The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Post by Kid Buu » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:01 am

Tenshinan & Chiaotzu Vs. Might Guy & Rock Lee in a "Who has the bigger Bromance" match.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:03 am

Guy and Lee clearly have a bigger bormance, but Yamcha would mop the floor with these 2 alone in a fight.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Bullza » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:11 am

Current Naruto vs King Piccolo

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:13 am

Bullza wrote:Current Naruto vs King Piccolo
Piccolo. I'd like to see anyone from Naturo beat Tao.
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Post by Bullza » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:27 am

Lots of Naruto characters would beat Tao. Tao was "killed" by a Grenade. Naruto in his Bijuu form was able to counter the power of 5 Bijuu bombs with each probably having enough power to wipe out a small city.

Theres characters who'd mess him up with Genjutsu then kill him. If Tao looked Madara in the eyes then he's trapped in an illusion and he'd drop a meteor on him. There's others who have certain HAX abilities like Obito who'd just warp him into a dimension and leave him there to die. Itachi would seal his soul with the sword his susanoo has etc

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:38 am

Bullza wrote:Current Naruto vs King Piccolo
Naruto farts, and Daimao turns into green poop. Currently in the manga, Naruto is a beast.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:43 am

Bullza wrote:Lots of Naruto characters would beat Tao. Tao was "killed" by a Grenade. Naruto in his Bijuu form was able to counter the power of 5 Bijuu bombs with each probably having enough power to wipe out a small city.
City busting is a joke. Master Roshi is busting moons with a BP of 180. Tao has a BP of 110. That's not a ton weaker. Tao was also in the air, unable to properly defend himself from the blast. Furthermore, bombs have an advantage that Ki attacks do not. Bombs are very very very hot.
Bullza wrote:Theres characters who'd mess him up with Genjutsu then kill him.
Too bad Genjutsu wont work since Genjutsus manipulate the chakra of the opponent. Dragon Ball characters don't have chakra.
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Post by Kid Buu » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:55 am

Bullza wrote:Current Naruto vs King Piccolo
No contest. Naruto uses TALK NO JUTSU and King Piccolo becomes a good guy.
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Post by khalildh » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:59 am

Kid Buu wrote:
Bullza wrote:Current Naruto vs King Piccolo
No contest. Naruto uses TALK NO JUTSU and King Piccolo becomes a good guy.

This is so true. :clap:

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Post by Bullza » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:05 pm

City busting is a joke. Master Roshi is busting moons with a BP of 180. Tao has a BP of 110. That's not a ton weaker. Tao was also in the air, unable to properly defend himself from the blast. Furthermore, bombs have an advantage that Ki attacks do not. Bombs are very very very hot.
That is a ton weaker. That's only 61% of Roshi's strenght. Tao couldn't even destroy a Dragon Ball with his Dodonpa.

City Busting is still a signicant feat for Dragon Ball at that point, it was what King Piccolo's best attack was capable of. Naruto himself is not a city buster he has the power to counter 5 city busters and has since powered up yet again by combining his Tailed mode with his Sage mode so is probably a country buster by this point.

He was still killed by a basic grenade. Goku was shot at point blank with a rocket and was mostly unhurt. If that is enough to kill Tao then Naruto Tailed Sage mode Bijuu Bomb would wipe out characters much stronger than Tao.
Too bad Genjutsu wont work since Genjutsus manipulate the chakra of the opponent. Dragon Ball characters don't have chakra.
Chakra is just a life energy everybody would have it. Everyone in One Piece has Haki, that's their version. Put Tao in the Naruto verse and he'd have Chakra just like every other living being on the planet would.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:15 pm

Bullza wrote:Naruto himself is not a city buster
How is he not? He can use the Bijuu Dama while in Bijuu Mode. Except if you mean that Naruto without the Kyuubi isn't a city buster.
Bullza wrote:Chakra is just a life energy everybody would have it. Everyone in One Piece has Haki, that's their version. Put Tao in the Naruto verse and he'd have Chakra just like every other living being on the planet would.
Chakra originated from the Shinju/Juubi though, and the Shinju never existed in the Dragon Ball. Chakra, ki, Haki, etc are similar things, but not the same.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:15 pm

Bullza wrote:
City busting is a joke. Master Roshi is busting moons with a BP of 180. Tao has a BP of 110. That's not a ton weaker. Tao was also in the air, unable to properly defend himself from the blast. Furthermore, bombs have an advantage that Ki attacks do not. Bombs are very very very hot.
That is a ton weaker. That's only 61% of Roshi's strenght. Tao couldn't even destroy a Dragon Ball with his Dodonpa.

