"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[The gr]

Wow Goku black looks like a badass in this[spoiler][/spoiler] [spoiler][/spoiler]I love the way how toyotaro draws goku black he looks like Majin Vegeta and a special thanks to white SDBH for uploading this

[Yedis]

Man people overreacted so badly to the last chapter. The Manga deviates from the Anime but the major points are the same.

[Lord Beerus]

How, how Black in SSJ2 manages to fight Vegeta SSB? There is a big difference between SSJ and SSB, Zenkai would have to be absurdly giant to achieve this (Black was being destroyed by Vegeta SSB).

Lord Beerus, you're praising the manga just because Black was not beaten up and Zamasu was useful, quite convincing is not it? His problem was only with Black having been beaten, when in fact he was more consistent like that.
Black SSJ2 fight Vegeta SSB does not make sense

The only thing I'm praising the manga for so far what I've seen is that Zamasu was savvy enough to destroy the senzu beans. If Black really did job out on purpose for the zenkai, then go kudos to him for the strategy, but he could have still done it with Future Zamasu if that was his plant. But I have question how Goku Black was able drop his BP so low for Vegeta to give him the ass kicking that he did in the first place. Especially as Super Saiyan.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But it's never established that Vegeta as became absurdly strong as a SSJ2. That's where everything collapses. And we can't rely on the assumption that the rage boost Vegeta got when fighting Beerus in the BOG arc was permanent because it's never confirmed to be case. That's 100% a theory at this point because nobody comments on how strong Vegeta's SSJ2 form is after that scenario.

It was never established that Vegeta's power-up was temporary, he just got a power up against Beerus & got his ass kicked, and all of us assumed it was temporary. Trunks proves that SS2 can be permanently improved, and Vegeta further proved that it can be improved at an even greater level. We know that Goku & Vegeta are equals in their other forms.

[OLKv3]

How, how Black in SSJ2 manages to fight Vegeta SSB? There is a big difference between SSJ and SSB, Zenkai would have to be absurdly giant to achieve this (Black was being destroyed by Vegeta SSB).

Lord Beerus, you're praising the manga just because Black was not beaten up and Zamasu was useful, quite convincing is not it? His problem was only with Black having been beaten, when in fact he was more consistent like that.
Black SSJ2 fight Vegeta SSB does not make sense

The only thing I'm praising the manga for so fro what I've seen is that Zamasu was savvy enough to destroy the senzu beans. If Black really did job out on purpose for the zenkai, then go kudos to him for the strategy, but he could have still done it with Future Zamasu if that was his plant. But I have question how Goku Black was able drop his BP so low for Vegeta to give him the ass kicking that he did in the first place. Especially as Super Saiyan.

Both manga Black and manga Zamasu have all the abilities that Kaioshin has shown in DBZ. Black freezes Vegeta exactly like Kaioshin did with Gohan and Dabura, and Zamasu uses Kaioshin's telepathy and Kibito's healing. I like that. I don't understand why Trunks is able to distract Black, makes no sense. I mean his powerup in the anime didn't make sense but it gave a good excuse why he stayed behind. He has absolutely no reason to do it in the manga being as weak as he is.

Honestly, I'm just happy to relive the Black and Zamasu tag team of smug again

[Noah]

Still not a fan of this Majin Vegeta eyeliner on Black, why keep it on Rosé?

[TheSaiyanGod]

But where was it said that Black left Vegeta on him on purpose? He was clearly at a disadvantage, would have died had it not been Zamasu, humiliated

[The gr]

Well I'm glad the manga build up the SS rose and it did not ended here and Vegeta got jobbed hard in this [spoiler][/spoiler]is good to see Vegeta get jobbed and here's the link of his Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/white4517

[OLKv3]

But where was it said that Black left Vegeta on him on purpose? He was clearly at a disadvantage, would have died had it not been Zamasu, humiliated

It was explained by him and Trunks when he gushes about new abilities he wanted to test or something. I could be wrong I'm going by someone else's translation

[Lord Beerus]

I want to read the whole chapter to get a better perspective but I'm really liking a lot what I'm seeing so far. Goku Black could have much smarter in his was of farming zenkai's, but that's the only major criticism I have so far. Goku Black kicking ass and Zamasu being savvy is what I loved in the anime and I'm liking what's going down in this chapter so far. This is a major pick-up from last month's chapter.

Also ,it looks like Future Trunks may be... dying/dead at the end of the chapter

[OLKv3]

So in the manga, the Zero Ningen Plan includes parallel worlds.

