The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:24 am

TheGmGoken wrote:SSJ Teen Goku vs Dodoria.
I go with the V-Jump levels that suggest that 416 was Goku's suppressed level, and Goku actually exceeded 900 in the Piccolo Jr. saga. So he stomps.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:29 am

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TheGmGoken wrote:SSJ Teen Goku vs Dodoria.
I go with the V-Jump levels that suggest that 416 was Goku's suppressed level, and Goku actually exceeded 900 in the Piccolo Jr. saga. So he stomps.
Wait....what? Can i see the scan? Does it really say 900?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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RandomGuy96 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:SSJ Teen Goku vs Dodoria.
I go with the V-Jump levels that suggest that 416 was Goku's suppressed level, and Goku actually exceeded 900 in the Piccolo Jr. saga. So he stomps.
Hold the phone, how does that make sense? If Piccolo and Goku were pretty much even during their fight at the 23rd Budokai, how does Piccolo go from around 900 to 408 despite training for 5 years?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:33 am

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
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TheGmGoken wrote:SSJ Teen Goku vs Dodoria.
I go with the V-Jump levels that suggest that 416 was Goku's suppressed level, and Goku actually exceeded 900 in the Piccolo Jr. saga. So he stomps.
Hold the phone, how does that make sense? If Piccolo and Goku were pretty much even during their fight at the 23rd Budokai, how does Piccolo go from around 900 to 408 despite training for 5 years?
He was always at over 900; the 408 and 416 levels were the suppressed levels. This lets a lot of things in Dragon Ball make more sense.
Wait....what? Can i see the scan? Does it really say 900?
That's what this website's power level database says.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/list/
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:37 am

Why would they be fighting Raditz suppressed? Also, Kanzenshuu implies that's his power level while firing a Super Kamehameha.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:38 am

Bu..but it say 416 without weights. Goku doesn't need to surpress for Raditz. Also I thought only Super kamehameha was 916

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:41 am

He was apparently not depicted as firing a Kamehameha in Weekly Jump, implying that was his normal power. 416 could be his resting level.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:44 am

And why the heck is Goku resting as he fights the strongest person he's ever faced? That makes absolutely no sense.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:48 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:He was apparently not depicted as firing a Kamehameha in Weekly Jump, implying that was his normal power. 416 could be his resting level.
Had they been at 900 should't Raditz be more scared? There was two fighters

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Post by Kid Buu » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:18 am

SSJ Future Gohan (At his strongest) VS. SSJ Future Trunks (during his fight with Freeza)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:20 am

Kid Buu wrote:SSJ Future Gohan (At his strongest) VS. SSJ Future Trunks (during his fight with Freeza)
I think they're equals. I'm not entirely sure who win to be honest. Though I'm leaning toward Gohan for some reason.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:23 am

Kid Buu wrote:SSJ Future Gohan (At his strongest) VS. SSJ Future Trunks (during his fight with Freeza)
Trunks was stated to be stronger by both himself and Bulma.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Saiga » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:14 am

And also he has a sword. Now Gohan's got no arms!
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Saiga wrote:And also he has a sword. Now Gohan's got no arms!
Tis only a flesh wound. He's invincible!
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:38 pm

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Saiga wrote:And also he has a sword. Now Gohan's got no arms!
Tis only a flesh wound. He's invincible!
Makes me wonder why the Z fighters never used mouth blasts. I mean we know the Saiyans can do it as we see Nappa use it once. Piccolo has done it about 3 times or so? Goku has fired a Kamehameha with his feet, etc. Youd think they would do that more often.
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Post by hleV » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:55 pm

Woah, I didn't notice that the Kanzenshuu's Battle Power Guide had received a major update! So, is Vegetto's BP = Goku's BP × Vegeta's BP the most logical conclusion from what we're given in SEG, or just Kanzenshuu staff's interpretation? I know it says "There are no speculations or theories to any of the battle powers listed in this guide.", but I still feel like asking xD.

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hleV wrote:Woah, I didn't notice that the Kanzenshuu's Battle Power Guide had received a major update! So, is Vegetto's BP = Goku's BP × Vegeta's BP the most logical conclusion from what we're given in SEG, or just Kanzenshuu staff's interpretation? I know it says "There are no speculations or theories to any of the battle powers listed in this guide.", but I still feel like asking xD.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:06 pm

hleV wrote:Woah, I didn't notice that the Kanzenshuu's Battle Power Guide had received a major update! So, is Vegetto's BP = Goku's BP × Vegeta's BP the most logical conclusion from what we're given in SEG, or just Kanzenshuu staff's interpretation? I know it says "There are no speculations or theories to any of the battle powers listed in this guide.", but I still feel like asking xD.
It seems to be their interpretion based on the picture given in the SEG. Nowhere does it flat out state that Vegetto is Goku x Vegeta.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by hleV » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:20 pm

Thanks for your input, but I want to hear from the staff (if they ever read this thread!). I mean, they know better what's written in the context due to their Japanese knowledge, and supposedly can make better conclusions.
Those SEG pages have the purpose of explaining the power of Super Saiyan forms and seemingly Potara fusion, so "Vegetto = Goku × Vegeta" meaning that Vegetto is made of Goku and Vegeta would feel somewhat off. There may also be an explanation why it's the BP that is multiplied (besides the fact that it's the term used throughout the pages).

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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