"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Cetra]

Well, they were the same guy. Literally.

I don't like it when people use the word "literally" wrong in a psychological perspective. They could be exact carbon copies and would still not literally be the same guy. It would necessitate in a situation of only one Zamasu existing and for example a "pseudo-entity" that is found out to be this Zamasu as well. Two guys, even perfectly identical to each other are not the same guy. My clone is not me. I have my own instance to perceive reality, he has his own instance to perceive reality, thus a "me" and a "him" can exist in the first place. We are our own people, therefore literally not the same but because of identical - or in this case of Zamasu nearly identical information - "metaphorically" the same.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Just spotted a huge plot hole in the manga. Why didn't Goku and Vegeta just fuse to fight Beerus? In the Hit fight we see that the gap between SSBlue Vegeta (10%) and SSJ Goku is negligible, so given that SSGod is at best 10x stronger than SSJ, SSJ3 Vegetto should be far stronger than SSGod Goku, he may even be able to beat Beerus.

[emperior]

Just spotted a huge plot hole in the manga. Why didn't Goku and Vegeta just fuse to fight Beerus? In the Hit fight we see that the gap between SSBlue Vegeta (10%) and SSJ Goku is negligible, so given that SSGod is at best 10x stronger than SSJ, SSJ3 Vegetto should be far stronger than SSGod Goku, he may even be able to beat Beerus.

Wow that Hit fight truly fucked up everything.
To be honest the anime handled it better. If Toriyama really wanted Goku to be 10 times stronger than Vegeta in that occasion.
And the SSJ Blue Kaioken is one of the highlights of Super in my opinion.
I still think Hit fights could have been handled much better. In the anime Hit should have commented Goku's KK dropped to 2x after the Kamehameha (which Hit dodged thanks to his ability)

[TheUltimateNinja]

Just spotted a huge plot hole in the manga. Why didn't Goku and Vegeta just fuse to fight Beerus? In the Hit fight we see that the gap between SSBlue Vegeta (10%) and SSJ Goku is negligible, so given that SSGod is at best 10x stronger than SSJ, SSJ3 Vegetto should be far stronger than SSGod Goku, he may even be able to beat Beerus.

Wow that Hit fight truly fucked up everything.
To be honest the anime handled it better. If Toriyama really wanted Goku to be 10 times stronger than Vegeta in that occasion.
And the SSJ Blue Kaioken is one of the highlights of Super in my opinion.
I still think Hit fights could have been handled much better. In the anime Hit should have commented Goku's KK dropped to 2x after the Kamehameha (which Hit dodged thanks to his ability)

Goku's Kaioken clearly dropped, though. When he went x10 his whole body and even the surroundings went red, but after the fired that Kamehameha off it dropped to the normal aura he had when he first activated Kaioken.

[OLKv3]

Just spotted a huge plot hole in the manga. Why didn't Goku and Vegeta just fuse to fight Beerus? In the Hit fight we see that the gap between SSBlue Vegeta (10%) and SSJ Goku is negligible, so given that SSGod is at best 10x stronger than SSJ, SSJ3 Vegetto should be far stronger than SSGod Goku, he may even be able to beat Beerus.

Because it wasn't enough, just that simple. Don't know why you guys always use set multipliers with this series when they never follow them

[TheUltimateNinja]

Just spotted a huge plot hole in the manga. Why didn't Goku and Vegeta just fuse to fight Beerus? In the Hit fight we see that the gap between SSBlue Vegeta (10%) and SSJ Goku is negligible, so given that SSGod is at best 10x stronger than SSJ, SSJ3 Vegetto should be far stronger than SSGod Goku, he may even be able to beat Beerus.

Because it wasn't enough, just that simple. Don't know why you guys always use set multipliers with this series when they never follow them

SSJ3 Vegetto would definitely be more than 10x SSJ Goku. Even if he was literally Goku + Vegeta with no multiplier, he'd still be 16x SSJ Goku.