[Kanassa]

Gotta give points to Zamasu for burning the sensu bag (I'm guessing he heard Goku say there were magical healing beans in the bag?). Also, there's no way that Vegeta kicking Black's ass was planned on his end. Unless he saids it in a ''Pfft, I t-t-totally planned you completely humiliating me! Yeah, that's right... Plans..." way.

[LightBing]

Gotta give points to Zamasu for burning the sensu bag (I'm guessing he heard Goku say there were magical healing beans in the bag?). Also, there's no way that Vegeta kicking Black's ass was planned on his end. Unless he saids it in a ''Pfft, I t-t-totally planned you completely humiliating me! Yeah, that's right... Plans..." way.

Yeah, I also don't buy it. He was a second away from dying. Better wait for reliable translations to make any judgements.

[Kanassa]

Gotta give points to Zamasu for burning the sensu bag (I'm guessing he heard Goku say there were magical healing beans in the bag?). Also, there's no way that Vegeta kicking Black's ass was planned on his end. Unless he saids it in a ''Pfft, I t-t-totally planned you completely humiliating me! Yeah, that's right... Plans..." way.

Yeah, I also don't buy it. He was a second away from dying. Better wait for reliable translations to make any judgements.

It'd be like Vegeta claiming he was hoping Pefect Cell would slaughter him

[Freeza9000]

Wow Goku black looks like a badass in this[spoiler][/spoiler] [spoiler][/spoiler] a special thanks to white SDBH for posting these in his Twitter

Seeing as how the aura looks (similar to SSJB) and the shaded hair, I'm assuming this is Black already tapping into Super Saiyan Rose and kicking Vegeta's ass. Also, Zamasu stealing the Senzu Beans from Goku kinda reminded me how Gohan took back the Senzus from Cell.
It seems like the Mafuba is actually not just a Toei thing, but also a Toriyama thing. Interesting.
Gotta love how Trunks used the Taiyo-ken on Black and Zamasu. It's nice seeing that move return. Though I still kinda like how in the anime, the human resistance saved Goku and co.
since that did ended up making them relevant.

[Lord Beerus]

Gotta give points to Zamasu for burning the sensu bag (I'm guessing he heard Goku say there were magical healing beans in the bag?). Also, there's no way that Vegeta kicking Black's ass was planned on his end. Unless he saids it in a ''Pfft, I t-t-totally planned you completely humiliating me! Yeah, that's right... Plans..." way.

Yeah, I also don't buy it. He was a second away from dying. Better wait for reliable translations to make any judgements.

It'd be like Vegeta claiming he was hoping Pefect Cell would slaughter him

Like I said before, Black could have come up with a far smarter way of farming Zenkai's. What he did was insanely reckless and a huge gamble. Well, that's actually Zenkai's in a nutshell when you think about it.

But Goku Black go off the hook big time. I think it may have been unintentional for him to get stronger that way.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So, it looks like Black's Super Saiyan form evolved into Super Saiyan Rosé instead of it being a form beyond Super Saiyan? So, the sparks in his SS form was an indication of him getting closer to SSR, apparently.

My guess is that once Goku & Zamasu switched bodies, their powers switched as well, which is why Zamasu could kill Goku in Zamasu's body. Goku had reached his limits for the near-death power-ups since Freeza arc, but Zamasu was still young with a lot of untapped potential. Having a Saiyan body allowed him to tap into his potential faster, which is why he is unnaturally strong for a Saiyan (stronger than a SS3 in base?!). So he became a Super Saiyan, and once his SS form surpassed the level of SSB, he unlocked his godly ki & evolved into SSR. So, Super Saiyan Rosé is Black-exclusive in the manga as well.

[Miracles]

The manga and anime are the same story. Vegeta's SSJ2 surpassed Goku's SSJ3 in BOG arc.
Who ever said the manga is seperate from the anime movie is out right false. Hence why Vegeta was balling up Black in SSJ2.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I just realized something. Doesn't this mean that if Goku or Vegeta were to become Hakaishin, their Super Saiyan Blue forms would change into Super Saiyan Rosé?

[Noah]

I wonder if we'll get an explanation of what is exactly the Super Saiyan Rosé transformation in this chapter.

I just realized something. Doesn't this mean that if Goku or Vegeta were to become Hakaishin, their Super Saiyan Blue forms would change into Super Saiyan Rosé?

Was stated that Black is a Hakaishin?