"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

It would be nice if Pan's birth turned to be some kind of motivation to Gohan train hard again, but like the HELL that would actually happen lol

You know there's no point in Gohan training, right? He'll only ever be as strong as he was in the Buu saga.

So? He could still be useful, just like the humans fighting Freeza's soldiers, a well-trained Gohan could put a good fight against Freeza or just hold him till Goku gets into the scenario, not that shame we saw on the movie

[fadeddreams5]

It would be nice if Pan's birth turned to be some kind of motivation to Gohan train hard again, but like the HELL that would actually happen lol

When Pan is born, Gohan will stop training altogether because he'll instantly realize Pan is stronger than him.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

It would be nice if Pan's birth turned to be some kind of motivation to Gohan train hard again, but like the HELL that would actually happen lol

You know there's no point in Gohan training, right? He'll only ever be as strong as he was in the Buu saga.

So? He could still be useful, just like the humans fighting Freeza's soldiers, a well-trained Gohan could put a good fight against Freeza or just hold him till Goku gets into the scenario, not that shame we saw on the movie

Doubtful. He may have been able to give First Form Freeza a good run. But once 2nd form woulda come around, I doubt he would've stood a chance.

[Doctor.]

There's nothing "doubtful" about it. Gohan doesn't have a set strength level. He can get as strong as the writers want him to get, he unlocked his potential like 3 times after all. They just don't want to use the character anymore.

[fadeddreams5]

The problem is that they are using the character...badly.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

There's nothing "doubtful" about it. Gohan doesn't have a set strength level. He can get as strong as the writers want him to get, he unlocked his potential like 3 times after all. They just don't want to use the character anymore.

Gohan only had his dormant powers drawn out to their limits once though, and not just to their limits, but far, far, faa~~aar beyond them. The writers can make him as strong as they want besides that, true, but how will they do that? They can either have him just train and get x times stronger without any reason or explanation, like GT did with Goku, or they can bring a reason for his huge increase in power, like a new form or a new training method. As far as we know, there is no way for Gohan to get extremely stronger than he is, except if he was to become a Super Saiyan God.

[Doctor.]

There's nothing "doubtful" about it. Gohan doesn't have a set strength level. He can get as strong as the writers want him to get, he unlocked his potential like 3 times after all. They just don't want to use the character anymore.

Gohan only had his dormant powers drawn out to their limits once though, and not just to their limits, but far, far, faa~~aar beyond them. The writers can make him as strong as they want besides that, true, but how will they do that? They can either have him just train and get x times stronger without any reason or explanation, like GT did with Goku, or they can bring a reason for his huge increase in power, like a new form or a new training method. As far as we know, there is no way for Gohan to get extremely stronger than he is, except if he was to become a Super Saiyan God.

They have a walking plot device in the form of the Super Saiyan God ritual available AT ANY TIME. There's zero reason not to make him relevant besides not wanting to.

[Noah]

They have a walking plot device in the form of the Super Saiyan God ritual available AT ANY TIME. There's zero reason not to make him relevant besides not wanting to.

Well, they still need to explain if the ritual works with already GOD users (Goku, Vegeta), that's one reason why we need to know how Vegeta become a GOD

[Hellspawn28]

So Goten and Trunks still remain kids in Revival of F. Hmm, and this is supposed to be 3 years before EOZ. (7 years after the Majin Buu Saga)

But even if Super takes place 6 months after the Majin Buu Saga, that means that Pan will be almost 10 years old in the EOZ.
Let's see.

Super is likely set in the same time as the BOG and ROF. I guess ROF is set several months after BOG since Pan is just been born. Super is likely set in Age 778 an Age 779. Maybe they will go beyond, but who knows at this point.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

So Goten and Trunks still remain kids in Revival of F. Hmm, and this is supposed to be 3 years before EOZ. (7 years after the Majin Buu Saga)

Resurrection "F" was set in AGE 779. That's 5 years before the end of Z (AGE 784). The boys would only be ~12 and ~13, so there's still some wiggle room for their look with their Saiyan DNA.

[dbzfan7]

There's nothing "doubtful" about it. Gohan doesn't have a set strength level. He can get as strong as the writers want him to get, he unlocked his potential like 3 times after all. They just don't want to use the character anymore.

Gohan only had his dormant powers drawn out to their limits once though, and not just to their limits, but far, far, faa~~aar beyond them. The writers can make him as strong as they want besides that, true, but how will they do that? They can either have him just train and get x times stronger without any reason or explanation, like GT did with Goku, or they can bring a reason for his huge increase in power, like a new form or a new training method. As far as we know, there is no way for Gohan to get extremely stronger than he is, except if he was to become a Super Saiyan God.

They have a walking plot device in the form of the Super Saiyan God ritual available AT ANY TIME. There's zero reason not to make him relevant besides not wanting to.

I'm still waiting for the statement that makes it clear he can't. While SSJG does mention that it leaves everyone else drained, it also has no mention that there's any learning curve to absorb it's power either. I personally believe in the later that there's no reason he can't literally join the relevant fighters without a problem, but simply they don't want to write him as important. I'm waiting for some kind of confirmation that gives a good physical reason why he can't reach the god tier so it makes more sense why he couldn't help if he tried to get stronger.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

They have a walking plot device in the form of the Super Saiyan God ritual available AT ANY TIME. There's zero reason not to make him relevant besides not wanting to.

Ι'm not arguing about that, but I wasn't talking about Gohan becoming a God, and neither did Noah & FutureGohanSSJ2. They were talking about Ultimate Gohan doing intense training, and you said that can get as strong as the writers want him, which what I was talking about.

