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Kamiccolo9
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by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:15 pm
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Kamiccolo9 wrote:I have. I'm not seeing it.
Seriously?:
He grew back fairly quickly. He would also have the zenkai so who's to say Buu could even dispose of it.
As far as Cell getting beat to death, I really don't think that would work unless he exhausted extensive portions of his energy.
Your points have been addressed in previous posts.
If by "fairly quickly" you mean "long enough for Gohan and co. to have a short conversation and for Goku, Kaio, and Bubbles to travel down some of Snake Way" then yeah. It was fairly quickly. Like, about a couple of minutes quickly.
I've already talked about Cell exhausting himself. If they are equal in power, and Buu doesn't lose stamina, then of course Cell is gonna get tired. Especially if Buu just keeps hitting him and blowing him up. Of course, Cell could do the same to Buu, but Buu doesn't care.
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by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:16 pm
rereboy wrote:TheMightyOzaru wrote:rereboy wrote:Cell himself admitted that the chances of his nucleus surviving an explosion that destroys his body (like his self-destruction) are slim to none. And even in the off chance of that happening, his regeneration takes a little time, which means that Buu would just have to finish the job at that point.
If Cell has received a Zenkai, it won't be terribly easy for Buu to kill him in the regenerating process. While the chances are slim to none, if he got a Zenkai, he would win.
I think that Cell would be terribly vulnerable until he fully regenerates. After all, he's pretty much just a lump of flesh contracting for most of the process of regenerating, he probably doesn't even regain conscience until he's practically all regenerated, which would invalidate conscious use of Ki. Buu, on the other hand, defies logic, and he seems perfectly conscious even if he is just goo.
The chances of Cell winning this depend on an incredible amount of luck (the nucleus surviving) and on Buu's stupidity (letting Cell recuperate). Also, your argument was not "I believe that Cell could have a small chance to win this" but "I believe that Cell would win this" as in the most likely scenario.
If it makes you guys happy, I'll just change my answer to Cell would win IF he got a Zenkai.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:TheMightyOzaru wrote:Kamiccolo9 wrote:I have. I'm not seeing it.
Seriously?:
He grew back fairly quickly. He would also have the zenkai so who's to say Buu could even dispose of it.
As far as Cell getting beat to death, I really don't think that would work unless he exhausted extensive portions of his energy.
Your points have been addressed in previous posts.
If by "fairly quickly" you mean "long enough for Gohan and co. to have a short conversation and for Goku, Kaio, and Bubbles to travel down some of Snake Way" then yeah. It was fairly quickly. Like, about a couple of minutes quickly.
I've already talked about Cell exhausting himself. If they are equal in power, and Buu doesn't lose stamina, then of course Cell is gonna get tired. Especially if Buu just keeps hitting him and blowing him up. Of course, Cell could do the same to Buu, but Buu doesn't care.
The cell was sitting there for an amount of time. the regenerating process didn't take a ton of time. You are also assuming Buu would actually attack it. He would ACTUALLY most likely let Cell regenerate because he enjoys toying with people. He doesn't know about the potential possibility of a Zenkai.
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by TheGmGoken » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:18 pm
Still think he would lose. Especially if its Super Boo. The zenkai at best would put him slightly above Ssj3
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by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:26 pm
Super Buu wins this. Super Buu is above SSJ3 Goku and that alone would give him enough to whoop Cell.
Cell could self destruct, but the weaker Fat Buu took a self destruct from Majin Vegeta who was stronger than Cell Saga SSJ2 Gohan.
Super Buu has the durability to handle anything Cell can dish out and could copy any ability Cell has after seeing it.
Buu could also just absorb Cell and be done with it altogether.
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by rereboy » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:29 pm
TheMightyOzaru wrote:
If it makes you guys happy, I'll just change my answer to Cell would win IF he got a Zenkai.
With that, I obviously agree with, assuming that it was a very significant zenkai.
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by AGentlemanSaiyan » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:46 pm
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Super Buu wins this. Super Buu is above SSJ3 Goku and that alone would give him enough to whoop Cell.
Cell could self destruct, but the weaker Fat Buu took a self destruct from Majin Vegeta who was stronger than Cell Saga SSJ2 Gohan.
Super Buu has the durability to handle anything Cell can dish out and could copy any ability Cell has after seeing it.
