Again though, the point wasn't that they don't do inserts at all anymore, just that they do them a lot less than they used to. Since you brought up Precure, I see on ANN that there are four insert songs listed for the first series, and one for last year's series. So sure, both have insert songs in them, but... literally one VS four.Cure Dragon 255 wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 10:20 pm I have heard it on Precure of all things. If that is not an indication that modern anime DOES do insert songs still nothing is. I wouldnt be agonizing for the posibility they might NOT have them, just chilling and if they appear cool and if they dont oh well.
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I received word from a very credible source that Daima is being delayed to 2025. Can anyone else confirm if they've heard something regarding this?
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Okay, does anyone else feel like a whole different voice cast will be used for Daima? I'm sorry, but the fact that they STILL haven't shown off any voice acting yet...
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No, an October 6th release date is set in stone, it will premier at the Tokyo Big Sight convention for invited attendees. The Fuji TV debut will probably be a week later.DBZ Macky wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 10:43 am I received word from a very credible source that Daima is being delayed to 2025. Can anyone else confirm if they've heard something regarding this?
No, it won't. Masako Nozawa will be at the premier, what would be the point in that if herself or anyone else was being recast?dragonballhero wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:11 am Okay, does anyone else feel like a whole different voice cast will be used for Daima? I'm sorry, but the fact that they STILL haven't shown off any voice acting yet...
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No. They haven't used an all new voice cast before why would they start now?dragonballhero wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:11 am Okay, does anyone else feel like a whole different voice cast will be used for Daima? I'm sorry, but the fact that they STILL haven't shown off any voice acting yet...
If anything something like a brand new voice cast would probably get out just for the media attention.
It seems they just want to draw attention to the animation, maybe they think voices will distract from that? This whole series seems way more cognizant of Dragon Ball's international success (it was announced at a New York Comiccon after all) so they might want a "universal experience" with these trailers, since not everyone is going to watch the Japanese audio when Daima comes out.
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DBZ Macky wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 10:43 am I received word from a very credible source that Daima is being delayed to 2025. Can anyone else confirm if they've heard something regarding this?
This youtube uploader, someone very trustworthy, is saying Daima is getting a pre release the 6th of October at an event so I doubt that's true. Also, how can a "very credible source" not be credited?
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More like an incredible source. A premiere was announced for October 6th!DBZ Macky wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 10:43 am I received word from a very credible source that Daima is being delayed to 2025. Can anyone else confirm if they've heard something regarding this?
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I think the animation will be nothing short of amazing, the only thing I see going wrong is that Toei will listen to foreign fans that are used to animation being "On Model" and avoid any actual quality stylistic animation.
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If Daima has a manga version they should have Naho Ooishi do it. She's used to draw chibi characters with Dragon Ball SD.
It would be cool to have her involvement in a main project
It would be cool to have her involvement in a main project
It would be a good opportunity to do it since the main cast will become kids, but doesn't seem it will happen.dragonballhero wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:11 am Okay, does anyone else feel like a whole different voice cast will be used for Daima? I'm sorry, but the fact that they STILL haven't shown off any voice acting yet...
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I keep seeing this argument and why? The Japanese cast has always used the same cast for when a character is a kid or an adult. There's no good reason for a recast just because they're kids. Not when Masako Nozawa has voiced Goku as a kid and as an adult, Mayumi Tanaka has voiced Kuririn as a kid and an a adult, Ryo Horikawa has voiced Vegeta as an adult and as a kid (via flashbacks) etcFortuneSSJ wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:59 am
It would be a good opportunity to do it since the main cast will become kids, but doesn't seem it will happen.
It would make as much sense to recast in Daima as it would in Kai or Super (arguably it would have made more sense to do a recast for Kai) and they didn't do it there either.
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Eeeh, I mean, Naruto actually did this. Originally Sasuke, Kakashi, Obito and I think a few other characters were voiced by their teen/adult actors. Sugiyama Nori-aki originally voiced Sasuke as a child in the flashback scenes for NARUTO (2002) and early NARUTO Shippuuden, but by the time these scenes or this version of the character was shown again—in episodes airing in the mid-2010s and onward—he was being voiced by Tou-yama Nao. Similarly, Komori Sousuke originally voices Obito as a child in Shippuuden #120-121 and the video games, but beginning from Shippuuden #343-onward (19 December 2013) the voice was voiced by Han Megumi. Similarly, although Kakashi was voiced by Inoue Kazuhiko in Shippuuden #120-121future episodes that aired in the 2010s recast the child version of Kakashi with Tamura Mutsumi beginning as far back as the the fourth movie in 2010.MasenkoHA wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 12:51 pmI keep seeing this argument and why? The Japanese cast has always used the same cast for when a character is a kid or an adult. There's no good reason for a recast just because they're kids. Not when Masako Nozawa has voiced Goku as a kid and as an adult, Mayumi Tanaka has voiced Kuririn as a kid and an a adult, Ryo Horikawa has voiced Vegeta as an adult and as a kid (via flashbacks) etcFortuneSSJ wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:59 am
It would be a good opportunity to do it since the main cast will become kids, but doesn't seem it will happen.