Well, they still need to explain if the ritual works with already GOD users (Goku, Vegeta), that's one reason why we need to know how Vegeta become a GOD

We don't need any explanation. Goku said he would help with the ritual in the end of BoG, Bra obviously isn't around yet in FnF, and there is no reason to assume that Goku couldn't participate in the ritual, and that instead they either brought Tarble from his random planet or Future Trunks from his alternative future.

We don't "need" to see how Vegeta became a SSG. He just gathered everyone together, held hands, and turned into a God. We do need at least an explanation about how he absorbed its power though, but even that isn't really necessary. He probably just sparred with Goku, since they now train together with Whis.

I'm still waiting for the statement that makes it clear he can't. While SSJG does mention that it leaves everyone else drained, it also has no mention that there's any learning curve to absorb it's power either. I personally believe in the later that there's no reason he can't literally join the relevant fighters without a problem, but simply they don't want to write him as important. I'm waiting for some kind of confirmation that gives a good physical reason why he can't reach the god tier so it makes more sense why he couldn't help if he tried to get stronger.

It's not that he can't, he just doesn't have any reason to do it.

[Noah]

We don't "need" to see how Vegeta became a SSG. He just gathered everyone together, held hands, and turned into a God. We do need at least an explanation about how he absorbed its power though, but even that isn't really necessary. He probably just sparred with Goku, since they now train together with Whis.

Speak it for yourself. An proper explanation is always welcome, because as said before by dbzfan7, this God Ritual is such an easy way to get a huge power-up that we can't imagine why didn't the others become God too, just for plot reasons? Or because are Goku and Vegeta selfish bastards? We need to know why

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Speak it for yourself. An proper explanation is always welcome, because as said before by dbzfan7, this God Ritual is such an easy way to get a huge power-up that we can't imagine why didn't the others become God too, just for plot reasons? Or because are Goku and Vegeta selfish bastards? We need to know why

The question would be, why would they want to become Gods? Gohan, Goten, and Trunks aren't interested in fighting anymore and they no longer train.

[dbzfan7]

We don't "need" to see how Vegeta became a SSG. He just gathered everyone together, held hands, and turned into a God. We do need at least an explanation about how he absorbed its power though, but even that isn't really necessary. He probably just sparred with Goku, since they now train together with Whis.

Speak it for yourself. An proper explanation is always welcome, because as said before by dbzfan7, this God Ritual is such an easy way to get a huge power-up that we can't imagine why didn't the others become God too, just for plot reasons? Or because are Goku and Vegeta selfish bastards? We need to know why

There are reasons they could want to, but they simply don't exist in the story. It makes me seriously question their humanity, but the simple reason is the writers don't want them being relevant. So they simply don't want it. A good enough reason is they don't care about fighting nor their families enough to power up. My sig still jokes about this.

[Araki]

Speak it for yourself. An proper explanation is always welcome, because as said before by dbzfan7, this God Ritual is such an easy way to get a huge power-up that we can't imagine why didn't the others become God too, just for plot reasons? Or because are Goku and Vegeta selfish bastards? We need to know why

The question would be, why would they want to become Gods? Gohan, Goten, and Trunks aren't interested in fighting anymore and they no longer train.

I think Goten and Trunks would be interested, but could they handle Goku, Vegeta and Gohan passing along their ki to them, let alone godly power? Even Goku mentioned he was struggling during the ritual. It's extremely doubtful they could, but a short line addressing that would put people at ease.

[Cipher]

I have zero problem with the others not being interested?

At least the movie makes it clear that Goku absorbing the power is unique to his skill as a fighter, too, so it's likely it would just be a temporary power-up for the others unless they really trained to master it, which only Vegeta really seems capable of and interested in doing.

I'm also of the opinion that we totally don't need to see Vegeta's god ritual. We already know how it goes.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

There are reasons they could want to, but they simply don't exist in the story. It makes me seriously question their humanity, but the simple reason is the writers don't want them being relevant. So they simply don't want it. A good enough reason is they don't care about fighting nor their families enough to power up.

They don't need it to protect their families, Goku & Vegeta are already better to this than them, since they keep training, and they can merge with Fusion or the Potara if there is no way for Goku & Vegeta to defeat an enemy together, which is far more efficient than having SSGSS Gohan & SSGSS Gotenks around. And even if SSGSS Vegetto is unable to defeat said a enemy alone, Gohan & Gotenks won't be strong enough to make a difference. The only real reason the Saiyan Halflings need SSGSS is fan-service.

I think Goten and Trunks would be interested, but could they handle Goku, Vegeta and Gohan passing along their ki to them, let alone godly power? Even Goku mentioned he was struggling during the ritual. It's extremely doubtful they could, but a short line addressing that would put people at ease.

Well, the ritual didn't give Goku any struggling in Toriyama's movie, and even in the series, it wasn't unbearable, Goku just said that it hurts a bit.

[Araki]

Well, the ritual didn't give Goku any struggling in Toriyama's movie, and even in the series, it wasn't unbearable, Goku just said that it hurts a bit.

Yeah, but it took a while, and Vegeta even asked if he would like to be replaced, saying he should stop complaining.

After the ritual Goku was also overwhelmed by the power he had. I think these little bits in the series are trying to make clear it's not something anyone could handle, although they're very subtle.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yeah, but it took a while, and Vegeta even asked if he would like to be replaced, saying he should stop complaining.

Vegeta said that because he wanted to be an ass.