Marco Polo wrote:Because the series never had old antagonists coming back stronger than before right?
Only if you took those examples blindly out of context... When people say something something says pretty fanfiction they are not talking so much about the quality of said work unless they specific good or bad fanfiction, but are generally talking about how the nature of those stories are pretty improbable and unlikely to ever appear in the actual series. This is hard to avoid because a popular series like Dragon ball will have hundreds upon hundreds of new fanfiction every year until your bound to find something that's "Been there, done that." RoF feels like that in a nutshell. True, we haven't seen it yet, but chances are the concepts in that movie probably was already explored several times before in fanfiction.
Bad fanfiction would be like how most people view GT as such, but that's for another topic I suppose. Anyway, Things like Freeza's revival and coming back an even stronger major threat than he was before is something that would be the main focus of something you see in a fanfiction story. Pilaf is a joke villain never once taken seriously nor does he become stronger, Tenshinhan example is weird as he literally joined Goku's company at the end of the 22nd Budokai arc, Tao Pai pai equally falls in the same joke villain category and is not the main focus of the arc in question, the Piccolo example is just reaching as not only is this a different incarnation of Piccolo Daimao, we literally see him put his essence in an egg to be born to take on Goku for the next arc before he explodes so him coming back was literally to be expected...
Freeza despite being a past major villain literally becomes part of "That was so last season" as he is effortlessly dismissed as a joke like Tao was by Trunks, and finally, Vegeta was not a badguy coming back stronger than ever by the next arc. He literally had a mid life crisis that was overall minor and irrelevant to the main issue at heart, Majin Buu. Once Goku gets to him that he BSing just to foolishly relive his glory days he snaps out of his dumb change and goes to undo the damage he's done. Not a single example you listed fit what dbzfan7 had a complaint about. To make matters worse not a single one of those characters died, then came back suddenly from the dead and became a major antagonist for the rest of the story arc until they were defeated either.
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Lets not forget about Super Perfect Cell too!
*Scratches head * This is one of those very out of context examples I was talking about earlier. This is only true if you completely ignore the circumstances to Cell's reappearance.
mAcChaos wrote:
Go look at the Raditz arc. Goku disappears because Kami needs his body, and after the Saiyan fight, Kami remakes Chiaotzu's body.
In Dragonball, they had to preserve Krillin's body to stop it from decaying, so he would be okay when they revived him.
So this is not something that happens automatically. Kami probably just can snap his fingers because he has God powers and could make it happen. We don't know exactly how it works, but we do know that this is what happens.
You got it all wrong, the never had to preserve a character's body in Dragon Ball to stop it decaying, that was Bulma's false assumption as she didn't know if reviving them with the Dragon ball meant if they would be revive in what ever state their deceased bodies in so she didn't want them to come back as zombies if that was the case. We know people need their bodies in the after life to train, but they don't need their bodies in any particular condition when they are resurrected in any particular manner as the Dragon automatically restores to normal healthy and not in some decayed rotted zombie fashion either. This applies to both the Earth and Namek dragons. RoF is literally the only time Shenron is incapable of reviving someone just is because, well, Toriyama has become worst with age it seems or maybe his writing skills have noticeably deteriorated because he no longer has a strict editor to keep him in check which allows him to run wild so to speak.
dbzfan7 wrote:Not really a fan when comics do it either. Though I too was excited since I do really like Freeza, but I couldn't shake the fact how the idea came across as typical fanfiction I've read before. But Toriyama is on the case and his editor praised him...so perhaps things will be different. Cut to now and...I swear no one put much thought into making things worse. Why does Freeza need to know who Boo and Beerus are? What does that add beyond a bad tie in. Like I said Boo was around so long ago he could be considered a fairy tale that never existed. That connection would have been fine. Then his dad makes them out to be real...so much for that.
Difference in country of origin and culture. In western countries like America and Canada, stories are treated more as commercial works that run infinitely by multiple writers with no planned ending in site until they get unceremoniously canceled due to low ratings. In eastern countries like Japan and China its the exact opposite. comics are usually written by drawn by a single author and sometimes author and artist co-creating team that have a set story, theme, timescale, and ending set in mind. Series like Naruto, Bleach, Toriko, Yu Yu hakusho, Saint Seiya (Original series), Ranma 1/2, Hokuto No Ken, JJBA, and ect. all are longer runners that eventually end and stay end with some series getting a few prequels oneshots, and added specials/ova/movies and what not added to the series, but nothing major like a new series. Its rare for a series to get a complete overhaul or remake like Sailor Moon or Full Metal Alchemist, and Hellsing. Those are exceptions with specific reasons why they get newer works and such. Usually when a series end, they stay ended. I avoid series like Detective Conan, One Piece and Hajime No Ippo, but at this point those series literally are starting to feel like Japan's version of the Simpsons. Series that seems to be running for the sake of running with no planned end in site.
Dyno wrote:Hasn't Akira said that King Cold also possesses an abnormal power level? It might be the very source of Freeza's capability, he inherited from his father.
You mean like how most people assume Goten and Trunks inherited their abnormally high power levels from their fathers?
Lord Beerus wrote:Dragon Ball characters skyrocket in terms power levels in a short space of time all the time. Hell, it became a plot point on a few occasions during the show. If the Saiyans can do it, why can't Freeza?
Sure, if you completely ignore every single explained and built in reason why the Saiyajins can pull off the BS they do and apply it to every other single character just cause...
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