Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by fadeddreams5 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:42 pm

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dbzfan7 wrote: Go to fanfiction.net or something along those lines, and you'll find billions of stories about villain returning and getting unbelievably strong.

Gohan and Videl being fanservice for "Aw look at the family" when really it's most likely has zero meaning beyond "Hey look pan is born....ok moving on now."
The story has heroes coming back and getting stronger so I don't see what's the problem with it being changed to the villain for once.

I really have nothing against this,it's a small thing that's just there.

IMO fan fiction and fan service is doing something that doesn't make sense with the rest of the story which thankfully isn't the case here.

For example let's say for some reason people start giving a shit about Yamcha and all of a sudden there's a movie about him becoming the strongest in the universe and taking down someone like Beerus. Now this is fan fiction and service that goes against what was previously established but what we're getting as of now isn't.
It's literally one of the things fanfiction is mocked for. Bringing back old villains, and making them really really strong. I was excited, but scared here since maybe Toriyama could do something with that overused concept. His past editor seemed pleased....then news came out...and it's like no one tried to make things work. You can fix some of these problems easily like Freeza being wished back years earlier, but going into training while the rest of DBZ played out. You could have Majin Boo be a fairy tale Freeza heard that he didn't believe existed since Boo wasn't around in Freeza's time I think. He also shouldn't know the God of Destruction. He's boasting he's the best when his own father told him of people not to piss off and would wreck his shit.

Just like the hells angels and miniscule effortless filler fights. Both really adding nothing but "Haha wook at the adorwable things and mean ol Freezer face" and "Oh hey they're doing something meaningful...only not since there is no struggle to handle mooks are all so weak anyone beyond Roshi could wave their hand and kill them all"...fluff fights are boring if they're going to be easy. If they actually could outnumber and harm the Z fighters, I call bullshit since they could overtake Freeza himself and his lack of care for any of them.

I think we already have people pointing out the issues going against pre established things since Minus.
I completely agree with everything you've written in the context of what we've learned about this particular story.

That said, the whole "villains being brought back to life and becoming stronger" stuff is done all the time in comic books. Not just fanfiction. The difference is, it's usually done with the intent of further exploring the villain, with an emphasis on story and narrative, and not just for the sake of bringing back a villain cause he/she's cool. In the case of Frieza, I was instantly excited when I heard he would star as the villain in the new movie because of his influence and role in the overall DBZ story. If anything, this SHOULD HAVE happened a long time ago. I loved the idea of him becoming stronger as long as the method wasn't contrived or, well, an asspull. Unfortunately, my expectations in that regard were shattered.

In just one chapter of FoF, we've received so many plot holes/inconsistencies, it's kind of embarrassing. I'm still looking forward to the movie though.
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Post by ParkerAL » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:42 pm

Maybe Freeza's time in hell gave him access to otherworldly insight into how to make himself stronger? Kind of a stretch, I guess.
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Post by Marco Polo » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:48 pm

Vegeta definitely has a slimmer appearance than Goku because of the form-fitting clothes, but I'm pretty sure the perspective of the photo makes him look even smaller than he should be. Try to imagine if this was a flat scanned picture.

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:51 pm

Man, modern Vegeta's appearance is exactly like what he looked like in the early android arc. After his ROSAT training, he clearly bulked up and remained that way in the Buu arc. I always figured that change of appearance was intentional to be consistent with the plot, but now... -.-
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Post by Bullza » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:51 pm

I actually get the feeling more and more that we won't be seeing a Super Saiyan God Vegeta now.

My assumption is that some time between Battle of Gods and Revival of F the Saiyan ritual was performed to make Vegeta a God and like Goku he's absorbed it into his body to drastically increase his base power and so he doesn't need to transform anymore. Then they both go to Beerus' planet to train with Whis to prepare for an eventual rematch when he next wakes up.

That's what they'll be up to at the start of the movie. It'll probably have been done that way so that Vegeta can keep up with the training.

It might explain why we haven't seen either as a Super Saiyan yet or why Goten and Trunks may not be in it if the Saiyan ritual was performed off screen.

