Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:05 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:You should totally make a universe where Bardock defeated Freeza on his spirited rampage by becoming a super saiyan!
I am utterly forced to second and third this.

Then I'll fourth and fifth.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:14 pm

bkev wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:You should totally make a universe where Bardock defeated Freeza on his spirited rampage by becoming a super saiyan!
I am utterly forced to second and third this.
Then I'll fourth and fifth.

I've just always thought it would be cool to see the lesser Saiyan characters transform into Super Saiyans. I have this dream that someday the creators of a DBZ video games are going to mail me a letter "Yo, we gonna make you a special edition game where all Saiya-jin can transform SSJ, ya dig?" but now I'm rambling... Anyways, I just thought Bardock would always be the most badass Super Saiyan.

Seriously though, if Goku transformed just by seeing Freeza blow up Kuririn why couldn't Bardock after he goes to Meat only to find that his entire crew had been betrayed and slaughtered. I don't care for the whole "You have to be at X power level before transforming" argument either, so to me this is feasible.

Freeza Heika · Post by **Freeza Heika** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:31 am

bkev wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:You should totally make a universe where Bardock defeated Freeza on his spirited rampage by becoming a super saiyan!
I am utterly forced to second and third this.
Then I'll fourth and fifth.

I sixth, seventh and eighth it! Bardock needs another badass moment be it only in a fan manga or not.

Salagir2 · Post by **Salagir2** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:57 am

Many fans of Baddack here I see !

I guess SSJ Baddack could happen, even if I think that if Baddack could be SSJ, then Vegeta would have been SSJ too, way before he met Goku.

I won't go on the "not enough power level" route even if.. I think it's indeed important

I'll see if it seems good enough to me to show that.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:00 am

If "getting pissed of because of someone's death" was the only requirement for becoming a Super Saiyan, then Piccolo Daimao would have been in trouble.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 3:50 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:If "getting pissed of because of someone's death" was the only requirement for becoming a Super Saiyan, then Piccolo Daimao would have been in trouble.

Way to kill the buzz..

Although I do think Bardock's situation was a bit of an extra-ordinary one. Your entire crew was just ambushed and slaughtered. The galactic tyrant who you've been tirelessly working for is about to cause an all-out Saiyan genecide and you've been granted foresight so you know it's going to happen. You try to tell your friends, but nobody believes you and they all dismiss it like it's nothing. You go to face the tyrant all by yourself among hundreds of his henchman and make it all the way to him where you confront him. I'd say that's at least 3 situations where he could have transformed.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:13 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:If "getting pissed of because of someone's death" was the only requirement for becoming a Super Saiyan, then Piccolo Daimao would have been in trouble.

Piccolo nothing, Tao would have been in serious trouble.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:15 pm

Xyex wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:If "getting pissed of because of someone's death" was the only requirement for becoming a Super Saiyan, then Piccolo Daimao would have been in trouble.
Piccolo nothing, Tao would have been in serious trouble.

You guys come on! Children can't become Super Saiyans, oh wait, scratch that last thing I just said.

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 6:46 pm

The reason Bardock couldn't become a Super Saiyan was first and foremost because he was not calm-hearted like Goku. The calmness is given in the manga as a requirement - I myself see the trigger as an intense feeling that goes right against a person's nature.
Goku's anger at Freeza goes against his calm nature, Vegeta's self-hatred goes against his pride and Gohan's sense of guilt (of not being able to help his friends) goes against his ... hmm well OK in his case this doesn't work as well

I'll chalk that one up to the fact that he's half-Saiyan

Not to say that I wouldn't want to see an SSj Bardock!!

Personally, I'd give Bardock a different kind of trigger than the death of his team / imminent destruction of his planet.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 6:52 pm

Bardock always come across as really level headed to me, of course with a few exceptions ( Goku gets mad sometimes too ), but maybe that was just in the dub version. Honestly, I think the series has gotten way past the point of using rules and guidelines when it comes to Super Saiyan transformations. Look at Goten and Trunks, they both just became Super Saiyans at random, so with that in mind the Bardock transformation becomes a lot more believable.

-edit- feel free to call me an idiot for this, but I think SSJ Tullece would be cool too.

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:59 pm

Well, a common explanation given for Trunks and Goten's transformations is that they were born after their parents transformed. I like this explanation, except maybe that it sounds a little bad to have an entire race of Super Saiyans after enough generations. It'd degrade the SSj to the base Saiyan state... scary thought

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:30 pm

Gohan's sense of guilt (of not being able to help his friends) goes against his ... hmm well OK in his case this doesn't work as well

It had nothing to do with guilt. Gohan's trigger was the desire to protect his friends as well as anger. His visualizations of what could happen were enough to get him mad enough to trigger the change.

