That's my secret, lady. I'm always horny!

10/10 would say after a good smash..

Toei must really dislike Tien. Poor showing in the recruitment episodes, and he's barely done anything in this tournament and has remained in the background. And even Roshi is getting so much more to do than him.

Sometimes I honestly forget Tenshinhan is even in this arc.

He still isn't out yet, and if gets his own episode, then that would make him have one of his own plus helping hand in other's flights.. that's plenty good..

[SonReggie]

Enjoyed this one - a lot actually. It made a lot of sense in many ways.

Love the fact that Roshi's prior lack of action was attributed to him having kept out of sight, observing the fighting styles of those around him. Nice, tactical, thinking and it makes GREAT sense.
Also liked the fact that they DIDN'T pull the otherwise predictable 'Roshi loses because he can't control himself around women' - nice feint though, as they had us THINK that it might go that way. (Caway WAS totally cute though! )
We saw some other battles happening nearby
Great callbacks to the original Dragonball
Loved Master Roshi's speech. He may not have died as such but I did get the impression that he didn't expect to survive, so the emotional impact of that scene remains.
Beerus acknowledging Roshi - WIN!
And Roshi taking out FOUR competitors; uber-win! (though would imagine U4 is probably pretty pissed with him now! )
And finally, less focus on Goku. Brilliant - he's had more than enough attention of late!

Anyway, definitely a better-written episode than some of the recent ones in my opinion and my favourite of the arc so far.

[Kanassa]

Also, best scene in the entire episode
Beerus: That was close, Old Man.
Krillin: It's MUTEN ROSHI, BITCH!

[HeroR]

Also, best scene in the entire episode
Beerus: That was close, Old Man.
Krillin: It's MUTEN ROSHI, BITCH!

For me, it was Roshi reciting the Turtle School creed as he took his final stand. Masterful.

[Zagacious]

Are you guys forgetting the fact that Goku was fighting Ganos equally, and then Roshi was fighting Ganos equally, even defeating him after he became much more powerful than that? Goku could have been holding back for sure, but don't forget Roshi's comment about how Ganos could quickly become trouble for Goku and the others. It at least implies Roshi is somewhere near base Goku levels. And sure you might say "but he was holding back!" but honestly, someone go ahead and post that "holding backs per day" graph, cause that's all I gotta say about that. Literally a meme at this point. Can't even gauge anyone's power anymore because of that nonsense.

If Goku wants to hold back every single time he's in base form, then that automatically becomes the comparison and the new standard.

That just how inconsistent their power scaling actually is represented. Goku was holding back in every fight he's been in so far, it's even highlighted this episode when Roshi is actually in trouble he just walks away from the guy that looked like he had him trapped, that's part of why people are complaining about him being in everything. Not only does he overpower everyone, it messes up the power scaling because he's constantly holding back so people overestimate the fodder characters just because he isn't one shotting them like he should be. Him sparring with someone for a few seconds doesn't mean they are equal, that was the beginning of the Tournament and Goku just knocked him away after 2 seconds of sparring. Think about what you're saying, Roshi is a human. The fact you believe Roshi is as powerful as base Goku just shows they can't even keep track of their own power scaling.

Android 17 training in private for years is one thing, he's an android with seemingly unlimited endurance so he would benefit more from training, and even him being as powerful as he is now is a stretch. Compare that to a human training for years in private with no advanced tools at his disposal like training with the gods or gravity chamber (at least that we know of) and competing with base form Goku just makes no sense.

I'm also almost completely certain they weakened Ganos and the other 2 just so Roshi could have his own awesome episode, which I'm fine with, but it's making the representations of power even more messed up than they were.

[namekiansaiyan]

Toei must really dislike Tien. Poor showing in the recruitment episodes, and he's barely done anything in this tournament and has remained in the background. And even Roshi is getting so much more to do than him.

Sometimes I honestly forget Tenshinhan is even in this arc.

Tien and Piccolo are my 2 favourite characters and they havre been given shit in the first 9 episodes and it probably won't be that much different next episode as it looks like Goku and Vegeta are doing most of the work. It is a disgrace by Toei.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

Went into this episode thinking that I wouldn't enjoy it but I ended up really liking it. Loved the ending of it. It's always touching seeing Goku all emotional.

