The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[TheMightyOzaru]

Did you read the rest of his post? It's what I've been saying all along, and you haven't addressed it. What stops Buu from simply annihilating a regenerating Cell? Or just beating him to death after Cell exhausts himself?

I have addressed all these, except beating Cell, it's you who seems to be ignoring portions of my posts. As far as Cell getting beat to death, I really don't think that would work unless he exhausted extensive portions of his energy.

I don't know how you think Cell is gonna get a zenkai. A blast that takes off a limb just makes him weaker; a blast that engulfs his whole body kills him.

Do you think self destruction doesn't engulf his entire body or something?

[Kakashi]

SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta vs Good Boo

By Good Boo, you mean the one that got absorbed by Pure Evil Boo or the one that was expelled from Pure Boo (Mr. Boo)? Because Mr. Boo is stronger than Good Boo IMO. I believe that the reason Evil Boo reverted to Pure Boo and not Pure Evil Boo is because the Kaioshin influence from Pure Evil Boo was passed to Good Boo, increasing his power. So, when Mr. Boo was removed, Pure Boo didn't have any Kaioshin influence in him.

But either way, Vegeta wins. Mr. Boo doesn't seem to be fighting much better than SS2 Vegeta against Pure Boo, and he seems to only lasted longer because of his stamina & regeneration. After some time, Mr. Boo got in the same position that Vegeta was.

That makes no sense. Pure Boo expelled the same Boo who Pure Evil Boo beat

Good Boo is at least equal to SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta going by feats

[TheMightyOzaru]

What feats? He got schooled by both Pure Buu and Pure Evil Buu, both of which are much stronger than Vegeta.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Buu actually got some hits in on Buu, who looked annoyed and angry. We know that you can't do that when you're that much weaker than someone. By contrast, Buu was laughing while beating up Vegeta. Buu's performance seemed closer to Goku's then Vegeta's, as they both landed a few hits on Buu before losing the advantage and getting toyed with. Only difference is that Vegeta bailed out Goku before Buu could get to the REAL beating, while Buu had no one to bail him out.

Even without factoring in power, Buu is simply too skilled and resilient for Vegeta.

Mr. Boo only got one good hit that annoyed Boo. They almost fought evenly in the beginning (mostly because of Mr. Boo's body structure & abilities), but after a while, it turned into Pure Boo kicking Mr. Boo's ass.

What exactly is Vegeta going to do to Buu though? If Buu could take hits from Pure Buu, then he should be able to shrug off anything Vegeta (who is at most 25% of Pure Buu's strength,) could throw at him. Vegeta just doesn't have a way of overcoming Buu's regeneration, and Buu could just turn him into a cookie or something.

It's going to be a tough fight for Vegeta, but I think that he should be able to wipe out Boo with a Final Flash in the end.

That makes no sense. Pure Boo expelled the same Boo who Pure Evil Boo beat

And? What prevents Mr. Boo from getting stronger? The Kaioshin power in Pure Evil Boo went somewhere else, since Evil Boo reverted to Pure Boo, and the only place it could have gone is back to Good Boo. He is the same Boo, but stronger.

[RandomGuy96]

Do you think self destruction doesn't engulf his entire body or something?

Self-destruction is entirely different than being hit by a ki blast. The one time we saw him engulfed by a ki blast equal to him, he died. Every other time there was a risk of a ki blast engulfing him, he treated it like a huge danger that'd instantly kill him. Cell isn't going to get a zenkai from this fight, as he never has in any fight (just by blowing himself up) and Buu won't let him.

Mr. Boo only got one good hit that annoyed Boo. They almost fought evenly in the beginning (mostly because of Mr. Boo's body structure & abilities), but after a while, it turned into Pure Boo kicking Mr. Boo's ass.

If Mr. Buu was 4 times weaker, as you're suggesting, the hits wouldn't actually have done anything. And he got in three hits, not one. Pure Buu looked surprised/annoyed after each one. He also took several of Pure Buu's hits without regeneration and kept going. Going purely by the fight, he seemed much closer to Goku than he did to Vegeta.