[OLKv3]

Just spotted a huge plot hole in the manga. Why didn't Goku and Vegeta just fuse to fight Beerus? In the Hit fight we see that the gap between SSBlue Vegeta (10%) and SSJ Goku is negligible, so given that SSGod is at best 10x stronger than SSJ, SSJ3 Vegetto should be far stronger than SSGod Goku, he may even be able to beat Beerus.

Because it wasn't enough, just that simple. Don't know why you guys always use set multipliers with this series when they never follow them

SSJ3 Vegetto would definitely be more than 10x SSJ Goku. Even if he was literally Goku + Vegeta with no multiplier, he'd still be 16x SSJ Goku.

Nothing says the gap between SSB Vegeta and SSJ Goku is neglible. Goku was losing his fight with Hit and only keeping up due to understanding how Time Skip works. Hit was toying with him because he was interested in Goku's ability. Goku didn't surpass Vegeta's weakened SSB until he went SSG

We don't know what Vegetto's multiplier is, and we don't know what his boost is. In DB you can be merely double someone's power to completely stomp them, like Buutenks did with Gohan

[TheUltimateNinja]

Because it wasn't enough, just that simple. Don't know why you guys always use set multipliers with this series when they never follow them

SSJ3 Vegetto would definitely be more than 10x SSJ Goku. Even if he was literally Goku + Vegeta with no multiplier, he'd still be 16x SSJ Goku.

Nothing says the gap between SSB Vegeta and SSJ Goku is neglible. Goku was losing his fight with Hit and only keeping up due to understanding how Time Skip works. Hit was toying with him because he was interested in Goku's ability. Goku didn't surpass Vegeta's weakened SSB until he went SSG

We don't know what Vegetto's multiplier is, and we don't know what his boost is. In DB you can be merely double someone's power to completely stomp them, like Buutenks did with Gohan

Actually, in the manga SSJ Goku was actually stronger than Hit. Beerus said that if Hit didn't have the timeskip he'd lose to Goku.

[Chelentano]

Hey can someone tell me what the title of Dragon Ball Super Volume 2 is.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

It's the red writing near the top. I was wondering what this volume was actually called.

優勝宇宙、ついに決定！！
Yūshō Uchū, Tsui ni Kettei!!
The Winning Universe is Decided at Last!!

[OLKv3]

SSJ3 Vegetto would definitely be more than 10x SSJ Goku. Even if he was literally Goku + Vegeta with no multiplier, he'd still be 16x SSJ Goku.

Nothing says the gap between SSB Vegeta and SSJ Goku is neglible. Goku was losing his fight with Hit and only keeping up due to understanding how Time Skip works. Hit was toying with him because he was interested in Goku's ability. Goku didn't surpass Vegeta's weakened SSB until he went SSG

We don't know what Vegetto's multiplier is, and we don't know what his boost is. In DB you can be merely double someone's power to completely stomp them, like Buutenks did with Gohan

Actually, in the manga SSJ Goku was actually stronger than Hit. Beerus said that if Hit didn't have the timeskip he'd lose to Goku.

That was a mistranslation from mangastream. Viz translation just has Beerus complaining about Goku not using his full power.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Nothing says the gap between SSB Vegeta and SSJ Goku is neglible. Goku was losing his fight with Hit and only keeping up due to understanding how Time Skip works. Hit was toying with him because he was interested in Goku's ability. Goku didn't surpass Vegeta's weakened SSB until he went SSG

We don't know what Vegetto's multiplier is, and we don't know what his boost is. In DB you can be merely double someone's power to completely stomp them, like Buutenks did with Gohan

Actually, in the manga SSJ Goku was actually stronger than Hit. Beerus said that if Hit didn't have the timeskip he'd lose to Goku.

That was a mistranslation from mangastream. Viz translation just has Beerus complaining about Goku not using his full power.

No, Beerus says pretty much the same thing in the Viz translation. He says Goku's power is supposed to be higher than Hit's and the timeskip is cheating, which means SSJ Goku > Hit.

[OLKv3]

Actually, in the manga SSJ Goku was actually stronger than Hit. Beerus said that if Hit didn't have the timeskip he'd lose to Goku.

That was a mistranslation from mangastream. Viz translation just has Beerus complaining about Goku not using his full power.

