The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Polyphase Avatron]

I have an idea: Gogeta (formed by healthy Goku at the beginning of the Android saga and Vegeta fusing via fusion dance) vs. 17 and 18.

[Kamiccolo9]

Gogeta stomps.

[TheMightyOzaru]

He would murder C-16 in his base form.

[rereboy]

One does not punch Gotenks out of fusion . Gotenks time was merely up. Goku tanking Hirudegarn's hits is just Goku being Goku. He'll get up after anything no matter how strong the opponent is.

5 minutes hadn't passed for Gotenks after going SSj3, nor 30 minutes as a whole. As far as I remember, he went SSJ3, he attacked the monster, it seemed effective for a few seconds, the monster evolved and the monster attacked, punching Gotenks which results in Gotenks collapsing and his fusion breaking apart.

And Goku literally TANKED several hits from the monster. No one else in the movie tanked him like that, not even Gohan.

And? Goku's taken several hits from people far stronger than him many times. There's Freeza, Cooler, Tullece, Slug, Super 13, and Broly. As for Gotenks, you can't just knock someone out of fusion. What happened to Gotenks was just poor writing.

And........? The point was that Gohan and Gotenks, who are several times stronger than Goku, couldn't take a fraction than what Goku tanked. So unless you arguing that Goku has a resistance that makes him able to tank several attacks that fighters several times stronger couldn't resist... AND, btw, this is basically the only way we can even compare their powers in that movie besides baseless opinion. So.........

It happens all the time in the anime. Base Goku, Trunks, and Vegeta could fight with #13, #14, and #15, yet those Artificial Humans were a match for their Super Saiyan forms, Base Gohan could survive from Broli, who was stronger than his SS2, Veku could survive from Janenba's hits, Base Goku & Gohan could fight with Rild, who is stated to be stronger than Boo, base Goku could fight with SS Gohan & Goten, base Gohan could fight with SS Goten, base Goku could survive Super Yi Xing Long's ki blast, etc.

You literally just provided examples from other movies and DBGT, which are also known to screw with power level of the characters compared to the manga. The discussion was that SSJ3 Goku is, or at least seems to be, stronger than Gohan in that movie, which is something that goes agaisnt the manga. You are not helping your argument by just pointing out other examples of debatable power level choices in other movies and DBGT.

[Cursed Lemon]

Goku and Vegeta fusion on Namek vs. Freeza.

[RandomGuy96]

Goku and Vegeta fusion on Namek vs. Freeza.

Err, Namek Gogeta would still have kaio-ken. So he'd stomp.

[TheMightyOzaru]

And........? The point was that Gohan and Gotenks, who are several times stronger than Goku, couldn't take a fraction than what Goku tanked. So unless you arguing that Goku has a resistance that makes him able to tank several attacks that fighters several times stronger couldn't resist... AND, btw, this is basically the only way we can even compare their powers in that movie besides baseless opinion. So.........

Funny, I seem to recall Gohan not tanking much in any of the films . We also see Goku tanking things he shouldn't be able to tank, yet he does anyway. The films always portray Goku as a durable monster no matter how strong he is, so please, don't call my opinions baseless when Goku's done this many times in the past .

[TheGmGoken]

And........? The point was that Gohan and Gotenks, who are several times stronger than Goku, couldn't take a fraction than what Goku tanked. So unless you arguing that Goku has a resistance that makes him able to tank several attacks that fighters several times stronger couldn't resist... AND, btw, this is basically the only way we can even compare their powers in that movie besides baseless opinion. So.........

Funny, I seem to recall Gohan not tanking much in any of the films . We also see Goku tanking things he shouldn't be able to tank, yet he does anyway. The films always portray Goku as a durable monster no matter how strong he is, so please, don't call my opinions baseless when Goku's done this many times in the past .

In fact to go back to your statement about Gohan not doing good in movies. Lets compare what happen when Gohan was the "hero" in Bojack to Goku in other movies

Gohan - Have trouble with Henchmen in his SSJ form
Goku - Beats Henchmen easily even though even Piccolo struggled with them.

Goku 1. Gohan 0.

