Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by The gr » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:28 pm

It was a meh fight,I can't believe higashide animate it a ehh fight,I still think the first 30 second of Goku figthing bergamo is one of his best cuts imo, through the weather effect was cool in this episode, More of this please, next week better deliver great storyboarding, scenary and action
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by Mazingerdestro » Mon May 01, 2017 5:07 am

JazzMazz wrote:I know this has been said before, but this show really needs more impact frames, espicially when it comes to transformations. In Z, impact frames were used quite a bit for transformations and though they didn't work that well all the time, I think they definitely look better than suddenly transforming like in this episode for example. That Cabba transformation looked awful and the Ultimate Gohan transformation was also pretty lackluster, I think adding a impact frame here and their would make them generally more interesting.

EDIT: That Veggeto espicially looks extremely phoned in.
Personally, I liked how Cabba changed. Adding impact frames inside a small room would require to drew furniture moving and would add more to the workload (you can't have Cabba having an strong transformation and the room staying the same). Yes having the room blowing up would be impressive but still it would be extra work. Also it was just a demonstration so it makes sense for Cabba to go ssj just to show the hair change.

However, with Gohan I don't mind the weak transformation as much as I mind the hair. The filter still removes a lot of detail in black areas and his hair look like a giant black mountain over his head. The advantage of the filter is that blue and ssj look way better but people with black hair suffer.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by Ajay » Mon May 01, 2017 9:05 am

Some scans from the latest Blu-ray booklet.

You get a better look at Tsuji's Vegetto design - and it also appears she did Trunks' Genki Sword thing.
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On the Yamamuro side of things, here's his Merged Zamasu:
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And lastly, help me figure out whether this is Tsuji or Yamamuro:
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On one hand, the nose on the bottom profile shot screams Tsuji to me, alongside the fact that almost every 'new' design in #66 appears to be Tsuji's work. On the other, it's kinda strange to me that Yamamuro would do regular Zamasu, Merged Zamasu, but not the weird purple version.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by JazzMazz » Mon May 01, 2017 9:12 am

Ajay wrote:Some scans from the latest Blu-ray booklet.

You get a better look at Tsuji's Vegetto design - and it also appears she did Trunks' Genki Sword thing.
[spoiler]Image
Image[/spoiler]

On the Yamamuro side of things, here's his Merged Zamasu:
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]

And lastly, help me figure out whether this is Tsuji or Yamamuro:
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]

On one hand, the nose on the bottom profile shot screams Tsuji to me, alongside the fact that almost every 'new' design in #66 appears to be Tsuji's work. On the other, it's kinda strange to me that Yamamuro would do regular Zamasu, Merged Zamasu, but not the weird purple version.
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Eh, they are nothing particularly special, the design for merged Zamasu is still way detailed with way too much shading.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by ArchedThunder » Mon May 01, 2017 9:41 am

Grotesque Zamasu feels like Yamamuro to me.
I'm surprised they didn't have more Ikari stuff, just what you posted and one other shot.
Also is that base Vegetto at the top also Tsuji? I looks quite different. One of the base shots even has classic cheek shading.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by emperior » Mon May 01, 2017 11:57 am

Is that the only Super Saiyan Rage Trunks thing they had?

And isn't that Merged Zamasu posted above Toriyama's design? Because we already saw Yamamuro's design.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by Ajay » Mon May 01, 2017 12:15 pm

emperior wrote:Is that the only Super Saiyan Rage Trunks thing they had?

And isn't that Merged Zamasu posted above Toriyama's design? Because we already saw Yamamuro's design.
The colour version is Toriyama's, but the actual headshots are from Yamamuro.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by emperior » Mon May 01, 2017 12:22 pm

Ajay wrote:
emperior wrote:Is that the only Super Saiyan Rage Trunks thing they had?