Remember, the same thing would've likely happened with Goku if their fight had continued.

[Kamiccolo9]

Did you read the rest of his post? It's what I've been saying all along, and you haven't addressed it. What stops Buu from simply annihilating a regenerating Cell? Or just beating him to death after Cell exhausts himself?

I have addressed all these, except beating Cell, it's you who seems to be ignoring portions of my posts. As far as Cell getting beat to death, I really don't think that would work unless he exhausted extensive portions of his energy.

What exactly have I ignored?

Cell can't beat Buu if they are at equal powers. He has no way of countering Buu's regeneration, and Buu doesn't lose stamina. Cell is going to tire himself out. Remember, he got exhausted fighting Goku. Buu isn't going to let up, and he's not going to get any weaker.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Do you think self destruction doesn't engulf his entire body or something?

Self-destruction is entirely different than being hit by a ki blast. The one time we saw him engulfed by a ki blast equal to him, he died. Every other time there was a risk of a ki blast engulfing him, he treated it like a huge danger that'd instantly kill him.

It was also an attack that was stronger than him as opposed to an attack equal to his own power.

What exactly have I ignored?

Go back and read my posts to find out.

Cell can't beat Buu if they are at equal powers. He has no way of countering Buu's regeneration, and Buu doesn't lose stamina. Cell is going to tire himself out. Remember, he got exhausted fighting Goku. Buu isn't going to let up, and he's not going to get any weaker.

If he gets a Zenkai he can beat him. Cell is also smarter than Buu, he might think to send Buu into the Sun.

[khalildh]

If Cell tried to escape with IT, Buu would instantly learn IT and teleport to Cell. Not to mention, Super Buu wouldn't give Cell a chance. He just pummels people. When he does use a blast, its aleays a big one that completely engulfs the target.

It's very hard for Buu to lose this. Fat Buu would have the biggest chance at losing, since unlike Super Buu he's dumber than Cell and likes to fool around. So does Pure Buu actually, but he's at least more savage than fatso.

[khalildh]

If Cell tried to escape with IT, Buu would instantly learn IT and teleport to Cell. Not to mention, Super Buu wouldn't give Cell a chance. He just pummels people. When he does use a blast, its aleays a big one that completely engulfs the target.

It's very hard for Buu to lose this. Fat Buu would have the biggest chance at losing, since unlike Super Buu he's dumber than Cell and likes to fool around. So does Pure Buu actually, but he's at least more savage than fatso.

[RandomGuy96]

The same thing would've happened if the blast was equal to him. See kaio-ken x20 vs Freeza; Freeza would've died or at the very least have been heavily injured (but solid) if he hadn't blocked it.

Again, how do you even think Cell is going to get a zenkai? In what circumstance is this going to happen? Getting engulfed by a blast won't do it, we've seen that before- it just kills him. Or at best it will heavily injure him without blowing him apart, leaving Buu to beat him to death. A blown off limb makes him weaker. He can't regenerate from blunt force trauma.

And Cell being smarter than Buu? Pure Buu... sure. Fat Buu? Probably. Super Buu? Hell no. Cell's an overconfident idiot.

[Kakashi]

Buu actually got some hits in on Buu, who looked annoyed and angry. We know that you can't do that when you're that much weaker than someone. By contrast, Buu was laughing while beating up Vegeta. Buu's performance seemed closer to Goku's then Vegeta's, as they both landed a few hits on Buu before losing the advantage and getting toyed with. Only difference is that Vegeta bailed out Goku before Buu could get to the REAL beating, while Buu had no one to bail him out.

Even without factoring in power, Buu is simply too skilled and resilient for Vegeta.

Mr. Boo only got one good hit that annoyed Boo. They almost fought evenly in the beginning (mostly because of Mr. Boo's body structure & abilities), but after a while, it turned into Pure Boo kicking Mr. Boo's ass.

What exactly is Vegeta going to do to Buu though? If Buu could take hits from Pure Buu, then he should be able to shrug off anything Vegeta (who is at most 25% of Pure Buu's strength,) could throw at him. Vegeta just doesn't have a way of overcoming Buu's regeneration, and Buu could just turn him into a cookie or something.

