Oh snap, PERFECT place to put my little post. Okay, my opinion shall rain down upon you like...like...I don't know. Here it is though...
Tenshinhan vs. Kuririn
Hi. I've been debating these topics for a LONG time in my online DB career, and I've put together many ideas, and evidence, what have you. If you'd like to add something, comment, or debate an idea, please go ahead. I'm not biased as both Tenshinhan and Kuririn are in my top 3 favorite fighters. Although, I must admit, Tenshinhan is my favorite while Kuririn is #3. Piccolo is my second favorite by the way. Anyhow, my debate is this - Tenshinhan might not be considered a human, and is infact stronger than Kuririn. The whole ancestory thing has to do with Yamcha saying Kuririn is the strongest human fighter. I really didn't have to debate that part seeing as how Yamcha hasn't seen or sensed Tenshinhan's power in
seven years, but it helps.
Tenshinhan's Ancestory
We have a scan from the Daizenshuu stating that Tenshinhan has ancestory from different race, and it obviously shows. No human has been shown to have 3 eyes, no human has been shown to grow an extra set of arms and no human has been shown to have the ability to make living, breathing clones. There's no other being we know of that could do that, not even Piccolo. Only Tenshinhan has those special abilities. Also take note of Roshi's reaction to Ten growing those arms. You can tell that in all his years he's never seen anything like it before, he was shocked, confused and seemed horrified. Tenshinhan is either a hybrid of his ancient ancestors and the human race, or he is of pure decent from his ancestory. We don't know, but we DO know that he is
not a pure human. Saying otherwise would be contradiction by the Daizenshuu.
Here's the scan of ancestory for reference. Yeah, yeah it's the French version, but you can easily determine what it says. Also, in the game 'Dragon Ball Z Tenkaichi Budokai' there is a wealth of
very accurate information in bios of all the characters. Tenshinhan's states the following -
"
As a decendant of aliens, his body possesses unique characteristics which he demonstrates often in the Dragon Ball series, such as the ability to split himself into four seperate fighters or sprout extra arms from his shoulders- unthinkable behavior as far as normal Earthlings are concerned."
Tenshinhan's Heavenly Training
This scan shows that all the fighters want training tougher than what Goku received.
This scan shows that even at a much higher power levels, the gravity still affects them.
This scan is about Tenshinhan's and Piccolo's extreme will to train. Tenshinhan also has a little speech to himself about how he will train. He's very serious about this training and he's training to defeat Goku once again. Thus meaning he would train his hardest in better training conditions than what Goku received. They are all stronger, so of course North Kaio would give them stronger training conditions.
This scan shows the results of Piccolo's training, even thought he trained for a short amount of time. Read Nail's dialogue. In only a few days Piccolo's power increased in a very noticeable fashion. Piccolo knows he's much stronger and Nail greatly compliments his power. Regular Namekian warriors are around the 3,000 power level marking. Notice Nail's quote: "You have an astonishing amount of power." So common sense deems that Piccolo is going to be much more than 3,000. This shows that North Kaio is indeed training them harder. Their training doesn't have to be shown for us to know that it's happening, we know that North Kaio is training them harder than Goku just by that scan. North Kaio wouldn't have announced that they wanted to train harder and then just not let it happen. Especially with Piccolo and Tenshinhan around. Tenshinhan stayed longer than what Goku did, he always had sparring partners which in every case is good, he was trained harder by North Kaio, and he has an extreme will to train his hardest and do his best because he's training to defeat
Goku. Now Goku trained with Kami and Popo for
three years. Tenshinhan trained with them for less than 6 months, yet he recieved a MUCH bigger boost in power. As the enemies kept getting stronger, Akira had to make the heroes get stronger. Tenshinhan would have recieved a huge boost in power from his training with North Kaio as other allies and enemies were getting stronger by every chapter.
Tenshinhan's Android Training
He returned to the mountains to train with Chaozu while Kuririn trained by
himself at Kame House. So let's compare some things. Tenshinhan's persona about training is much more serious than Kuririn's, that's just a fact. Like stated before, Tenshinhan trained with a partner for three years while Kuririn trained by himself. Being in the mountains, there's no distractions from training. I'm sure Tenshinhan would have trained, ate, slept, woke up and trained again. There's
no way that Chaozu could spar with Tenshinhan right? Wrong. Gohan sparred with Piccolo and
SSj Goku during the three years of training. There's many ways that he could have helped Tenshinhan with his psychic abilities anyhow. All the fighters besides Vegeta were training regularly on Earth during this saga. Now why would they train like that if regular Earthly training didn't affect them? Surely if the 10x gravity on Kaio's planet barely affected Tenshinhan anymore, then regular Earth training wouldn't have any affect at all. That’s to counter people saying that Tenshinhan couldn’t have received much good from his training with North Kaio because he was too strong for the gravity. Yet we see the results of their training. Gohan turned SSj pretty quickly in the ROSAT, thus meaning his base power should have improved very significantly from his Earthly training with Piccolo and Goku. Piccolo could take on Gero by himself, surprising nearly everyone, SSj Goku was strong as hell, and Tenshinhan held down Cell with his ki.
Here's the only scan of Tenshinhan during that training.
