SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Chou Gohan in Movie 13.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Super Buu alone wins.khalildh wrote:Movie 13 Goku vs Bootenks from the manga.
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Nope.khalildh wrote:SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Chou Gohan in Movie 13.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Super Buu alone wins.khalildh wrote:Movie 13 Goku vs Bootenks from the manga.
Who wins?
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We don't know if Whis can boost his power further, I doubt it. I think Birus would win if Goku gave him his ki. It pretty much always comes down to who has more ki.Polyphase Avatron wrote:Whis is still more skilled. And he might have hidden techniques that can boost his power.dbzfan7 wrote:Well what if Goku transferred his power to Birus. Then Birus would be a 16 and be stronger than Whis' 15.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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I don't believe so. Hildegarn was stronger than U. Gohan, SS3 Gotenks, and SS3 Goku, but Goku killed him with Ryu-ken, which is stated to be his strongest attack, meaning that the amplification should be huge. Plus, Hildegarn had to turn into a ghost to avoid damage, which could mean that his durability sucks. Which is why Goku's powerful attack could kill the stronger than him Hildegarn.khalildh wrote:SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Chou Gohan in Movie 13.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Movie 5 Goku vs Android Arc Goku
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AH arc Goku wins obviously.TheGmGoken wrote:Movie 5 Goku vs Android Arc Goku
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Isn't Movie 5 Return of Cooler? Or is that Movie 6DBZGTKOSDH wrote:AH arc Goku wins obviously.TheGmGoken wrote:Movie 5 Goku vs Android Arc Goku
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Movie 5 is the Coola movie, Movie 6 is the Metal Coola movie.TheGmGoken wrote:Isn't Movie 5 Return of Cooler? Or is that Movie 6DBZGTKOSDH wrote:AH arc Goku wins obviously.TheGmGoken wrote:Movie 5 Goku vs Android Arc Goku
If you meant M6 Goku, then the luckiest one wins, since I believe that they are exactly the same.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Goku tanked multiple hits from the evolved form of Hildegarn which had previously punched Gotenks out of fusion in just one hit. So, no.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I don't believe so. Hildegarn was stronger than U. Gohan, SS3 Gotenks, and SS3 Goku, but Goku killed him with Ryu-ken, which is stated to be his strongest attack, meaning that the amplification should be huge. Plus, Hildegarn had to turn into a ghost to avoid damage, which could mean that his durability sucks. Which is why Goku's powerful attack could kill the stronger than him Hildegarn.khalildh wrote:SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Chou Gohan in Movie 13.
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One does not punch Gotenks out of fusion 
. Gotenks time was merely up. Goku tanking Hirudegarn's hits is just Goku being Goku. He'll get up after anything no matter how strong the opponent is.
. Gotenks time was merely up. Goku tanking Hirudegarn's hits is just Goku being Goku. He'll get up after anything no matter how strong the opponent is.Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Unless its Toei animation directing a DBZ movie where Goku may as well be omnipotent. We know it to be true.TheMightyOzaru wrote:One does not punch Gotenks out of fusion
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Gotenks & Gohan were caught off guard, while Goku was fully prepared to take the hits.rereboy wrote:Goku tanked multiple hits from the evolved form of Hildegarn which had previously punched Gotenks out of fusion in just one hit. So, no.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I don't believe so. Hildegarn was stronger than U. Gohan, SS3 Gotenks, and SS3 Goku, but Goku killed him with Ryu-ken, which is stated to be his strongest attack, meaning that the amplification should be huge. Plus, Hildegarn had to turn into a ghost to avoid damage, which could mean that his durability sucks. Which is why Goku's powerful attack could kill the stronger than him Hildegarn.khalildh wrote:SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Chou Gohan in Movie 13.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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5 minutes hadn't passed for Gotenks after going SSj3, nor 30 minutes as a whole. As far as I remember, he went SSJ3, he attacked the monster, it seemed effective for a few seconds, the monster evolved and the monster attacked, punching Gotenks which results in Gotenks collapsing and his fusion breaking apart.TheMightyOzaru wrote:One does not punch Gotenks out of fusion
And Goku literally TANKED several hits from the monster. No one else in the movie tanked him like that, not even Gohan.