Buu could also just absorb Cell and be done with it altogether.
Yep.
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by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:04 pm
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Super Buu wins this. Super Buu is above SSJ3 Goku and that alone would give him enough to whoop Cell.
Cell could self destruct, but the weaker Fat Buu took a self destruct from Majin Vegeta who was stronger than Cell Saga SSJ2 Gohan.
Super Buu has the durability to handle anything Cell can dish out and could copy any ability Cell has after seeing it.
Buu could also just absorb Cell and be done with it altogether.
I take it you didn't read the original post? The fight was between Cell and Buu who have equal powers. Magic and absorption was not allowed.
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by khalildh » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:09 pm
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Super Buu wins this. Super Buu is above SSJ3 Goku and that alone would give him enough to whoop Cell.
Cell could self destruct, but the weaker Fat Buu took a self destruct from Majin Vegeta who was stronger than Cell Saga SSJ2 Gohan.
Super Buu has the durability to handle anything Cell can dish out and could copy any ability Cell has after seeing it.
Buu could also just absorb Cell and be done with it altogether.
I said if they were equal power levels in the beginning of the question. Which form of Boo means nothing if they are equal powers. If in your example Super Boo is above SSJ3 than Cell would be also.
Assuming Cell's Zenkai is equivalent to going from SSJ1 to SSJ2, that would put Cell stronger than the gap between Super Boo and Chou Gohan.
Super Boo = 1
Cell = 1
SSJ3 Gotenks = 1
Bootenks = 2
Chou han ~ 1.5
Cell with Zenkai = 2
No matter how you look at it Cell with a Zenkai would stomp any Boo except maybe Pure Boo, depending on if you believe you need a universal attack to kill him or not.
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by AGentlemanSaiyan » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:26 pm
TheMightyOzaru wrote: The fight was between Cell and Buu who have equal powers. Magic and absorption was not allowed.
No absorption or magic? I'd say this fight could go either way then.
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by Kid Buu » Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:17 am
Yamcha, Tenshinan, & Kuririn Vs. Kami at the 23rd Budokai in a handicap match.
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by TheGmGoken » Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:02 pm
Honestly hate these "Equal power" fights. Usally come down to "Magic" or Zenkai
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by AGentlemanSaiyan » Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:30 pm
Bills(Beers) vs Omega Shenron or Syn Shenron
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:38 pm
AGentlemanSaiyan wrote:Bills(Beers) vs Omega Shenron or Syn Shenron
Beers stomps. I believe that he is stronger than SS4 Gogeta.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:44 pm
AGentlemanSaiyan wrote:Bills(Beers) vs Omega Shenron or Syn Shenron
It's been done to death already but Omega would win. His feats are greater than Birsu
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by RandomGuy96 » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:53 pm
AGentlemanSaiyan wrote:Bills(Beers) vs Omega Shenron or Syn Shenron
Syn stomps.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:02 pm
AGentlemanSaiyan wrote:Bills(Beers) vs Omega Shenron or Syn Shenron
Beerus beats Yi Xing Long, but loses to Super Yi Xing Long.
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by Kakashi » Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:05 pm
Birusu is nowhere near GT characters. Baby Arc Base Goku would beat Birusu IMO.
Ultimate Gohan vs SSjin 4 Goku (Boo Arc)
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by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:10 pm
Kakashi wrote:Birusu is nowhere near GT characters. Baby Arc Base Goku would beat Birusu IMO.
Vegetto is stated to be perhaps stronger than SSJ4 Goku from the Bebi arc. Beerus is stated to be stronger than Vegetto. Your opinion is in direct conflict with the GT Perfect Files as well as the Battle of Gods supplements.
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by Kakashi » Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:21 pm
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Kakashi wrote:Birusu is nowhere near GT characters. Baby Arc Base Goku would beat Birusu IMO.
Vegetto is stated to be perhaps stronger than SSJ4 Goku from the Bebi arc. Beerus is stated to be stronger than Vegetto. Your opinion is in direct conflict with the GT Perfect Files as well as the Battle of Gods supplements.
Baby was the strongest meaning stronger than SSjin Vegetto and what the GT Perfect Files say is wrong
The GT Perfect Files also imply GT Base Gohan > Ultimate Gohan and GT Base Goku beat GT SSjin Gohan
BOG just says Birusu is the strongest in Z so he is > SSjin Vegetto