Gohan - Gets beats the whole movie only for Goku to save him
Goku - Gets beat the whole movie only for him to pull out the odds OR Genki Dama

Goku 3. Gohan 0.

The movies really portrays Goku as a beast.

[TheMightyOzaru]

^See. Even base Goku is doing better than FPSSJ Gohan.

[Hellspawn28]

SSj4 GT Gotenks vs. Super Yi Xing Long. Would Gotenks at SSj4 be strong enough to take him down?

[TheGmGoken]

SSj4 GT Gotenks vs. Super Yi Xing Long. Would Gotenks at SSj4 be strong enough to take him down?

No. Unlike when they was Kids. Goku and Vegeta are WELL above the kids. Goku and Vegeta should be much stronger than the kids now. Even as SSJ I think they will lose to base Goku and Base Vegeta. So.. Shenlong Kicks their asses. A better fight than Gogeta vs Shenlong though

[rereboy]

Funny, I seem to recall Gohan not tanking much in any of the films . We also see Goku tanking things he shouldn't be able to tank, yet he does anyway. The films always portray Goku as a durable monster no matter how strong he is, so please, don't call my opinions baseless when Goku's done this many times in the past

You are admitting the enormous bias Toei has regarding Goku in the movies, making him a durable monster like you said, and yet, you are arguing with me that Goku WASN'T stronger than Gohan in movie 13, even though Goku has been portrayed stronger/more durable than he should be in several movies, and even stronger than characters that should be stronger than him (Gohan in movie 8 )?

What makes you so sure that he wasn't stronger than Gohan in movie 13 then? The fact that Gohan was stronger in the manga? As we've seen, Toei doesn't care about following the manga faithfully in the movies and it has an enormous bias towards Goku, even making him more durable and stronger than he should be. So, why Gohan has to be stronger than Goku again? Because of his feats in the movie? But as we've already discussed, Goku has much better feats in that movie than Gohan.

You say that your opinion isn't baseless and yet, following what you point out as one of the basis of your opinion (the other movies), we reach the conclusion that Toei has no problems in making Goku stronger than he should be. Which is exactly what we were discussing, that he at least seems stronger than Gohan in movie 13 and that everything point at him being stronger when he shouldn't be.

Whatever.

[TheGmGoken]

You say that your opinion isn't baseless and yet, following what you point out as one of the basis of your opinion (the other movies), we reach the conclusion that Toei has no problems in making Goku stronger than he should be. Whatever.

It's not that Goku is stronger than his should be. As he is shown being the correct power until the END of the film. It's the fact that the last attack he uses power him up so much that he is a beast.

So Goku is normal power during the movie but at the end he's stronger due to power of friendship and LOVE! Movie 13 was the power of the Dragon(I think he charge up the Dragon before actually doing the move).

[rereboy]

You say that your opinion isn't baseless and yet, following what you point out as one of the basis of your opinion (the other movies), we reach the conclusion that Toei has no problems in making Goku stronger than he should be. Whatever.

It's not that Goku is stronger than his should be. As he is shown being the correct power until the END of the film. It's the fact that the last attack he uses power him up so much that he is a beast.

So Goku is normal power during the movie but at the end he's stronger due to power of friendship and LOVE! Movie 13 was the power of the Dragon(I think he charge up the Dragon before actually doing the move).

He only uses his SSJ3 at the end of the movie. Therefore, in that movie, the power that he showed in the end, is his SSJ3 power. And with it, he tanked several attacks that Gohan and Gotenks couldn't resist. Which is why he seems, and everything points at him being stronger than any of the others, including Gohan, when he shouldn't. Hell, he shouldn't even be close in power to Gohan.

[TheGmGoken]

You say that your opinion isn't baseless and yet, following what you point out as one of the basis of your opinion (the other movies), we reach the conclusion that Toei has no problems in making Goku stronger than he should be. Whatever.

It's not that Goku is stronger than his should be. As he is shown being the correct power until the END of the film. It's the fact that the last attack he uses power him up so much that he is a beast.

So Goku is normal power during the movie but at the end he's stronger due to power of friendship and LOVE! Movie 13 was the power of the Dragon(I think he charge up the Dragon before actually doing the move).