It would make as much sense to recast in Daima as it would in Kai or Super (arguably it would have made more sense to do a recast for Kai) and they didn't do it there either.
Basically, I don't think it's impossible for it to be felt like the actors have 'aged out' of being able to voice child versions of the characters.
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Indeed. But it'll all depend on the right situation pans out now.FortuneSSJ wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:59 am If Daima has a manga version they should have Naho Ooishi do it. She's used to draw chibi characters with Dragon Ball SD.
It would be cool to have her involvement in a main project
It would be a good opportunity to do it since the main cast will become kids, but doesn't seem it will happen.dragonballhero wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:11 am Okay, does anyone else feel like a whole different voice cast will be used for Daima? I'm sorry, but the fact that they STILL haven't shown off any voice acting yet...
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Cure Dragon 255 wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 3:07 pm I think the animation will be nothing short of amazing, the only thing I see going wrong is that Toei will listen to foreign fans that are used to animation being "On Model" and avoid any actual quality stylistic animation.
I am one of those fans lol. Super and it's 1st movie were off model way to much. I know Anime AJay (I think it was him. Sorry if I'm wrong) popularized that squash and stretch animation of some of Super's animators but it isn't pretty to look at. SSBlue Vegeta vs Hit, SSB Goku vs Hit (the 2nd fight) look awful and it's really just a mess of blurs moving really fast.
The Yamamoto style can animate proper body movements in a fight. (Like actual martial arts movement) So personally I'll take shiny Goku with actual (super) human movements over anything some of those Super animators were trying to do. In Daima's case, it isn't the Yamamoto style but it looks good. Son Goku and Shin look like themselves minus the chibi bodies and the movement is fun and fluid. (To me anyway)
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Yeah no, you are using the premise that "Well yeah, that sucky animation from Super really sucked." And not an actually good animation, it is pretty telling you use SSB Goku vs Hit and not say the REALLY good animation from later on, like the Megumi Ishitani or other outstanding episodes from the Tournament of Power.GTx10 wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:45 pmCure Dragon 255 wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 3:07 pm I think the animation will be nothing short of amazing, the only thing I see going wrong is that Toei will listen to foreign fans that are used to animation being "On Model" and avoid any actual quality stylistic animation.
I am one of those fans lol. Super and it's 1st movie were off model way to much. I know Anime AJay (I think it was him. Sorry if I'm wrong) popularized that squash and stretch animation of some of Super's animators but it isn't pretty to look at. SSBlue Vegeta vs Hit, SSB Goku vs Hit (the 2nd fight) look awful and it's really just a mess of blurs moving really fast.
The Yamamoto style can animate proper body movements in a fight. (Like actual martial arts movement) So personally I'll take shiny Goku with actual (super) human movements over anything some of those Super animators were trying to do. In Daima's case, it isn't the Yamamoto style but it looks good. Son Goku and Shin look like themselves minus the chibi bodies and the movement is fun and fluid. (To me anyway)
"The Yamamoto style can animate proper body movements in a fight"... Yeah, no.
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But it can. I seem to recall the animators of RoF going out of their way to make sure Piccolo's kick was on model and realistic to how somebody should kick. Dragon Ball has had many animators and despite being close to the models they produced good looking animation. Like Goku vs Mercenary Tao 2nd fight or SS Goku vs Cell (the warp Kamehameha episode)
Yamamoto did the og Broly right? That movie moves well and despite some errors (black haired LSS Broly) that looks like how DB should look. The two examples I gave in Super are ugly. Blue Vegeta lowers his guard, slumps over and looks hideous in his battle with Hit.
Daima looks on model and the animation looks good to me. I just want DB to look on model.
As for why Daima lacks any voice lines? Probably not much story I guess. The bad guys make the crew tiny and Shin wants to investigate and Goku is just there to screw around. Maybe?