And isn't that Merged Zamasu posted above Toriyama's design? Because we already saw Yamamuro's design.
The colour version is Toriyama's, but the actual headshots are from Yamamuro.
Cool. I wonder why Yamamuro re-drew Merged Zamasu instead of keeping Toriyama's design as he did with Black (and Zamasu too?)
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by Nasryyy » Tue May 02, 2017 11:24 am

Psychmatik, was this fixed in the blu ray ??
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by Ajay » Tue May 02, 2017 11:49 am

Nasryyy wrote:Psychmatik, was this fixed in the blu ray ??
Unfortunately not.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by emperior » Tue May 02, 2017 12:42 pm

Ajay wrote:
Nasryyy wrote:Psychmatik, was this fixed in the blu ray ??
Unfortunately not.
What's the problem with that shot? There were many that are much worse than that, unless I'm missing something.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by Nasryyy » Tue May 02, 2017 12:55 pm

emperior wrote:
Ajay wrote:
Nasryyy wrote:Psychmatik, was this fixed in the blu ray ??
Unfortunately not.
What's the problem with that shot? There were many that are much worse than that, unless I'm missing something.
you are missing something the problem is not in the drawing look at goku's hair closely

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by emperior » Tue May 02, 2017 1:37 pm

Nasryyy wrote:
emperior wrote:
Ajay wrote: Unfortunately not.
What's the problem with that shot? There were many that are much worse than that, unless I'm missing something.
you are missing something the problem is not in the drawing look at goku's hair closely
Oh, I didn't notice it. It's still not a big of a problem as some bad drawings and disproportioned bodies we got.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by jeffbr92 » Tue May 02, 2017 2:28 pm

Ajay wrote:You get a better look at Tsuji's Vegetto design - and it also appears she did Trunks' Genki Sword thing.
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Don't mind me but I didn't like much this design, his hair looks exactly the same in Base and SSJB forms
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by nite_jay » Tue May 02, 2017 7:40 pm

Ajay wrote:And lastly, help me figure out whether this is Tsuji or Yamamuro:
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]

On one hand, the nose on the bottom profile shot screams Tsuji to me, alongside the fact that almost every 'new' design in #66 appears to be Tsuji's work. On the other, it's kinda strange to me that Yamamuro would do regular Zamasu, Merged Zamasu, but not the weird purple version.

Thoughts?
I'm pretty sure this is Yamamuro. The face in the upper right looks a lot like the lower left expression on this design, and the hair on the left is super brick looking like how he usually draws hair.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by JazzMazz » Wed May 03, 2017 1:50 am

I noticed that the scene originally credited by to Futoshi Highashide on #75 is now sharing a tag with Miuma Kenji on Sakugabooru. Could you please explain which scenes were done by Kenji, Ajay? If I were to guess, I presume it was the explosions in some scenes.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by Araki » Wed May 03, 2017 2:12 am

emperior wrote:
Ajay wrote:
emperior wrote:Is that the only Super Saiyan Rage Trunks thing they had?

And isn't that Merged Zamasu posted above Toriyama's design? Because we already saw Yamamuro's design.
The colour version is Toriyama's, but the actual headshots are from Yamamuro.
Cool. I wonder why Yamamuro re-drew Merged Zamasu instead of keeping Toriyama's design as he did with Black (and Zamasu too?)
Still, anime Merged Zamasu looks a lot closer to Toriyama's design than manga Merged Zamasu...

It's interesting to see Toriyama's original design as he clearly intended him to look more Zamasu and less Goku.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by Hit!! » Wed May 03, 2017 4:52 am

Loving the consistency in Dragon Ball Super. Every single episode has at least one cut worth enjoying. I'm really liking how much the animation has improved, especially after viewing older episodes in the ROF and Uni 6 arc and even in the BOG arc. DBS is on a whole 'nother league now compared to the first 40 episodes.

I never noticed this until i started watching the series again from the beginning. The filter, the lighting, the art, etc and Goku is being very well drawn lately.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed May 03, 2017 6:24 am

Pretty interesting that Tsuji made Vegetto's belt lighter in colour, it works pretty well.
Araki wrote:Still, anime Merged Zamasu looks a lot closer to Toriyama's design than manga Merged Zamasu...
I actually liked Toyo's design if I am being honest, think the one long bang makes him look unique.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 87

Post by Sodhi » Wed May 03, 2017 8:30 am

It looks like Toei Credited the wrong writer for #88. It was Fukushima according to Mr. Toshio himself. Newtype was not wrong :)

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