Corniest Dub Lines

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:48 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Gozar wrote:But back on the subject of airing DBZ on Toonami...I'm not so sure Toonami would have been as willing to air it without the Saturday Morning Cartoon-esque things. Though I have no desire to continue this debate because there's no way I could prove it either way...Only the head of Toonami knows. I find it fruitless to continue going back and forth with "Yes they would" "No they wouldn't" with no real basis.
Err, but the rest of their lineup at the time is plenty of proof, or so I believe, but whatever.

-Corey

Really? What was airing at the time because I didn't watch Toonami back then.

But I will say, in the end you guys are most likely right. DB would have been fine on it's own and there probably wouldn't even be a difference in the Fandom right now in America.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:50 pm

Super Sonic wrote:Also Voltron was more successful in the States than Go-Lion was in Japan. So they must've done something right.

Look at it this way with DragonBall though: 12 years since the anime premiered, 14 since the manga was first printed in Jump. Still enough demand to drive DVD releases, Kanzenban editions of the manga, video games, CD releases...and why? Because it has a timeless quality.

DragonBall in the U.S., in my opinion, won't have that kind of longevity, and it's due massively to the handling of the show.

-Corey

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:58 pm

Super Sonic wrote:Also sometimes just because you go back and make things more accurate, may not always mean big things economically. For example, let's say that they redid Voltron and made it more accurate to Go-Lion. Wouldn't be so great because people who buy Voltron dvds do so for nostalgia, and wouldn't want to see it changed from what they saw 20 years ago.

But like I said though in my pot about Speed Racer and Voltron they are adaptions not intended to be anything like Mach Go! Go! Go! and Go-Lion. There's no reason to change go back and do such a thing.

Super Sonic wrote:Also Voltron was more successful in the States than Go-Lion was in Japan. So they must've done something right.

You have to also look at the climate of Super Robot type series in late 70's early 80's Japan and 1980s America where in Japan there were literally zillions of Super Robot series going on at the same time. And how many were going on in America? Zero. Go-Lion just got swept up under the competition in Japan nothing more. Go-Lion isn't a bad series because Voltron did better it's just that there never were Super Robot type series on American TV ever except the adaption of Tetsujin #28, Gigantor. So maybe if they did dub Go-Lion without making it Voltron it probably would have done just as well because of that factor. Could I tell you that for sure? No but I know that knowing differences between America and Japan at the time shows that Go-Lion would more than likely be successful even if it did not become Voltron.

Also we're forgetting that Dairugger XV is also part of Voltron further proving my point that Voltron has nothing to do with either of them unlike Funi's Dragon Ball dubs which say that they are dubs the original Dragon Ball.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:04 pm

Gozar wrote: Really? What was airing at the time because I didn't watch Toonami back then.

I believe they had Batman and Superman (the former of which was so popular that it actually receives praise in Japan), Gundam came not too long after Season 3 premiered, Reboot, Ronin Warriors, a Tenchi series or two and I think it steadily snowballed. They went into Big O, Outlaw Star, etc.

Seriously, aside from the DiC Sailor Moon re-runs, I think DragonBall Z was the single-worst depiction of anime being shown on CN.

-Corey

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:08 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Raki wrote:Like in 2000, didn't DBZ premier in 98 or 99 on CN?
It came on when I was a sophomore in high school, so '99-'00. Besides, Cartoon Network was showing things like Batman: TAS and so forth that were decidedly darker in tone than DBZ.

Cartoon Network would have shown DragonBall Z, corny jokes or no. And people would have watched it, corny jokes or no. It rests fully on FUNimation as to why the show was handled as it was.

-Corey

I used to think (along with Chris Psaros and many others) that Season 3 would mark the end of DBZ in the states and there would be no Season 4.

Yet, we were proven very wrong as DBZ's popularity soared through the roof because of Season 3... with the bad Piccolo and Freeza lines.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:09 pm

But Batman and Superman are Super Hero Cartoons. What does that have to do with accurately representing DBZ?

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:11 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:Seriously, aside from the DiC Sailor Moon re-runs, I think DragonBall Z was the single-worst depiction of anime being shown on CN.

No, Sailor Moon was worse but Cardcaptors was even worse than that. Dragon Ball Z looked like badly explained Ronin Warriors in comparison to those series.

Gozar wrote:But Batman and Superman are Super Hero Cartoons. What does that have to do with accurately representing DBZ?

Well I can say that Batman and Superman have complicated scripts without one-liners, great music, and more often than not good voices unlike Funi's Dragon Ball Z.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:15 pm

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:18 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Gozar wrote: Really? What was airing at the time because I didn't watch Toonami back then.
I believe they had Batman and Superman (the former of which was so popular that it actually receives praise in Japan), Gundam came not too long after Season 3 premiered, Reboot, Ronin Warriors, a Tenchi series or two and I think it steadily snowballed. They went into Big O, Outlaw Star, etc.

