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Skar
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by Skar » Thu Jun 12, 2025 10:15 am
Jord wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 9:04 amIn theory you are right but in practice companies often interpret these things differently.
Let's say the next DB show has AI voice acting for Goku.
You respond by not buying the DVD-set/not streaming
The company may see this as other aspects of the show not clicking with the audience
You'd have to boycott and contact the company, such as with social media to make a statement. And you'd have to be a majority, with lots of people not buying it.
It would be interesting to see what would happen and how many people would care enough about it.
Yeah unfortunately boycotts vary in how effective they've been. I just mean it's the only option for an average person to make any difference even if only minor. Sharing news and spreading awareness is important but doesn't reallly matter in the end if enough people are still willingly giving their money to these companies.
An example is that I'm part Palestinian and boycott companies that support Israeli government and settlements. More and more people are boycotting worldwide and these companies have lost some money. The vast majority of people don't care to boycott. They're able to acknowledge what's happening there is tragic but it's not enough to overcome the convenience of buying from these corporations instead of spending a few minutes to find an alternative company to buy from.
Another example is the "support local" movement with some people only buying from local or smaller companies even if it costs more. Most average people agree that it's not good for major corporations to keep growing bigger, consumers having a fewer options, lobbying politicians, etc but not many would consider to stop contributing their money since local or smaller company might cost more or might not be available in all stores.
I think the difference with AI is that the alternative is more convenient than supporting the studio. Everyone has access to pirated content with just a few second search on Google. It's much easier than driving to the theater or paying for multiple streaming services. I feel the only reason to choose the less convenient option is if your goal is to support the people working on the content. I'm not advocating for anyone to pirate media but just pointing out that people are fine doing it despite being told it's wrong because it's so accessible and easy to find.
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by BootyCheeksJohnson » Fri Jun 13, 2025 10:10 am
JulieYBM wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:55 am
Not to wax poetic on main, but:
Lately, I've thought about how difficult it must be to be a parent. As someone who loves the arts, it would be a nightmare scenario to never be able to teach a child to love the arts and the rewarding feelings that come with appreciating and creating art.
This AI shit—and the cultish support for it in so many places—really does run in opposition to all that. I'd be ashamed of myself for raising someone who saw AI as some sort of acceptable experience and replacement for acting doing the creative work necessary to create a piece of art.
DC Douglas who voiced Wesker in R.E. for the longest run support's generative A.I. art, but not for voice acting. So even real "artists" are committing the "do as I say, not as I do" act. Rather unfortunate.
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by JulieYBM » Fri Jun 13, 2025 10:23 am
BootyCheeksJohnson wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 10:10 am
JulieYBM wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:55 am
Not to wax poetic on main, but:
Lately, I've thought about how difficult it must be to be a parent. As someone who loves the arts, it would be a nightmare scenario to never be able to teach a child to love the arts and the rewarding feelings that come with appreciating and creating art.
This AI shit—and the cultish support for it in so many places—really does run in opposition to all that. I'd be ashamed of myself for raising someone who saw AI as some sort of acceptable experience and replacement for acting doing the creative work necessary to create a piece of art.
DC Douglas who voiced Wesker in R.E. for the longest run support's generative A.I. art, but not for voice acting. So even real "artists" are committing the "do as I say, not as I do" act. Rather unfortunate.
Yeah, I'm not surprised. Grifters exist in minorities, too, so it's not surprising to me at all that they would exist among artists, too.
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by Hellspawn28 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:13 pm
It's sad how many people will defend AI for art and acting. If AI was used for any other work field, people would lose their shit about it. It shows that people don't care about art as a whole.
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by JulieYBM » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:17 pm
I once had a customer who looked like Christian Bale and when I mentioned it, he said, "I have a real job." That just about says it all when it comes to how we've devalued art in our society lol
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by MasenkoHA » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:50 pm
Hellspawn28 wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:13 pm
It's sad how many people will defend AI for art and acting. If AI was used for any other work field, people would lose their shit about it. It shows that people don't care about art as a whole.
Ethics aside. AI art is fucking hideous and the less we see of it the better. The amount of times I unfollowed people on social media because they kept sharing AI art that was an assault on my eyes is unreal.
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by JulieYBM » Fri Jun 13, 2025 5:04 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:50 pm
Hellspawn28 wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:13 pm
It's sad how many people will defend AI for art and acting. If AI was used for any other work field, people would lose their shit about it. It shows that people don't care about art as a whole.
Ethics aside. AI art is fucking hideous and the less we see of it the better. The amount of times I unfollowed people on social media because they kept sharing AI art that was an assault on my eyes is unreal.
Oh god, yeah. I am so glad my feed is curated on Twitter lol. Any time I see it I'm search results I block immediately.
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by goku the krump dancer » Mon Jun 16, 2025 11:19 am
I’m not as bothered by the AI anime art because my default instinct as someone with an artistic hand is to not take it super seriously at all Like I doubt there’s gonna come a point where companies are gonna use AI in its totality to do concept art and character designs for future video games and such. It is interesting how detailed even some of these AI videos can get just by using the right program and prompting it the right way though.
On Topic, the only way I could ever be even mildly comfortable with AI replacing a voice actor is if the person literally passed away during the final moments of recording and they had to us AI just to wrap up the last few minutes of dialogue or something, but it’d had to be really advanced tech otherwise it’d come off painfully obvious and maybe take away from the project. Otherwise just find a human replacement.
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by JulieYBM » Mon Jun 16, 2025 11:31 am
Companies have historically done everything they can to not pay labor. The push towards AI is specifically to both not pay artists and to remove the individual meaning from art. After all, an AI won't create art with a meaning thst undermines the company's bottomline, ala art with a leftist, pro-union message.
Capitalist and the wealthy are not our friends, they want to control and kill us. AI helps with that.
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by goku the krump dancer » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:00 pm
Eh Idk, it’s not that doom and gloom for me. The AI art doesn’t even look good enough to even consider replacing what a team of really talented people and the right budget can pull off. The Ghibli trend from a few months back was fun but nothing looked so convincing to the point where folks legit thought Studio Ghibli could be in serious trouble of being replaced.
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by Hellspawn28 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:10 pm
The AI Ghibli art is not even good if it was made by a person.
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by goku the krump dancer » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:03 pm
Hellspawn28 wrote: Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:10 pm
The AI Ghibli art is not even good if it was made by a person.
Yeah that’s kinda the point I was making, while I personally found the trend fun as a spectacle to see people recreate scenes from movies and tv shows in the style of a Ghibli project, none of the artwork in and of itself was good enough to consider replacing real artist.
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