Yamamoto did the og Broly right? That movie moves well and despite some errors (black haired LSS Broly) that looks like how DB should look. The two examples I gave in Super are ugly. Blue Vegeta lowers his guard, slumps over and looks hideous in his battle with Hit.
Daima looks on model and the animation looks good to me. I just want DB to look on model.
As for why Daima lacks any voice lines? Probably not much story I guess. The bad guys make the crew tiny and Shin wants to investigate and Goku is just there to screw around. Maybe?
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I think the lack of dialogue is to promote the show easier internationally.GTx10 wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:07 pm But it can. I seem to recall the animators of RoF going out of their way to make sure Piccolo's kick was on model and realistic to how somebody should kick. Dragon Ball has had many animators and despite being close to the models they produced good looking animation. Like Goku vs Mercenary Tao 2nd fight or SS Goku vs Cell (the warp Kamehameha episode)
Yamamoto did the og Broly right? That movie moves well and despite some errors (black haired LSS Broly) that looks like how DB should look. The two examples I gave in Super are ugly. Blue Vegeta lowers his guard, slumps over and looks hideous in his battle with Hit.
Daima looks on model and the animation looks good to me. I just want DB to look on model.
As for why Daima lacks any voice lines? Probably not much story I guess. The bad guys make the crew tiny and Shin wants to investigate and Goku is just there to screw around. Maybe?
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I mean, Yamamuro does. He's an actual, legitimate martial artist, as in trained in a temple Krillin style martial artist. Even Ajay and the like have cited the extreme attention to detail and realism of his action animation as one of the few bright spots of his otherwise shoddy directorial effort of Resurrection F.Cure Dragon 255 wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 8:33 pm
"The Yamamoto style can animate proper body movements in a fight"... Yeah, no.
Personally, I'm of the mind of preferring the more grounded traditional animation than the "OMG SAKUGA" stuff that mostly just aims to impress animation nerds and can be a chore to follow at times.
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To be fair, I do agree Broly is a bit too far but this is a TV anime so I think we will see a sweet spot here, that we will see some great animation that DOESNT try TOO hard.
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Oh, Ooishi would be PERFECT for a Daima manga adaptation!FortuneSSJ wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:59 am If Daima has a manga version they should have Naho Ooishi do it. She's used to draw chibi characters with Dragon Ball SD.
It would be cool to have her involvement in a main project

Heck, the more that I think about it... I honestly don't think Toyotaro's designs would fit Daima's aesthetic, if I'm being honest.
It would be a good opportunity to do it since the main cast will become kids, but doesn't seem it will happen.
MasenkoHA wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 12:51 pm I keep seeing this argument and why? The Japanese cast has always used the same cast for when a character is a kid or an adult. There's no good reason for a recast just because they're kids. Not when Masako Nozawa has voiced Goku as a kid and as an adult, Mayumi Tanaka has voiced Kuririn as a kid and an a adult, Ryo Horikawa has voiced Vegeta as an adult and as a kid (via flashbacks) etc
It would make as much sense to recast in Daima as it would in Kai or Super (arguably it would have made more sense to do a recast for Kai) and they didn't do it there either.
JulieYBM wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:18 pm Eeeh, I mean, Naruto actually did this. Originally Sasuke, Kakashi, Obito and I think a few other characters were voiced by their teen/adult actors. Sugiyama Nori-aki originally voiced Sasuke as a child in the flashback scenes for NARUTO (2002) and early NARUTO Shippuuden, but by the time these scenes or this version of the character was shown again—in episodes airing in the mid-2010s and onward—he was being voiced by Tou-yama Nao. Similarly, Komori Sousuke originally voices Obito as a child in Shippuuden #120-121 and the video games, but beginning from Shippuuden #343-onward (19 December 2013) the voice was voiced by Han Megumi. Similarly, although Kakashi was voiced by Inoue Kazuhiko in Shippuuden #120-121future episodes that aired in the 2010s recast the child version of Kakashi with Tamura Mutsumi beginning as far back as the the fourth movie in 2010.
Basically, I don't think it's impossible for it to be felt like the actors have 'aged out' of being able to voice child versions of the characters.
GTx10 wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:07 pm As for why Daima lacks any voice lines? Probably not much story I guess. The bad guys make the crew tiny and Shin wants to investigate and Goku is just there to screw around. Maybe?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not actively advocating for this or anything (I'd love for Nozawa in particular to stick around as Goku and her other characters for as long as she can voice them), I just found it a bit odd how Daima hasn't even revealed the voice cast yet.Cure Dragon 255 wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:21 pm I think the lack of dialogue is to promote the show easier internationally.
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they normally do something like that by now?