Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think we should wait for more info about the plot. There could be a plot-reason for choosing Goku, like, for example, maybe Goku took the fight with Bills more personal than the others.

Gohan is equally skilled as Goku.

Just compare the amount of their techniques. Don't worry, you don't have to count.

It had to be Goku, he's a genius fighter and the one used to having various transformations and energy control, learning their essence and perceiving how to use them right. He's a natural with learning about new forms/states/grades.
He mastered the Kaioken to the point of being able to multiply it by 20, knows how to master energy coming from a whole planet, learned to master ki to instantly teleport to another side of the universe (and was able to combine it with other Ki-mastering special moves), had the idea of Fully-Mastered Super Saiyan and got used to it, was the one to unveil the Super Saiyan 3 form, knows what it's like to have an unnatural super-powered body through fusion...
And for those of you who consider the movies canon: unlocked an extra transformation in-between base and Super Saiyan, learned how to further master the energy of a whole planet to integrate it to him, knows what it's like to have a time limit thanks to the dance fusion, knows how to turn energy into a deadly golden dragon that vaporizes a giant opponent...

The guy is a genius having natural understanding of new powers and how to master them to serve you beyond their normal range.
If it wasn't for him, all others would have probably run out of God power too, but they potentially wouldn't have been able to understand how it works and how to tap into the form's remnant power.
Son Goku was the perfect choice to undergo and understand a new form of power.

This post is badass.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I guess it depends on how you look at Super Saiyan God. I don't really think it's something like the other characters putting their power into the one who will become Super Saiyan God, I think it's just that their pure hearts are needed to unlock the form for Goku. So a stronger character would have a stronger Super Saiyan God form.

Still though, half breeds are still questionable. Goku was the best bet since A he is a fighting genius and B he is a pure blood.

[Retan]

Hmmm I guess the question becomes does SSJG become stronger with a stronger character, or maybe even base, or does it not matter?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Would you care to explain in great detail what exactly you meant by "power levels" then?

Battle power is the level of ki of a person. It can be either measured through scouters (with the common measuring numbers we all know), magical devices (measured with kiri), or by the ki sensing ability Goku & co. have.

[Saiga]

How does number of techniques correlate with skill? Gotenks sure as hell isn't the most skilled fighter in the universe...

[AnimeMaakuo]

Remember, Toriyama is not writing the script for this movie. He may be involved, but it's Yūsuke Watanabe who is literally writing it. That gives plenty of fans plenty of reasons to disregard any statements or showcases of strength within the movie.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Remember, Toriyama is not writing the script for this movie. He may be involved, but it's Yūsuke Watanabe who is literally writing it. That gives plenty of fans plenty of reasons to disregard any statements or showcases of strength within the movie.

From what we know, we can't tell who is stronger between Goku, Gohan, and Gotenks. Everyone is literally many times weaker than Bills, except for the Super Saiyan God.

[Insertclevername]

Gohan is equally skilled as Goku.

Just compare the amount of their techniques. Don't worry, you don't have to count.

Yeah but can Gokuu whistle? I think not.

[dbzfan7]

Just compare the amount of their techniques. Don't worry, you don't have to count.

Goku himself said he had nothing left to teach Gohan. That should put him close to Goku in skill. Goku is just a smarter and more adaptable fighter.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Just compare the amount of their techniques. Don't worry, you don't have to count.

Goku himself said he had nothing left to teach Gohan. That should put him close to Goku in skill. Goku is just a smarter and more adaptable fighter.

Goku wasn't literal, obviously. He obviously didn't teach Gohan Kaio-ken, Genki Dama, or Shunkan Ido.

[Saiga]

Just compare the amount of their techniques. Don't worry, you don't have to count.

Goku himself said he had nothing left to teach Gohan. That should put him close to Goku in skill. Goku is just a smarter and more adaptable fighter.

Goku wasn't literal, obviously. He obviously didn't teach Gohan Kaio-ken, Genki Dama, or Shunkan Ido.

If anything that just means Goku was likely talking about skill.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The amount of techniques is a part of skills though.

[Saiga]

The amount of techniques is a part of skills though.

Not at all. The ability to learn and create techniques would be, but the simply quantity of them cannot accurately represent that.

Actually, wait, I think I misunderstood you. You mean it's part of their skillset as opposed to being part of their martial skill?

[Insertclevername]

Kaio-ken would be a waste of time since SSJ surpassed it.

Genki Dama is impractical and wouldn't be worth teaching. It was a miracle that it worked on Boo.

Shunkan Ido would take too long to teach.