It's going to be a tough fight for Vegeta, but I think that he should be able to wipe out Boo with a Final Flash in the end.

That makes no sense. Pure Boo expelled the same Boo who Pure Evil Boo beat

And? What prevents Mr. Boo from getting stronger? The Kaioshin power in Pure Evil Boo went somewhere else, since Evil Boo reverted to Pure Boo, and the only place it could have gone is back to Good Boo. He is the same Boo, but stronger.

Pure Evil Boo doesn't have Kaioshin's power. Evil Boo went Pure Boo because Good Boo who has all the influence of Kaioshin was removed. You are making assumptions. By that logic Good Boo would be equal to Fat Boo which is wrong. You are making assumptions

[TheMightyOzaru]

The same thing would've happened if the blast was equal to him. See kaio-ken x20 vs Freeza; Freeza would've died or at the very least have been heavily injured (but solid) if he hadn't blocked it.

How didn't really block it though, he caught it with one hand =/. Honestly Kaioken x20 vs Freeza really only supports my point. If Buu is say equal to him and hit him with an Omnidirectional Ki blast, he might be reduced to one cell, and might get a Zenkai.

And Cell being smarter than Buu? Pure Buu... sure. Fat Buu? Probably. Super Buu? Hell no. Cell's an overconfident idiot.

I still find this funny. Super Buu is a moron who can't even talk in complete sentences. His letting Gohan get stronger was the only "stupid" thing he had ever done, and even then that was the Saiyan DNA wanting a challenge. It's also not inherently stupid to assume he's stronger than an angry Gohan.

[rereboy]

Cell himself admitted that the chances of his nucleus surviving an explosion that destroys his body (like his self-destruction) are slim to none. And even in the off chance of that happening, his regeneration takes a little time, which means that Buu would just have to finish the job at that point.

[RandomGuy96]

The same thing would've happened if the blast was equal to him. See kaio-ken x20 vs Freeza; Freeza would've died or at the very least have been heavily injured (but solid) if he hadn't blocked it.

How didn't really block it though, he caught it with one hand =/. Honestly Kaioken x20 vs Freeza really only supports my point. If Buu is say equal to him and hit him with an Omnidirectional Ki blast, he might be reduced to one cell, and might get a Zenkai.

That is almost the definition of 'block'; he stopped the blast with his hand.

Except that's never happened, ever. Cell himself said it as a miracle he even survived the self-destruct. The only time a blast ever engulfed him, he died. And Buu is unlikely to blast him, he's more likely to just beat him to death.

I still find this funny. Super Buu is a moron who can't even talk in complete sentences. His letting Gohan get stronger was the only "stupid" thing he had ever done, and even then that was the Saiyan DNA wanting a challenge. It's also not inherently stupid to assume he's stronger than an angry Gohan.

Eloquence and intelligence aren't the same thing. Super Buu was a cunning no non-sense 'better safe than sorry' type. He duped Gohan/Piccolo/Gotenks, won two fights with strategy rather than brute force, and went out of his way to eliminate all threats, even when he was sure they wouldn't be able to beat him, just because he was cautious (basically, the exact opposite of Cell). Cell was a "fuck you guys I'm so awesome here let me help you kill me" type.

No, it's far from the only stupid thing he's done. HE also:

- Fell for the exact same trick that he just pulled on Vegeta and Trunks in the same day.

- Engaged Gohan in a Kamehameha duel instead of just killing him while he was down.

- Did not blow up the Earth from space.

- Did not further abusing his self-destruct ability. Doing it again would've guaranteed victory.

- Did not take a page from Goku's book and use the Instant Kamehameha.

- Did not finish off Vegeta, and just assumed that everyone would sit there and do nothing.

- Did not kill the others (base Vegeta distracted him, meaning probably anyone could've done it).

Etc.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Cell himself admitted that the chances of his nucleus surviving an explosion that destroys his body (like his self-destruction) are slim to none. And even in the off chance of that happening, his regeneration takes a little time, which means that Buu would just have to finish the job at that point.