City Busting is still a significant feat for Dragon Ball at that point, it was what King Piccolo's best attack was capable of. Naruto himself is not a city buster he has the power to counter 5 city busters and has since powered up yet again by combining his Tailed mode with his Sage mode so is probably a country buster by this point.

He was still killed by a basic grenade. Goku was shot at point blank with a rocket and was mostly unhurt. If that is enough to kill Tao then Naruto Tailed Sage mode Bijuu Bomb would wipe out characters much stronger than Tao.
No, it's really not. 61% weaker or not, 39% of a moon is still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay bigger than 5 cities or even a continent. Furthermore, if a guy with a BP of 180 can destroy a moon, a guy with a BP of 260 sure as hell can destroy something far greater than a city. Have you ever heard of condensing energy? That's how characters like SSJ3 Goku don't blow up planets with measly ki blasts. Dragon Balls are durable as f***. No one has ever been able to break a dragon ball. Yeah, a rocket isn't hotter than a bomb =/. Again though, Tao was completely unable to defend himself in the air. I also haven't seen Naruto kill a superhuman being with his tongue soooooo....
Chakra is just a life energy everybody would have it.
Nope. Dragon Ball characters have Ki, not chakra, it wouldn't work.
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Tapion vs Namek Arc Piccolo

Tarble vs Saiyan Arc Chazou

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TheGmGoken wrote:Tapion vs Namek Arc Piccolo

Tarble vs Saiyan Arc Chazou
1. Piccolo wins.
2. Chaozu wins.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:02 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Goku claimed Bebi is the strongest in the universe.
That's not what he said. He said that Baby had the strongest ki he had ever felt, and since he said exactly the same thing about Janenba before kicking his ass, Goku doesn't include himself, and Super Vegetto is Goku.
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Broli gets stronger over time in Dragon Ball Multiverse only.
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TheGmGoken wrote:Tapion vs Namek Arc Piccolo
Tapion wins. I don't see Boo arc/M13 Goku saying that Namek arc Piccolo has an incredible ki.
TheGmGoken wrote:Tarble vs Saiyan Arc Chazou
Chaozu wins, easily. Tarble isn't a real fighter.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:05 pm

Don't think this was anwsered.

EOZ Goten vs Gohan(Rusty skills and power dropped due to lack of training. Aka Early Boo Arc)

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TheGmGoken wrote:Don't think this was anwsered.

EOZ Goten vs Gohan(Rusty skills and power dropped due to lack of training. Aka Early Boo Arc)
I answered it a while back, I said Gohan.
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TheGmGoken wrote:Don't think this was anwsered.

EOZ Goten vs Gohan(Rusty skills and power dropped due to lack of training. Aka Early Boo Arc)
Gohan. He was stronger than little Goten, and Goten hasn't grown any stronger after 10 years, and his skills are rusty at that period as well like Gohan. (I also don't believe that Gohan's power dropped at all.) Gohan also has Super Saiyan 2, but he wins even without it.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Bullza » Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:14 pm

How is he not? He can use the Bijuu Dama while in Bijuu Mode. Except if you mean that Naruto without the Kyuubi isn't a city buster.
No I didn't mean it like that I was saying it's the Tailed Beasts that are the City Busters, Naruto is capable of much more.

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Post by Bullza » Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:21 pm

No, it's really not. 61% weaker or not, 39% of a moon is still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay bigger than 5 cities or even a continent. Furthermore, if a guy with a BP of 180 can destroy a moon, a guy with a BP of 260 sure as hell can destroy something far greater than a city. Have you ever heard of condensing energy? That's how characters like SSJ3 Goku don't blow up planets with measly ki blasts. Dragon Balls are durable as f***. No one has ever been able to break a dragon ball. Yeah, a rocket isn't hotter than a bomb =/. Again though, Tao was completely unable to defend himself in the air. I also haven't seen Naruto kill a superhuman being with his tongue soooooo....

Tao is 61% weaker but the power of their attacks could be much wider apart. The Roshi feat is considered an outlier anyway. Tien's fired his most powerful blast directly at the ground and didn't cause a fraction of the damage what Roshi was able to do.

Vegeta told Krillin to break the ball and he went to punch the ball to break it so they can be broken. I never said a rocket is hotter than a bomb but it does pack a stronger punch.

It doesn't really matter if he was in the air he was still killed by a grenade. Naruto can dish out thousands of times the amount of power as that bomb. If a grenade can kill Tao then Naruto would kill him 10x over.
Nope. Dragon Ball characters have Ki, not chakra, it wouldn't work.
If Tao was in Naruto he'd have the same properties as everyone else just like how Naruto would have Ki if he were to be placed in the Dragon Ball world.

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