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Post by mAcChaos » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:52 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:So you're saying God covered every single body in the entire world when everyone was blown into nothingness....Dende didn't seem to do jack shit.
Careless Saiyajin wrote:Okay, i don't see any direct evidence but i can buy into that, however If you have any material that actually shows any of that i would be very interested (Or just tell me what page of the manga because i own the whole thing).
Go look at the Raditz arc. Goku disappears because Kami needs his body, and after the Saiyan fight, Kami remakes Chiaotzu's body.

In Dragonball, they had to preserve Krillin's body to stop it from decaying, so he would be okay when they revived him.

So this is not something that happens automatically. Kami probably just can snap his fingers because he has God powers and could make it happen. We don't know exactly how it works, but we do know that this is what happens.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:52 pm

ParkerAL wrote:Maybe Freeza's time in hell gave him access to otherworldly information about how to make himself stronger? Kind of a stretch, I guess.
Perhaps all the information about how he's a prodigy with great dormant power came from the angels mocking him as part of his torture. Serving him up a big slice of painful truth and rubbing it in his face that he was too foolish to realize any of this. =p

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Post by GokuRules987 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:54 pm

How the heck could Frieza compete against Goku and Vegeta in 4 months? Unless he gets some extreme ass training to the point where he could literaly move planets, or do some crazy ass feats like superman, he wont be even tickling the new god mode Goku.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:57 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:I completely agree with everything you've written in the context of what we've learned about this particular story.

That said, the whole "villains being brought back to life and becoming stronger" stuff is done all the time in comic books. Not just fanfiction. The difference is, it's usually done with the intent of further exploring the villain, with an emphasis on story and narrative, and not just for the sake of bringing back a villain cause he/she's cool. In the case of Freeza, I was instantly excited when I heard he would star as the villain in the new movie because of his influence and role in the overall DBZ story. If anything, this SHOULD HAVE happened a long time ago. I loved the idea of him becoming stronger as long as the method wasn't contrived or, well, an asspull. Unfortunately, my expectations in that regard were shattered.

In just one chapter of FoF, we've received so many plot holes/inconsistencies, it's kind of embarrassing. I'm still looking forward to the movie though.
Not really a fan when comics do it either. Though I too was excited since I do really like Freeza, but I couldn't shake the fact how the idea came across as typical fanfiction I've read before. But Toriyama is on the case and his editor praised him...so perhaps things will be different. Cut to now and...I swear no one put much thought into making things worse. Why does Freeza need to know who Boo and Beerus are? What does that add beyond a bad tie in. Like I said Boo was around so long ago he could be considered a fairy tale that never existed. That connection would have been fine. Then his dad makes them out to be real...so much for that.

I see things may be tailoring to Vegeta....even though we know jack shit about what Freeza did to him. For all we know he just took his royalty...but never beat him or anything like that, so Veggie just got in a hissy fit about lack of power. Maybe they will show more about their past and have it more personal between the two. Maybe that's the angle for Freeza returning. Though it comes off as fanservice since I don't think Vegeta really has regrets or anger anymore about Freeza since so much time has past. He seems to have dropped his grudges and became peaceful to a degree. Not sure what development he really has left since he already has chosen his family over pride recently.

I'd kill for a real editor to keep Toriyama in check again.
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dbzfan7 wrote:So you're saying God covered every single body in the entire world when everyone was blown into nothingness....Dende didn't seem to do jack shit.
Go look at the Raditz arc. Goku disappears because Kami needs his body, and after the Saiyan fight, Kami remakes Chiaotzu's body.

In Dragonball, they had to preserve Krillin's body to stop it from decaying, so he would be okay when they revived him.

So this is not something that happens automatically. Kami probably just can snap his fingers because he has God powers and could make it happen. We don't know exactly how it works, but we do know that this is what happens.
Again we never see or are told of Dende doing anything when they bring back all of Cells victims, Vegeta's victims, Boo's victims, nothing of that sort. We're shown Porunga and Shenlong doing everything. Never is this brought up.
GokuRules987 wrote:How the heck could Freeza compete against Goku and Vegeta in 4 months? Unless he gets some extreme ass training to the point where he could literaly move planets, or do some crazy ass feats like superman, he wont be even tickling the new god mode Goku.
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Post by Dyno » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:57 pm

Hasn't Akira said that King Cold also possesses an abnormal power level? It might be the very source of Freeza's capability, he inherited from his father.

