Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Gohaz]

Oh that's true... Piccolo is dead cuz of Vegeta and Nappa, so no Dragon Balls anywhere.. and no Piccolo =o

[Kaboom]

So in this universe we end up with a buddy comedy spinoff starring Vegeta and Kwi, right?

[Hades]

I think Gast isn't concerned about Vegeta, and is probaby telling him to "go away" because there's nothing for him.

[Goten Forever]

Gast looks like a Mary Sues potential...
I mean the power of all Namekians combined would be, what, half Frieza's strength?

[Kingdom Heartless]

Gast looks like a Mary Sues potential...
I mean the power of all Namekians combined would be, what, half Freeza's strength?

It doesn't work like that.

I mean, by that, Piccolo and Nail would have been like 60,000 or something.

[rereboy]

There is no need to call everything and anything a mary sue. True mary sues are not that common.

[Saiga]

Gast looks like a Mary Sues potential...
I mean the power of all Namekians combined would be, what, half Freeza's strength?

If you think this is bad he's apparently at least SS3 tier.

[batistabus]

So in this universe we end up with a buddy comedy spinoff starring Vegeta and Kwi, right?

Oh, please let this be the case.

[Kingdom Heartless]

Gast looks like a Mary Sues potential...
I mean the power of all Namekians combined would be, what, half Freeza's strength?

If you think this is bad he's apparently at least SS3 tier.

Years and years later.

[CaBrPi]

Gast looks like a Mary Sues potential...
I mean the power of all Namekians combined would be, what, half Freeza's strength?

It's closer to Namekian A * Namekian B, rather than Namekian A + Namekian B, so, since Nail's the base, we can say that he was at 42,000 at first, and, even if the Grand Elder's battle power was only 20, that's still 840,000. Multiply that by a further ten even, for that village's elder, you get 8,400,000, and so on. So if there were still 50 Namekians at least, Gast would be insanely powerful.

In fact, I just did the math. If you assume that Nail's BP is 42,000, the Grand Elder's is 20, their are fifty Dragon Clan members with BPs of 10, and three Warrior clan members with BPs of 3,000, using multiplication rather than addition gives Gast Carcolh a total Battle Power of 2.268 x 10^66. That's 2,268,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

Of course, that's assuming a few things, and a very simplified version of what is probably actually a very complex technique, but you get the idea.

[Kingdom Heartless]

Well Namekian fusion wouldn't work exactly like that, otherwise Piccolo would have been around 100% Freeza after fusing with Nail.

It's a boost well beyond addition, but also well below multiplication.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

It's a boost well beyond addition, but also well below multiplication.

AKA, a power required by the plot, like all fusions. =P

[Godo]

Is he really speaking to Vegeta and Cui? From how I got it, he is speaking to Kuririn, Gohan and Bulma about their trip to Namek to revive their friends.

[CaBrPi]

Well Namekian fusion wouldn't work exactly like that, otherwise Piccolo would have been around 100% Freeza after fusing with Nail.

It's a boost well beyond addition, but also well below multiplication.

I believe that, had Nail not just gotten horribly beaten, he very well could've. Besides, I only counted 55 Namekians, and I don't think Freeza would've killed very many by that point.

And of course it's not exact. But I feel that I compensated well by lowering the number of Namekians (and their power levels).

[Saiga]

Gast looks like a Mary Sues potential...
I mean the power of all Namekians combined would be, what, half Freeza's strength?

If you think this is bad he's apparently at least SS3 tier.

Years and years later.

Still completely ridiculous.

[Michsi]

I don't think there is such a thing as ridiculous when it comes to power-ups in DB.


We are talking about a race that creates gods with the abbility to fulfill almost any wish you want and that proved it can produce fighters to rival that of the legendary SSJs. If one fusion can create tremdous power leaps I don't see how several can't do the same....

[Piccolo Daimao]

So in this universe we end up with a buddy comedy spinoff starring Vegeta and Kwi, right?

That would be awesome.

Whether or not Gast heard Vegeta and Kyui doesn't matter much when he can sense Kyui's ki anyway. He'll probably give them a chance to leave, but if they don't, he'll just kill them. I don't think even they will be that stupid, though, knowing that he killed Freeza. And they'd know that it wouldn't have been just a fluke, especially Vegeta, who can sense his ki.

[Pantalones]

Still completely ridiculous.

How, exactly? We've already seen a fusion of two Nameks managing to get close to SSj-level power just by training on Earth for a few years. And while Piccolo and Kami is a special case beyond normal Namekian fusion, it still shows that every time a Namek fuses with another one their potential power also goes way up, not just their current power.

Piccolo+Nail instantly jumped into the 1 million range after fusing. After a few years of training (three that really mattered I'm guessing, since that was when he was training hard for the Androids and had Goku and Gohan to train with) he managed to get within the Super Saiyan power range; still behind the actual Super Saiyans, but not by all that much. Depending on how strong you figure #20 is, Piccolo may be strong enough to stomp Freeza at this point, or at least fight evenly with him even at his full power. And that's with only two Nameks.

And then Piccolo+Kami jumps from "barely SSj-level" to "even with #17" instantly, and then later manages to almost catch up with Vegeta and Trunks even though he only had one extra year-day of training while each of them got two. Again, technically only two Nameks (though, yeah, it really probably isn't quite that simple due to Kami/Piccolo weirdness) since Kami and Piccolo were one originally... basically, Nameless Namek + Nail can get this strong despite (sort of) being a fusion of only two Nameks.

We already know how strong two Nameks can get with training, so why wouldn't 50-100 Nameks (even if most of them aren't beyond 3000 or so) get a buttload stronger than Piccolo ever did?

[Saiga]

Piccolo becoming 50-100x stronger or even more in 3 years of training has always been ridiculous to me. As far as I know that's by far the greatest increase from training under normal conditions in the series.

[Maphisto86]

Huh . . . I too found the end of the Gast vs Freeza battle a bit anti-climatic. Still it makes perfect sense as he is apparently Jesus. As for the entire race fusing into one being it is plausible that Gast would have a much larger amount of power as the effects of the fusion causes the host's power to multiply several times. If this was not the case I doubt Piccolo + Nail would have been a match for form 2 Freeza. Still it is difficult for me to imagine he would take out Freeza in his true form so easily but we don't have a tried and true formula for this kind of thing as "power levels" are kind of vague and arbitrary after the Ginyu Force arc. I also find it strange that Gast cannot at least reproduce as Namekians are asexual beings. Not to mention he is a fusion of all the clans together so would he not have the potential of them all?