[Makaioshin]

Remember, Toriyama is not writing the script for this movie. He may be involved, but it's Yūsuke Watanabe who is literally writing it. That gives plenty of fans plenty of reasons to disregard any statements or showcases of strength within the movie.

Sadly, at this point Toriyama contributing would give plenty of fans reasons to disregard showcases. Guy can't even remember Super Saiyan 2, Kaioshin's fusion, or that Vegeta didn't have a mustache in the manga's last chapters.

[dbzfan7]

The amount of techniques is a part of skills though.

Part of, not the most important thing. Kaio-Ken, Shunkan Ido, and the Genki-Dama are impractical for the most part. Kaioken is useless when Gohan has SSJ, Shunkan Ido takes time and focus to be used in battle (unless you count movie 6) and is mostly only useful for travel, and the Genki Dama leaves you wide open.

[goku the krump dancer]

Bils is leagues above everyone that has appeared before him this includes GotenksBoo and GohanBoo and maybe even Vegetto himself, so Unlocked Potential or not the result would be the same for Gohan (Ass Whooping).

Not so much the whooping that has me disappointed, rather the transformation of Super Saiyan and the apparent "quick fix" of Gohan's hair and aura being changed at the last minute. Granted, I've witnessed from this thread that its left up to debate/interpretation but IMO, when comparing the original trailer and that fight scene, the animators originally intended for him to be SSJ.

Not to mention, didn't someone mention SSJ Vegeta holds his own against Bills for quite some time?

In any case, I'll be watching the movie with plot twists etc in the back of my mind. My best friend is big on Naruto and now "hates" Dragonball and this is one more thing he can nitpick when we debate which is why I'm upset

EDIT: Seems like people are reading my post wrong. No where in my post did I state Gohan getting thrashed is a loophole. I mentioned the Gohan inconsistencies (i.e. Super Saiyan) can possible be a loophole.

Well the thing is, if your problem with the movie is a technical issue involving Gohan that still sort of follows the idea that Ultimate Gohan should put up a better fight than everyone else. At least thats the feeling I get from people when they say "the animators went into the project with SSJ Gohan in mind".To me that translates to "if they knew better they would have gone with Ultimate Gohan from the start of production and he would've put up a better fight than any else except SSJGod Goku". If any thing the only things that were on the producer's mind was God of Destruction and Super Saiyan God, Toriyama said so himself, so with that said Bils was going to flatten everyone with EASE anyway regardless of who was stronger than who in the Boo arc.

Now when it comes to Vegeta surpassing Goku, none of us accept Kei17 has seen the movie and he's done answering questions so don't bother, so we don't know how far that really goes, maybe its just temporary where Vegeta managed to take Bils by surprise but then again theirs early concept shots of Vegeta getting his ass handed to him seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONUQwO3Gz4 . Going by past events excluding the movies Vegeta is known to be able to take a beating.

Also I think its still way too early for any of us to debate stuff about a movie we've never seen lol, we only caught a glimpse of what 30 seconds of consistent footage? and the movie it self is 85 minutes long.

As it stands from what we know, not only does the movie not resolve the Goku vs Gohan debate it sorta adds more fuel to the fire .

Personally I'm more inclined to believe that 1.There are no real limits in DB, 2. Goku wasn't that far off from Gohan in the Boo arc and 3. It's speculated that its been between 2 to 5 years since Kid Boo's death,and we know Gohan doesn't train in peace time but Goku does so I'm gonna say he's stronger by this point and in the beginning of the movie he literally gets plucked by Bils and is defeated.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Still, Goku having a larger arsenal of techniques, and since he is a bigger fighting genius, and trains more than Gohan, plus what Cold Skin said, makes Goku a more skillful fighter than Gohan. Remember, at least 10 years passed between Cell Games & BoG.

[Marco Polo]

Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Goku. They should be giving the powerup to him to increase their chance of beating Beers.

But Gohan would still loose. Let's face it, Gohan is useless as a hero. The main villains he defeated are Cell, Bojack, and Broli, and in all cases he needed Goku's encouragement or he would be dead. He failed to defeat Cell & Boo when they were much weaker than him, and allowed both of them (accidentally) to power up & become equal (Cell) or stronger (Boo) than him.

So, let's just leave it to Goku.

That's an incredibly biased description. Goku needed Gohan's amazing power in many cases too, or he would have lost against Raditz, Vegeta, and Garlic Jr. Goku failed to defeat Dr. Gero and Fat Buu when they were much weaker than him for stupid reasons even if that put the fate of the world at stake.