He only uses his SSJ3 at the end of the movie. Therefore, in that movie, the power that he showed in the end, is his SSJ3 power. And with it, he tanked several attacks that Gohan and Gotenks couldn't resist. Which is why he seems, and everything points at him being stronger than any of the others, including Gohan, when he shouldn't. Hell, he shouldn't even be close in power to Gohan.

Gohan is always weak in movies. SSj3 Gotenks is stronger than Gohan in this movie. Gohan had trouble with that Monster thing before it even "transformed".

[rereboy]

Gohan is always weak in movies. SSj3 Gotenks is stronger than Gohan in this movie. Gohan had trouble with that Monster thing before it even "transformed".

That just supports what I've been saying of Goku appearing to be and being stronger than Gohan in the movie.

[TheGmGoken]

Gohan is always weak in movies. SSj3 Gotenks is stronger than Gohan in this movie. Gohan had trouble with that Monster thing before it even "transformed".

That just supports what I've been saying of Goku appearing to be and being stronger than Gohan in the movie.

I have Gotenks stronger(Therefore the strongest) in this movie honestly. Seeing as it was about Trunks and Tapion mostly so it fits IMO. Gotenks was just caught off guard and Goku took one for the team and "Tank" the attacks when he really got hurt. We''ve seen Goku get hit from big attacks and get back up

[TheMightyOzaru]

Funny, I seem to recall Gohan not tanking much in any of the films . We also see Goku tanking things he shouldn't be able to tank, yet he does anyway. The films always portray Goku as a durable monster no matter how strong he is, so please, don't call my opinions baseless when Goku's done this many times in the past

You are admitting the enormous bias Toei has regarding Goku in the movies, making him a durable monster like you said, and yet, you are arguing with me that Goku WASN'T stronger than Gohan in movie 13, even though Goku has been portrayed stronger/more durable than he should be in several movies, and even stronger than characters that should be stronger than him (Gohan in movie 8 )?

What makes you so sure that he wasn't stronger than Gohan in movie 13 then? The fact that Gohan was stronger in the manga? As we've seen, Toei doesn't care about following the manga faithfully in the movies and it has an enormous bias towards Goku, even making him more durable and stronger than he should be. So, why Gohan has to be stronger than Goku again? Because of his feats in the movie? But as we've already discussed, Goku has much better feats in that movie than Gohan.

You say that your opinion isn't baseless and yet, following what you point out as one of the basis of your opinion (the other movies), we reach the conclusion that Toei has no problems in making Goku stronger than he should be. Which is exactly what we were discussing, that he at least seems stronger than Gohan in movie 13 and that everything point at him being stronger when he shouldn't be.

Whatever.

He's not stronger because he isn't stronger. Goku's ability to tank things has nothing do with his battle power, as scene in many of the movies. Is base Goku stronger than FPSSJ Gohan? No. I would also like to point out that Vegeta did better than both Gotenks and Gohan in movie 13. Is he stronger than Gohan and Gotenks? I would hope you'd know the answer to that question. My opinions aren't baseless when they are backed up by multiple movies. If you want to believe Goku is stronger than Gohan just cuz he tanked a few of Hirudegarns hits, be my guest, but don't claim my opinions are baseless just because you don't agree with them. Gohan is stronger IMO and that's that.

[goku the krump dancer]

Hirudegarn had a weakness. When ever his emotions were high his power would drop. So if hes too upset he'll actually get weaker which is kinda funny. Thats why Goku kept taunting him and with the monster screaming in fear when being engulfed by the Dragon Fist it was probably only making it worse him.

So Hildegarn is only GotenksBoo level or whatever just so long as he's happy and content.

That all could just be a dub thing though.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Hirudegarn had a weakness. When ever his emotions were high his power would drop. So if hes too upset he'll actually get weaker which is kinda funny. Thats why Goku kept taunting him and with the monster screaming in fear when being engulfed by the Dragon Fist it was probably only making it worse him.

So Hildegarn is only GotenksBoo level or whatever just so long as he's happy and content.

That all could just be a dub thing though.

Tis a dub thing.