The Android Threat
The fact of the matter here is that Goku picked both Tenshinhan and Piccolo over Kuririn to help him with the androids. Yamcha is nearly dead and the two androids the group trained so hard for are right in front of them. They trained their asses off because of these two threats, so wouldn't it be common sense for Goku to pick the two strongest to stay with him just in case? Especially after hearing how strong they are from Trunks, and the fact that Goku couldn't sense how strong they actually were? Of course. Not only was Tenshinhan closer to Yamcha, but he was standing
right next to Goku. So why is Goku going to turn and yell over at Kuririn to take Yamcha back?
This scan shows it. Proof of Tenshinhan's strength can be seen with his shin-kikoho. That's the power of his chi raining down on Cell. Also, I'd like to show you these two scans for multiple reasons. First the scans:
here and
here. First off, look at their stances in the first scan. They were all ready to fight the androids. This supports my assumption that Goku would have picked the two strongest fighters to stay, I mean...Isn't it common sense? Even if Goku didn't want them to fight, he'd want the strongest backup. Goku couldn't have known if the androids were going to attack them right there or not, thus why he picked the strongest to stay behind. The second scan shows Tenshinhan's new strength. Not only did he see Gero's attack coming at him, but he also dodged it with Goku. I'm not saying he was around base Goku's strength, but he has to be pretty strong to do those things. Now…Trunks, Tenshinhan and Kuririn arrive where Piccolo is after his skirmish with Imperfect Cell. A plan is made, one pair goes after Cell, while the other pair find Gero's lab with pupil Cell and destroys that. Trunks leads the team that will search for the lab because he knows where it is, and knows what's going on in this situation, and it's his sole duty to stop the threat of Cell in this timeline. Piccolo leads the team that will try to find Imperfect Cell. Piccolo has to pick between Tenshinhan and Kuririn. He'd pick the better, stronger choice to help him track down Cell, right? Of course he would. Cell is extremely strong and dangerous. Again, that seems like common sense to me. Well, anyways...Do you remember who Piccolo picked? Check it out
right here. Oh yeah, now look at
this scan. It seems that Tenshinhan wants to help pretty badly, doesn't it? The reason he didn't go into the ROSAT near the end of the android saga saga was because only the Saiyans had a chance against
Perfect Cell. He STILL wouldn't have been able to help in any way even if he went in the ROSAT, thus why he didn't. He knew that the Saiyans were the only chance, and he knew that he would die anyways if they failed. Once again, the Saiyans were the only chance for this last battle. The lives of everyone hung on their shoulders. If they failed, then everyone would parish. There was no need for him to train for this final battle with Cell. That however does not mean he quit training for the rest of his life. That is an absurd thought and there is no proof to back up that statement.
Tenshinhan's During Those 7 Years After Cell
Krillin and Yamcha are both known to have settled down completely after Cell's death. Krillin because of his family to be, and Yamcha because he just didn't like fighting anymore. Krillin and Yamcha both hung up there martial arts training gis as shown, but Tenshinhan didn't. As for his training regimes not being shown, why would they? He told the others he wouldn't even see them again, so why would Akira show
anything about him? Then again, they never really showed his training methods to begin with. Let's focus on the main training first. Did they show his training with Master Shen? Nope. Master Roshi? Nope. Kami and Popo? One scan. North Kaio? Nope. Okay, now what about his other training sessions? How about the timeline from DB-DBZ? Nope. How about that intense 3 years of training? Besides that manga
cover I already shown, nope. It never shows him training in the manga like the others IE Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan, Goku...because he is a minor supporting character. It's the same with Yamcha and Kuririn. Now, for some proof. Tenshinhan is shown in rocky area with his shirt off, in his martial arts clothing and is sweating. From my perspective it's obvious that he was training. The only other option would be that Tenshinhan sensed the energy attacks coming towards him, quickly threw off his cape and martial-arts robe for some reason and dodged the little, weak ki attacks meant for humans and sweated while dodging
one of Buu's ki beams. One ki beam was meant for Chiaotzu and the other one was for Tenshinhan.
Here’s the scan for reference.
Miscellaneous
1. Tenshinhan vs. Kuririn
If Kuririn was stronger, Tenshinhan would have had a little comment about it. He was training to surpass Goku afterall. When the androids appear he complains that he doesn't like how strong Piccolo and Vegeta have become. Well, wouldn't he say something about the little monk? Tenshinhan has always been stronger than Kuririn. Then one day Kuririn somehow surpasses him and Ten doesn't say anything about it...? The thing is, he didn't say anything even close to hinting it, and Tenshinhan probably has the second most pride next to Vegeta. This is not exactly evidence, but more of a personality trait, and something I'm pretty sure would have happened
if Kuririn was indeed stronger, which I think I proved he wasn't.
2. How strong and excellent of a fighter is Tenshinhan?
Tenshinhan should be use to comments about his strength and technique, as almost every fighter who fights him or at least witnesses him fight gives him at least one good comment. Even the strongest villian in the Dragon Ball manga seems to be impressed about his skill as seen
here. As you can see, Boo says Tenshinhan is a "legendary fighter". Boo's knowledge of Tenshinhan should be derived from Piccolo as well, thus making this statement that much better. Kuririn gets get comments as well of course, but as the series progresses, no one even really comments about him anymore.
EDIT
If you want to take DBGT into account, then it once again points to Tenshinhan being stronger. Not only is Tenshinhan still in peak condition, but it looks like he hasn't aged AT ALL. Plus it helps that it looks like he was training when pans to him in GT.
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