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GokuRules987 wrote:How the heck could Freeza compete against Goku and Vegeta in 4 months? Unless he gets some extreme ass training to the point where he could literaly move planets, or do some crazy ass feats like superman, he wont be even tickling the new god mode Goku.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:01 pm

GokuRules987 wrote:How the heck could Freeza compete against Goku and Vegeta in 4 months? Unless he gets some extreme ass training to the point where he could literaly move planets, or do some crazy ass feats like superman, he wont be even tickling the new god mode Goku.
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Dragon Ball characters skyrocket in terms power levels in a short space of time all the time. Hell, it became a plot point on a few occasions during the show. If the Saiyans can do it, why can't Freeza?
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Post by Friezacooler » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:02 pm

[quote]GokuRules987"]How the heck could Freeza compete against Goku and Vegeta in 4 months? Unless he gets some extreme ass training to the point where he could literaly move planets, or do some crazy ass feats like superman, he wont be even tickling the new god mode Goku.[quote]


He could do this in just his baseform since he can destroy a dwarf star with a finger flick he could amp the ki with his telekinesis to move it XD.
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Post by Tennessaiyan » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:03 pm

Now that all my questions about Frieza have been mostly answered, I'm still very curious about Bulma. As a big Bulma fan, I can't wait to see what her plans are out on the battlefield, and with her character art being revealed early along with Gohan, Krillin, and Roshi, I'm thinking she'll play a more important role in this movie. I hope she does, at least. Bulma actually participating in battle. That's just awesome.

Also did some mental math... If Pan is a newborn at the time Frieza is revived, and then the group fights Frieza after four months of training, then technically, Bulma could be pregnant on the battlefield :o If it IS indeed true that Bra is exactly one year younger than Pan, that is. Ha, imagine if Bulma found out she was expecting while fighting. Sorbet (or another of Frieza's soldeirs) could scan her with thier scouter and say, "Hmm, I'm picking up two power levels from this weakling. That's strange." Then they'd brush it off as if it was her mech/one of her machines messing with the performance of their scouters, but Bulma would be all :shock:
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Post by fadeddreams5 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:05 pm

I really hope Frieza beats both Vegeta and Goku, forcing the other characters to use the dragon balls to wish for someone who can stop him, resulting in the resurrection of Broly. After losing to him, Frieza, in a plot twist, can reveal that he's actually Cell, who acquired the ability to shapeshift by releasing his cells in hell and assimilating them with other fallen villains. Broly, in disbelief over how overpowered he now is, can transform into a SSJ demi-God. It's like SSJG with black aura, but it's only accessible to Broly because he is really evil. This would be amazing.
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Post by Doctor. » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:07 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:I really hope Freeza beats both Vegeta and Goku, forcing the other characters to use the dragon balls to wish for someone who can stop him, resulting in the resurrection of Broly. After losing to him, Freeza, in a plot twist, can reveal that he's actually Cell, who acquired the ability to shapeshift by releasing his cells in hell and assimilating them with other fallen villains. Broly, in disbelief over how overpowered he now is, can transform into a SSJ demi-God. It's like SSJG with black aura, but it's only accessible to Broly because he is really evil. This would be amazing.
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Post by Retan » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:08 pm

No that really wouldn't.


And do you guys notice the spiky black hair next to Vegeta, must be gohan, or could it be... GMGoken it just might be GOTEN!! But probably isn't. :D
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fadeddreams5 wrote:I really hope Freeza beats both Vegeta and Goku, forcing the other characters to use the dragon balls to wish for someone who can stop him, resulting in the resurrection of Broly. After losing to him, Freeza, in a plot twist, can reveal that he's actually Cell, who acquired the ability to shapeshift by releasing his cells in hell and assimilating them with other fallen villains. Broly, in disbelief over how overpowered he now is, can transform into a SSJ demi-God. It's like SSJG with black aura, but it's only accessible to Broly because he is really evil. This would be amazing.
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Post by GokuRules987 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:12 pm

In terms of feats Friza had the best feats hands down. lifting an island, surviving a poink blank planet explosion while being heavily injured, flicking away planet vegeta which had 10x times the earth gravity with his finger and more.
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