But... why?
As you can read along with in this forum thread (as well as anecdotal evidence I have from looking at web stats, getting e-mails to the website and podcast, receiving donations from people, etc... and note that I gave up in that thread after a while with regards to updating the first post, so you'll unfortunately have to read along with it)... we have a huge foreign readership.
Sure, I'm in North America, but I'm not specifically catering to North America. Just like the rules say (and has already been quoted):
But you're not catering for people who are most familiar with the dub, at all. I'd rather say that's a bigger group of people. Not that it matters even if it's only a few people, it's still stupid.
FUNimation is really big to you and you're in a place where FUNimation releases stuff and therefore we should say and ultimately not change "Tien".
You're being a weeaboo. Most DB fans that come here or at least come here + potentially will come here grew up with the dub. So yes it IS important. Again, it's the the dub speculatively the largest market outside of japan got.
And if it's just some obscure dub that's not like the one the rest of the world got - why would it matter so much to you? People, from time to time, bring up versions of Transformers hat specific countries got, in one country I believe Starscream was a girl, and in another Jetfire was the autobot leader in the comic.
Are those not of note? Are those simply "getting it wrong"? Even if they are, should people have to put random BB code in that most new users wouldn't know how to use just to talk about them? There is not even a shred of logic in your way of thinking.
It IS elitism and you should feel bad about it.
Like I said before, though, what about all the other name changes? I'm not hearing anything about "Hercule" and "Frieza". If it's because you didn't know about them and their auto-corrections on the forum, well, now you know!
That's also terrible. What if people simply prefer the name "Hercule"? Why do you not allow people their preference?
Saiyan wrote:It explicitly states in the rules that emphasis is placed on the Japanese version, and in the Japanese version, THAT is his name. Saying Buruma for Bulma is different because Bulma is actually her name, instead of just romanizing Japanese characters. And Krillin is roughly close enough to Kuririn to be considered a correct name, unlike Tenshinhan and Tien Shinhan, as it's adding in that extra syllable that would change his name when speaking it in Japanese. And the fact that last names tend to go first, so if it WERE in Japanese, it would really be Shinhan Tien, which really wouldn't be right..
Besides, saying Mike is immature for setting up rules and regulations for his forums is asinine. It's like saying the US judicial system is stupid for setting up laws for the country. If you want to pass through the system, do it by going around the word filter. If you wanna make a comparison, think jaywalking. You want to walk, but the street lights say not to. So you could walk if you want to, you just have to look both ways first, putting in a little extra effort. It's essentially the same thing. I don't really see what the problem is.
So because
Laws should only exist because they prevent some ultimate harm, which is over a certain threshold so we don't have laws against prodding lamp-posts.
I don't know if you notice, but people protest about laws against things that don't hurt people too. You're not exactly being shining example for independant thought.
A more apt comparison would be the inter racial marriage idea I brought up.
Making up rules or laws to force your opinions on people IS immature. That's not what they're for. Laws should only be made to stop people - and to determine that, you need a good old mature debate. Which isn't happening here since the other side seems unwilling to listen or compromise.
SSj Kaboom wrote:So long story short, the filter changes it to "Tenshinhan" because, in pure fact, that is his name.
Actually it isn't.
In reality his name is not Tenshinhan at all. It is
Why not just have the filter change it to that?
Some people prefer the name "Tien". Should we force all mentions of "Convoy" to be "Optimus Prime" because he was only refered to as Convoy in one market?
No, it's ludicrous. Optimus Prime "Is" his name, but he was given another name by someone else.
Should we change all references of THE GREAT SAIYAMAN too? That's not his real name.
I guess nobody got the pink supervisor reference. But either way there's simply no need for the filter. It's not a case of justifying why it needs to be removed, the filter needs to be justified in the first place. If your aim is to "educate" fans - then you must admit that the influence of decisions here have a wider influence than on your "Private property" and again, this kind of thing gives anime fans a bad name.
You need to be responsible for your actions.
What is wrong, exactly, with having an introduction page people must read pointing out the names of the original characters in the dub? And don't force it on people, just point out that they're the originals and let people make up their own mind. Goddamn I thought I was overly assertive.
I swear this is dust hill zone all over again. The people pushing the "technicality" on that one were hilariously proven wrong. What would you do if some document was uncovered that said FUNimation used "Tien" because they found that's what Toriyama originally called him in an earlier draft of the Dragonball Manga? It's entire possible with the weird names they have. You can't know for sure where the name came from. Heck what if he himself wanted them to use "Tien" as he prefered that name.
I'm not trying to stir thing up, but this is getting ridiculous, now it seems to be more about the principle of being "oppressed" than anything else.
It isn't that big of a deal, if you want to be free of the iron fisted rule of the "weaboo elitist" go anywhere else on the internet, there are countless communities that place preference on the English dub.
Hold on now. It's okay to be anal about Tenshinhan's name in the extreme, to the point of essentially forcing it on people, but it's NOT okay to have an issue with poor administration and making dragon ball fans look like idiotic fanatics?
If this IRON FIST is so insigificant, then why bother with the filter if it's obviously upsetting people? It's a negligible issue. In no way could naming a supporting character in an anime correctly be more of a crime than forcing your opinion on someone in an arrogant fashion.
The deeper issue here is that people seem to be incapable of any form of logical thought, and are opinion pushing to boot. That's ALWAYS an issue, and an important one. It doesn't matter if there are other sites - I haven't checked out any other DB forums, but what if they all suck? What if this is the only one that, despite having people who were apparently born without a logic center in their brain, has attracted the only decent portion of the fanbase?
My rules or the road is NEVER a smart thing to say. People shouldn't be absolved of personality responsibility just because they happen to be shitting in their corner of the internet. It's still out in the open, and I can still see and smell it.
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