[Saturnine]

Holy shit, I really loved that episode! Roshi was such a badass, not to mention he was ready to put it all on the line and performed like a champ. Even his Disney Death didn't ruin it, actually it was super sweet of Goku to jump in and show how much he cares. Amazing episode, I didn't expect it to be so good, not by a long shot.

Toei must really dislike Tien. Poor showing in the recruitment episodes, and he's barely done anything in this tournament and has remained in the background. And even Roshi is getting so much more to do than him.

Sometimes I honestly forget Tenshinhan is even in this arc.

Tien and Piccolo are my 2 favourite characters and they havre been given shit in the first 9 episodes and it probably won't be that much different next episode as it looks like Goku and Vegeta are doing most of the work. It is a disgrace by Toei.

If you really think Tien won't get at least one more episode at least partially focused on him you're deluding yourself.

[namekiansaiyan]

Holy shit, I really loved that episode! Roshi was such a badass, not to mention he was ready to put it all on the line and performed like a champ. Even his Disney Death didn't ruin it, actually it was super sweet of Goku to jump in and show how much he cares. Amazing episode, I didn't expect it to be so good, not by a long shot.

Toei must really dislike Tien. Poor showing in the recruitment episodes, and he's barely done anything in this tournament and has remained in the background. And even Roshi is getting so much more to do than him.

Sometimes I honestly forget Tenshinhan is even in this arc.

Tien and Piccolo are my 2 favourite characters and they havre been given shit in the first 9 episodes and it probably won't be that much different next episode as it looks like Goku and Vegeta are doing most of the work. It is a disgrace by Toei.

If you really think Tien won't get at least one more episode at least partially focused on him you're deluding yourself.

I do think he will but he has had almost nothing so far and will get something next episode.

[BrolyKale]

It was a good episode, pretty fun to watch but I was disappointed with Ganos... thought he was an interesting character but not at all. That girl who jumped out of the ring too... come on now? your universe will get destroyed girl wtf are you doing...

[Legion]

Yeah ok, all the universes are fodder and U6/U7 will get stomped by Jiren for hype and other shit, but still respect Roshi.

Even someone like Beerus respects him

[sintzu]

Toei must really dislike Tien. Poor showing in the recruitment episodes, and he's barely done anything in this tournament and has remained in the background. And even Roshi is getting so much more to do than him.

Sometimes I honestly forget Tenshinhan is even in this arc.

Both Krillin and Tien got great episodes each so I think he'll get something as well.

Tien and Piccolo are my 2 favourite characters and they havre been given shit in the first 9 episodes and it probably won't be that much different next episode as it looks like Goku and Vegeta are doing most of the work. It is a disgrace by Toei.

I don't know about next episode but Piccolo will get his time and when he goes out it'll be in style.

Went into this episode thinking that I wouldn't enjoy it but I ended up really liking it.

I thought this as well and am happy they proved me wrong. I thoguht Roshi would be useless but so far he's the best part of this arc.

[Nickolaidas]

You have to let go of comparing power levels like DBZ. Super is basically its own separate thing. It's never going to be the same.

This. THIS. THIS!!! A THOUSAND TIMES THIS!

It is obvious that Super's writers don't want to follow PLs to the letter. Roshi is weaker compared to the main cast but has many tricks and experience. So everytime Roshi fights on Super you immediately think that it's going to be a 'brains vs brawn' match, not a 'PL:137 vs PL:10 trillion'. It just doesn't work that way anymore.

The sooner folks accept this, the more enjoyable Super will become to them.

[namekiansaiyan]

Tien and Piccolo are my 2 favourite characters and they havre been given shit in the first 9 episodes and it probably won't be that much different next episode as it looks like Goku and Vegeta are doing most of the work. It is a disgrace by Toei.

I don't know about next episode but Piccolo will get his time and when he goes out it'll be in style.

He is not some nobody who is going to only have a few average fights and then go out. Piccolo not doing much now just makes it seem like he will be there for the major fights. Also, many of you putting 17 and 18 as more important then Piccolo is just ridiculous

Last four fighters will be Goku, Gohan, Piccolo and Frieza. Vegeta will beat Cabba before rushing to Jiren and loses.