Which Goku Is A more likable Character: Funimation Goku Or Original Japanese Goku:

[90sDBZ]

He kills Yakon due to it being the only option at the time. And again Black is just one man out of hundreds.

It doesn't matter if it's just one man. Point is that he shows mercy. Goku was so overwhelmingly stronger than Yakon I don't believe he needed to kill him to stop him. He killed him because it was expedient. And I haven't forgotten anything.

Toriyama doesn't need to spell it out because it's already incredibly obvious from Goku's changed actions. Not everything needs to be 100% on the nose. At this point you're just grasping at straws for a reason to say dub Goku is inconsistent.

And yet he does it for EVERY OTHER CHARACTER except his main character? If it's true, that's a HUGE change. This isn't about being on the nose, it's about giving his growth focus. As it is, it's not made a big deal about. There's no deal made about it. It's not incredibly obvious.

Tenshinhan was NOT out of danger. Piccolo and Drum are right there. He doesn't stop being in danger just because Goku got him off his back for a second. Also, Goku needs to keep Drum out of the way while he fights Piccolo Daimao. He can't afford the distraction. In the end, Piccolo ends up being the one to use Tenshinhan as distraction. Killing Drum was the best option. Drum is a demon. He's pure unrepentant evil. And just because Goku has cause to kill someone doesn't mean he will, just that he has cause to, and in this case he did. In all the cases you mentioned, yes, they had it coming, but Goku either wanted to fight them later or they were no longer a threat. In Raditz' case, he asked for mercy and Goku is naïve. Doesn't change that killing them would've been justified.

I'm not grasping at straws. You just don't want to admit that dub Goku's methods are inconsistent with his goals. If he's out to save the world, he picks the worst possible methods and his code of honor is at odds with that supposed goal. Of course the goal is nonsense. It's created by dub writers who don't understand the story of the characters.

*sigh* We really aren't getting anywhere at this point. If you honestly can't see the difference between sparing one enemy out of hundreds and then going on to offer mercy to several consecutive major enemies then I think we're done here. You really only have to look at the numbers to see the difference. And the "he was facing a whole army" excuse doesn't fly because Gohan faced similar numbers in Resurrection F but didn't kill anybody.

I'll just say that Toriyama likely didn't hit us over the head with the fact that Goku changed over time because it's not as big a change as going from villain to good guy like with Tien, Piccolo, Vegeta, and Buu. Whether or not Goku kills is notable but not the main focus of his character in any version. That would be his desire to better himself.

[ABED]

Yes, they are MAJOR enemies. He usually gives his major enemies a chance because he wants another fight. I think Freeza's the biggest exception because he grew bored during their battle, also he's also to my recollection the only one that genuinely asked for mercy. Piccolo Daimao is also different because he was not in control of their fight and Daimao wouldn't ask for mercy anyway. I get the difference but the only thing that changes is the circumstances, NOT Goku as a character.

And the "he was facing a whole army" excuse doesn't fly because Gohan faced similar numbers in Resurrection F but didn't kill anybody.

We aren't arguing Gohan. And it wasn't a matter of excuse, Goku didn't face a whole army after the RRA, so of course the numbers will skew that direction.

I'll just say that Toriyama likely didn't hit us over the head with the fact that Goku changed over time because it's not as big a change as going from villain to good guy like with Tien, Piccolo, Vegeta, and Buu. Whether or not Goku kills is notable but not the main focus of his character in any version. That would be his desire to better himself.

It's a significant change from showing no mercy to showing mercy. It doesn't matter if it's not as big, that's still something that should be given focus. It's the main character. And lastly, it makes ZERO sense that he would growth of that kind but still keep Goku making reckless decisions like letting Vegeta go or letting Dr. Gero create the cyborgs all for the sake of a fight or putting more importance on winning the tournament than saving the world from Piccolo. It's also at odds with what Toriyama has explicitly said about Goku not being a hero. And therein lies the source of the problem with FUNi Goku. His actions are at odds with his stated goals. Let's save the world... by not doing anything proactive for three years! Let's save the world... by letting an enemy we barely defeated get away when we have him dead to rights b/c that will show him we are made of better stuff! Lets save the world... by crushing the item that would give us the power to defeat an enemy we don't have the power to defeat on our own. FUNi Goku might be consistently written that way, but his actions aren't consistent with the greater good like we are lead to believe. Actions speak louder than words, so FUNi Goku isn't all that likable either.

[Brodes]

He doesn't actually train with Kami. He trained with Mr. Popo, but I'm splitting hairs...

Yes he does train with Kami. Check out volume 14 of the manga.if you need proof. It'd mentioned both before and after the time skip for the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

I believe it's specifically stated that the reason Kami doesn't have much faith in Goku's ability to win is because he didn't oversee much of his training.

The majority of his training was handled by Popo, so he doesn't know Goku's true strength (vol.. 15, p. 168), but he feels Goku can't kill Piccolo because he will hold back as he knows the true relationship between the two (vol. 15, p.167}, not because he doesn't think Goku is strong. He certainly trained Goku enough to teach him some Demon techniques at the least, as Piccolo points out.

[ABED]

I'll have to reread that portion, but I don't know even from what you said we can infer Kami taught him those techniques. Mr. Popo learned from Kami.

[Brodes]

I'll have to reread that portion, but I don't know even from what you said we can infer Kami taught him those techniques. Mr. Popo learned from Kami.

I have never seen Popo even hinted at using those specific "open your hand and an invisible blast hits your opponent like telekinesis" techniques (which I'm sure has a proper name. I'm rusty, here). He always seemed pretty hand-to-hand. Admittedly, we don't have see Popo fight much.

[AnzuMazaki]

I find Japanese Goku quite likeable.
He is charming how he wants to get stronger and fight strong guys, and even if he spends time training away from his family and friends, he still cares for them a lot.

I find the original JP version more entertaining then the Generic Superman Goku from the 1999 FUNimation dub.
It makes Goku shine a lot more as his own character.

[PsionicWarrior]

I find Japanese Goku quite likeable.
He is charming how he wants to get stronger and fight strong guys, and even if he spends time training away from his family and friends, he still cares for them a lot.

I find the original JP version more entertaining then the Generic Superman Goku from the 1999 FUNimation dub.
It makes Goku shine a lot more as his own character.

for sure the original is the original so exactly who he is so anything else among trying to "adapt to appeal specific audience" is bollocks IMHO lol