With the SSJ2 transformation I'm of the opinion there is no actual 'trigger' like with the first one. SSJ2 and SSJ3 seem to me to be more of a power threshold thing. When you go beyond a certain level while in the previous form it triggers the next form. With Gohan this is seen in his fight with Cell where his anger has the normal effect of boosting his power, pushing it to his maximum and then trying to push beyond that, thus pushing him passed that threshold and triggering the transformation.

This also explains why Gotenks hit SSJ2 and SSJ3 so easily. Gotenks was already at the threshold levels for the forms, he just had to power-up to the point of triggering them, something he must have done while in the RoSaT.

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:22 pm

Whoa, I can't bring myself to hate this fan comic like I do with so many others. It's one blatant fan service and yet I am still in awe. What was wrong with me?! Why can't I stick my nose in the air like the great troll that I am and dismiss this as pure rubbish. I feel...at lost.

Okay enough of that, I like DB-M.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:25 pm

Two new pages tomorrow!!!

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:29 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:If "getting pissed of because of someone's death" was the only requirement for becoming a Super Saiyan, then Piccolo Daimao would have been in trouble.
Way to kill the buzz.. Although I do think Bardock's situation was a bit of an extra-ordinary one. Your entire crew was just ambushed and slaughtered. The galactic tyrant who you've been tirelessly working for is about to cause an all-out Saiyan genecide and you've been granted foresight so you know it's going to happen. You try to tell your friends, but nobody believes you and they all dismiss it like it's nothing. You go to face the tyrant all by yourself among hundreds of his henchman and make it all the way to him where you confront him. I'd say that's at least 3 situations where he could have transformed.

It would have been nice to see Freeza spot Goku's spacepod and kill him. That could have triggered a transformation.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:38 pm

That would be cool!
Freeza wouldn't even know Goku if they were to fight.

I hope we see Goku and Bardock fight!

Gohan does mention if Goku should meet his father, maybe a for shadowing. But probably a throw away comment. Hopefully not!!!
Hopefully we also get to see a dimension where Future Gohan survived or beat the androids!

These would defiantly be my Fan-boy wishes!

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:34 pm

Raki wrote:It would have been nice to see Freeza spot Goku's spacepod and kill him. That could have triggered a transformation.

Dude, that is the greatest explanation ever! Seriously, that makes the most sense because Goku knew about all the horrible things Freeza did and he still wasn't quite angry enough, but once you blow up Kuririn the shit hits the fan. The same principle can be used for Bardock witnessing Freeza kill lil' Kakarot, it's the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak.

Thanks for knocking those guideline following elitist snobs off their high-horse. Hmph, take that!

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:13 am

I like the idea, but I don't know if that principle applies to Bardock. Sure Goku is Bardock's son, but they don't have an physical affection and only barely have a emotional connection to each other. I think it is more of mental connection, because of that last Kannassen, gave Bardock psychic powers.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:08 am

Forgotten Hero wrote:I like the idea, but I don't know if that principle applies to Bardock. Sure Goku is Bardock's son, but they don't have an physical affection and only barely have a emotional connection to each other. I think it is more of mental connection, because of that last Kannassen, gave Bardock psychic powers.

Can you remind me what the last words coming out of Bardock's mouth were before he died? I think you'll find that there's connection enough, especially after the visions/conversation with Goku in his mind.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:22 am

SSJ2bardock wrote:
Forgotten Hero wrote:I like the idea, but I don't know if that principle applies to Bardock. Sure Goku is Bardock's son, but they don't have an physical affection and only barely have a emotional connection to each other. I think it is more of mental connection, because of that last Kannassen, gave Bardock psychic powers.
Can you remind me what the last words coming out of Bardock's mouth were before he died? I think you'll find that there's connection enough, especially after the visions/conversation with Goku in his mind.

I can see what you are saying but I just disagree with. I know what Bardock said: "...for Kakarotto's fate..."
It doesn't mean anything, it is only psychic future/fortune viewing. Bardock is like half dead after being blasted by Dodoria, he can barely walk around. He falls quite a bit, falls asleep, and starts having visions. He doesn't connect with Goku one bit. He disowns Goku after that power reading of 1, "I though you were special..." something to that extent.
Visions with Goku mean nothing because Bardock has zero involvement in them. He has no connection. The only thing I see is Bardock having the last laugh: His son, Kakarotto, defeating the Tyrant Freeza.

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