Since when in Dragon Ball a fighter several times weaker than another fighter can tank several hits from an adversary and only be slightly hurt just because he is expecting the hits, while the other, several times stronger fighter, ends ups way more hurt with the same kind of hits just because he wasn't tanking them, but was in fluid combat?DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Gotenks & Gohan were caught off guard, while Goku was fully prepared to take the hits.
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It happens all the time in the anime. Base Goku, Trunks, and Vegeta could fight with #13, #14, and #15, yet those Artificial Humans were a match for their Super Saiyan forms, Base Gohan could survive from Broli, who was stronger than his SS2, Veku could survive from Janenba's hits, Base Goku & Gohan could fight with Rild, who is stated to be stronger than Boo, base Goku could fight with SS Gohan & Goten, base Gohan could fight with SS Goten, base Goku could survive Super Yi Xing Long's ki blast, etc.rereboy wrote:TheMightyOzaru wrote:Since when in Dragon Ball a fighter several times weaker than another fighter can tank several hits from an adversary and only be slightly hurt just because he is expecting the hits, while the other, several times stronger fighter, ends ups way more hurt with the same kind of hits just because he wasn't tanking them, but was in fluid combat?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Doesn't Goku just stand there and take a bunch of blasts from Kid Buu when he's charging up the Spirit Bomb, too? Or was that an anime-only thing? (...though I guess since GT examples were already brought up, it wouldn't matter whether it was anime-only or not...)
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And? Goku's taken several hits from people far stronger than him many times. There's Freeza, Cooler, Tullece, Slug, Super 13, and Broly. As for Gotenks, you can't just knock someone out of fusion. What happened to Gotenks was just poor writing.rereboy wrote:5 minutes hadn't passed for Gotenks after going SSj3, nor 30 minutes as a whole. As far as I remember, he went SSJ3, he attacked the monster, it seemed effective for a few seconds, the monster evolved and the monster attacked, punching Gotenks which results in Gotenks collapsing and his fusion breaking apart.TheMightyOzaru wrote:One does not punch Gotenks out of fusion
And Goku literally TANKED several hits from the monster. No one else in the movie tanked him like that, not even Gohan.
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The only in universe explanation for Wrath of The Dragon's character strengths is that its after Battle of Gods and Goku has absorbed SSJG. It would explain being stronger than Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks. Both who would normally wreck SSJ3 Goku.
Other than that, poor writing and more Goku worship on Toei's part, like they did in all the movies.
Other than that, poor writing and more Goku worship on Toei's part, like they did in all the movies.
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Where does the Chozenshuu timeline put it? Also if this was him "After" BoG then why would he need SSJ3...aw fuck it. We all know it was Goku wank from Toei's part.KentalSSJ6 wrote:The only in universe explanation for Wrath of The Dragon's character strengths is that its after Battle of Gods and Goku has absorbed SSJG. It would explain being stronger than Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks. Both who would normally wreck SSJ3 Goku.
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Plus Videl still has her short Z hair as apposed to her Battle of Gods or End of Z hair so shes not pregnant yet. Shes still in high school as well.TheGmGoken wrote:Where does the Chozenshuu timeline put it? Also if this was him "After" BoG then why would he need SSJ3...aw fuck it. We all know it was Goku wank from Toei's part.KentalSSJ6 wrote:The only in universe explanation for Wrath of The Dragon's character strengths is that its after Battle of Gods and Goku has absorbed SSJG. It would explain being stronger than Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks. Both who would normally wreck SSJ3 Goku.
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Unless Gohan pounded her in the Highschool Bathroom and Videl cut her hair again. Oce again we all know this was Goku wank.KentalSSJ6 wrote:Plus Videl still has her short Z hair as apposed to her Battle of Gods or End of Z hair so shes not pregnant yet. Shes still in high school as well.TheGmGoken wrote:Where does the Chozenshuu timeline put it? Also if this was him "After" BoG then why would he need SSJ3...aw fuck it. We all know it was Goku wank from Toei's part.KentalSSJ6 wrote:The only in universe explanation for Wrath of The Dragon's character strengths is that its after Battle of Gods and Goku has absorbed SSJG. It would explain being stronger than Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks. Both who would normally wreck SSJ3 Goku.