If Cell has received a Zenkai, it won't be terribly easy for Buu to kill him in the regenerating process. While the chances are slim to none, if he got a Zenkai, he would win.

[Kamiccolo9]

What exactly have I ignored?

Go back and read my posts to find out.

Cell can't beat Buu if they are at equal powers. He has no way of countering Buu's regeneration, and Buu doesn't lose stamina. Cell is going to tire himself out. Remember, he got exhausted fighting Goku. Buu isn't going to let up, and he's not going to get any weaker.

If he gets a Zenkai he can beat him. Cell is also smarter than Buu, he might think to send Buu into the Sun.

I have. I'm not seeing it.

Again, realistically, he's not going to be getting a zenkai. Buu will either beat him to death, or blow him to bits. Assuming he does regenerate, he can't do anything while regenerating, allowing Buu to just blast him again.

How is Cell sending him into the sun? Aside from the movies, when has a Kamehameha ever done that to anyone? It's much more likely that it would either blow Buu to pieces, or blow a hole through him, like the Final Flash did to Cell. Both of which Buu laughs at.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The same thing would've happened if the blast was equal to him. See kaio-ken x20 vs Freeza; Freeza would've died or at the very least have been heavily injured (but solid) if he hadn't blocked it.

How didn't really block it though, he caught it with one hand =/. Honestly Kaioken x20 vs Freeza really only supports my point. If Buu is say equal to him and hit him with an Omnidirectional Ki blast, he might be reduced to one cell, and might get a Zenkai.

That is almost the definition of 'block'; he stopped the blast with his hand.

Except that's never happened, ever. Cell himself said it as a miracle he even survived the self-destruct. The only time a blast ever engulfed him, he died. And Buu is unlikely to blast him, he's more likely to just beat him to death.

Except that's not true, his self destruction engulfed him completely and yet he lived. I doubt Freeza would have been killed when the Genki Dama didn't kill him.

[AGentlemanSaiyan]

Yeah,in a Buu vs Cell fight...Buu would win just for his regeneration and no loss of stamina. He could also absorb Cell(if he wanted too), by doing the same "trick" he did on Vegito. Though that's only for Super Buu, If it was Fat Buu,Cell could just make him mad, make Buu do a very large blast,then go behind him charge a Kamehameha and kill him while Buu is rejoicing at the thought of defeating Cell.
As for Pure Buu,Cell would get owned.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I have. I'm not seeing it.

Seriously?:

He grew back fairly quickly. He would also have the zenkai so who's to say Buu could even dispose of it.

As far as Cell getting beat to death, I really don't think that would work unless he exhausted extensive portions of his energy.

Your points have been addressed in previous posts.

.How is Cell sending him into the sun? Aside from the movies, when has a Kamehameha ever done that to anyone? It's much more likely that it would either blow Buu to pieces, or blow a hole through him, like the Final Flash did to Cell. Both of which Buu laughs at.

Simply put enough energy in the Kamehameha to push Buu as opposed to putting a hole in him. Are we disregarding the films? I don't see a reason for doing so. If we are disregarding Zenkais and movie feats, yes Buu wins.

[rereboy]

Cell himself admitted that the chances of his nucleus surviving an explosion that destroys his body (like his self-destruction) are slim to none. And even in the off chance of that happening, his regeneration takes a little time, which means that Buu would just have to finish the job at that point.

If Cell has received a Zenkai, it won't be terribly easy for Buu to kill him in the regenerating process. While the chances are slim to none, if he got a Zenkai, he would win.

I think that Cell would be terribly vulnerable until he fully regenerates. After all, he's pretty much just a lump of flesh contracting for most of the process of regenerating, he probably doesn't even regain conscience until he's practically all regenerated, which would invalidate conscious use of Ki. Buu, on the other hand, defies logic, and he seems perfectly conscious even if he is just goo.

The chances of Cell winning this depend on an incredible amount of luck (the nucleus surviving) and on Buu's stupidity (letting Cell recuperate). Also, your argument was not "I believe that Cell could have a small chance to win this" but "I believe that Cell would win this" as in the most likely scenario.