No, Beerus says pretty much the same thing in the Viz translation. He says Goku's power is supposed to be higher than Hit's and the timeskip is cheating, which means SSJ Goku > Hit.

No he doesn't. I just read it. He says Goku's power is supposed to be stronger, saying that Goku isn't using his full power. It's nothing like the mangastream version specifically saying Goku is stronger powerlevel wise. Face it, nothing says Goku's SSJ is stronger than Vegeta's SSB. Nothing surpasses Vegeta's SSB until SSG, where Whis matter of factly says SSG has now surpassed Vegeta's weakened Blue, which shocks Hit

Furthermore, Time Skip isn't effective on people stronger than Hit. If SSJ Goku was stronger, then Time Skip wouldn't be working properly and Goku wouldn't have to predict any of his moves.

[TheUltimateNinja]

That was a mistranslation from mangastream. Viz translation just has Beerus complaining about Goku not using his full power.

No, Beerus says pretty much the same thing in the Viz translation. He says Goku's power is supposed to be higher than Hit's and the timeskip is cheating, which means SSJ Goku > Hit.

No he doesn't. I just read it. He says Goku's power is supposed to be stronger, saying that Goku isn't using his full power. It's nothing like the mangastream version specifically saying Goku is stronger powerlevel wise. Face it, nothing says Goku's SSJ is stronger than Vegeta's SSB. Nothing surpasses Vegeta's SSB until SSG, where Whis matter of factly says SSG has now surpassed Vegeta's weakened Blue, which shocks Hit

Furthermore, Time Skip isn't effective on people stronger than Hit. If SSJ Goku was stronger, then Time Skip wouldn't be working properly and Goku wouldn't have to predict any of his moves.

I also just read it and he doesn't just say Goku's power is supposed to be stronger, he says "Goku's power is supposed to be stronger than his." Also, according to Whis just being slightly stronger isn't enough to break the timeskip, one has to be far above Hit like SSGod Goku to do it.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

We should have leaks anytime now...

for chapter 20?

Yep, around the middle of every month is when we get the new chapter leaks. It's only a matter of time, now.

[MyNiggaGoku]

We should have leaks anytime now...

for chapter 20?

I can't wait.Really interested in seeing how the rest of the F.Trunks arc will play out.

[The gr]

I can't wait for the next chapter to see the fandom complaining a lot

[OLKv3]

I can't wait for the next chapter to see the fandom complaining a lot

"This sucks because it's not exactly like the anime" or "This sucks because it's too similar to the anime" and let's not forget the most popular "People act like this non canon crap is so good it's just an adaptation"

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I can't wait for the next chapter to see the fandom complaining a lot

"This sucks because it's not exactly like the anime" or "This sucks because it's too similar to the anime" and let's not forget the most popular "People act like this non canon crap is so good it's just an adaptation"

To be fair, this chapter probably won't be very good, Not unless Toyotaro stretches this arc out to February, which would be bizarre.

[MyNiggaGoku]

I can't wait for the next chapter to see the fandom complaining a lot

"This sucks because it's not exactly like the anime" or "This sucks because it's too similar to the anime" and let's not forget the most popular "People act like this non canon crap is so good it's just an adaptation"

To be fair, this chapter probably won't be very good, Not unless Toyotaro stretches this arc out to February, which would be bizarre.

I actually think that Toyotaro will take his time with the rest of the arc.Probably 2 more chapters before wrapping it up.This chapter will probably have Black and Zamas teaming up against the gang,Rose,and maybe Merged Zamas in the end.

[The gr]

I can't wait for the next chapter to see the fandom complaining a lot

"This sucks because it's not exactly like the anime" or "This sucks because it's too similar to the anime" and let's not forget the most popular "People act like this non canon crap is so good it's just an adaptation"

To be fair, this chapter probably won't be very good, Not unless Toyotaro stretches this arc out to February, which would be bizarre.

Maybe in March the universe survival arc will start and in January and February chapters is going to be the finale with 40 pages each but at the end of the day the anime ft arc ≥ manga ft arc but I'm looking forward to see his universe survival arc and I'm hoping he do 2 chapter per month