Seriously, aside from the DiC Sailor Moon re-runs, I think DragonBall Z was the single-worst depiction of anime being shown on CN.

-Corey

Some would say Hamtaro and SD Gundam were that. Though for different reasons than not liking dubbing, heh heh heh.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:19 pm

Super Sonic wrote:Some would say Hamtaro and SD Gundam were that. Though for different reasons than not liking dubbing, heh heh heh.

Hey, Hamtaro is hardcore.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:29 pm

Also, those last 17-18 eps of Sailor Moon R Vekurotto were the best dubbed eps IMO (didn't watch Super S). Power of Love rocked so much and the 4 Ayakashi sisters sounded much better in the ep of Sapphire's death.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:29 pm

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:31 pm

What's Windaria?

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:31 pm

Gozar wrote:But Batman and Superman are Super Hero Cartoons. What does that have to do with accurately representing DBZ?

I was referring to the tone of the two series. Batman fights crime as a vigilante, facing such demented characters as the Joker, who at one point even kidnaps Robin and brainwashes/tortures him into being a twisted "successor" to the Joker's name. Then you have Superman, who is more wholesome, but at one point faces Darkseid and is told that he can never win because (on his home world) "I am many things, here I am God." All broadcast and all successful. And yes, they let Darkseid say he was God on CN.

Point being, same programming block, successful and even admired in some cases by Japanese (Mad Pierrot from Cowboy Bebop is actually a love letter of sorts to Batman: TAS). There's no excuse for FUNimation's changes.

-Corey

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:40 pm

Super Sonic wrote:Also, those last 17-18 eps of Sailor Moon R Vekurotto were the best dubbed eps IMO (didn't watch Super S). Power of Love rocked so much and the 4 Ayakashi sisters sounded much better in the ep of Sapphire's death.

I haven't seen dubbed SM Classic or R since it went off the air and forgot most of it by the time I watched Sailor Moon subbed. In short I'm glad I did forget.

You can like them but they're just badly dubbed. I'll give Funi's Dragon Ball Z more credit than I do dubbed Sailor Moon. And you think Koan(Katzy) sounded better in the dub? That's your opinion but I thought that the general consensuses in the SM fan community was that she sounded like a crack whore?

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:46 pm

What I meant was that they sounded better and might've been recast from the earlier dubbed eps. And Catsy lost that annoying rasp in the ep of Sapphire's death. Thing I learned when I rented a couple Sailor Moon dvds was if you watch it without thinking too much about Japanese they can still be enjoyable.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:55 pm

Super Sonic wrote: Thing I learned when I rented a couple Sailor Moon dvds was if you watch it without thinking too much about Japanese they can still be enjoyable.

I'm glad you have such a high tolorance Super Sonic because I tired watching with all my might and without thinking about the original at all and I either laugh or got extremely uncomfortable with what was taking place in the dub well that and I watched the S and SuperS dubs and they were... bad. The editing in the DiC episodes kills it for me even without bias because it's so obvious it's not even funny.

Like I said you can like it but it's not for me.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:58 pm

Thing I learned when I watched old eps of Grimm's Fairy Tales Classics on youtube, turn off anime senses and watch like you would other cartoons, it can be more enjoyable without noting dubbing not aging well, and kept me from becoming elitist.

Also saw Sailor Moon on tv before discovering Japanese version.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:08 pm

Super Sonic wrote:Also saw Sailor Moon on tv before discovering Japanese version.

Didn't really watch the dub on TV. I'm not being an elitist either if that's what you were saying, which I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and saying that you didn't, but I just find dubbed Sailor Moon to be a horrible representation worse than Funi's Dragon Ball Z. At the very very least I thought that Funi kept the some of the most basics of basics in Dragon Ball while DiC and Cloverway just didn't. You're free to think any way you want but that's how I feel about it.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:30 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:
Gozar wrote:But Batman and Superman are Super Hero Cartoons. What does that have to do with accurately representing DBZ?
Because Dragon Ball is not now, nor has it ever been a super hero cartoon. It’s a martial arts fantasy with a breezy, lighthearted, and sometimes almost spoofy tone at heart depending on the arc in question.

I think it's rather obvious that Toriyama's story telling style changed over the years of writing DragonBall. While it may have started out much more light-hearted as an martial arts action adventure. It clearly did become a super hero-esque save the world series. Come on, once we get to the Cell Era we've got insane Sci-fi tones and at this point Goku has become similar to a Super Hero.

"The world had no faith in it's champions. But the world had forgotten that long ago there was a boy who fought Piccolo Daimao. The world had forgotten the warrior who turned aside the threat of the Saiya-jin and Freeza...The world had forgotten Son Goku."

There's no denying that later in a sense Goku had become earth's "Champion of Justice". Toriyama literally states that the world had no faith in it's Champions. But they had forgotten Goku. What does this insinuate? That Goku is a champion of the earth.

Now this by no means constitutes any changes earlier on.