Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[Son Vegito]

I'm not a big fan of repeated frames either unless they are like the ones in Goku vs #17. For some reason that one didn't really bother me.

[Ajay]

I did catch a glimpse of Yamamuro's drawings in the episode. He did the cut involving Gohan heading upward to SSjGSSj Goku.

Presumably you mean this bit up towards SSJB Kaioken, since the one heading up to regular SSJB is Shimanuki.

[Psykomatik]

Little question Ajay: since we know what did Young-ce Tu on episode 90, and since some actions looks faaairly similar to episode 86, can we jump to the statement that Tate corrected Young-ce Tu work's on 86?

[Ajay]

Little question Ajay: since we know what did Young-ce Tu on episode 90, and since some actions looks faaairly similar to episode 86, can we jump to the statement that Tate corrected Young-ce Tu work's on 86?

Tu identified his work on #86. It was the big beam struggle, which was corrected by Tate and Tsuji. That was then followed up by Goku and 17 clashing fists. As he said and I noted in the entry, he described his work as being "his bones with Tate's skin". I'm not sure that he did much else, honestly. For one, he's been good at listing what he did and this was all he noted, and secondly, the staff list was tiny.

Seems like Tate did the vast majority of the episode, with Tu and Miuma helping out here and there, while the others and the TAP animators filled in the gaps.

[dhaval_dongre]

I asked Yamazaki about the episode. He said that Tsuji, Yamamuro, and Shimanuki all helped share the workload due to the short schedule.

I was quite surprised to hear about Yamamuro's involvement. Obviously as the supervising director of animation, things are supposed to go through him prior to episodes airing, but I've never felt his presence on episodes outside of the ones he's credited for.

I asked what Yamamuro did specifically, and he said that along with Tsuji, Yamamuro supervised important moments in both the A and B parts.

Interesting!

Very Interesting. Thanks for the info ! Interesting to see Yamamuro's name pop up. So I wonder if this is Yamamuro's direct involvement in an episode after 39 ? Or he has been supervising uncredited. I think this might be his first direct involvement after a really long time. Because I can never imagine episodes like 86 under him, or even Shida's work which weren't anything like his. Plus, some are deviating from his sheets, so I really doubt that he will be cool with it. Even though things haven't changed radically, there has been a honest attempt to deviate from his draconian approach. Be it the freedom that important animators have under Tsuji, which I don't think they would have had under Yamamuro or even the new filter which almost hides those stupid highlights from character faces in many cases. I just hope this was a one off effort from him, because things have improved in his absence, even though not to the extent that we had hoped.

[Sodhi]

This is why we shouldn't say things like Yamamuro is just slacking or stuff like that. He is the Animation director of the series which means everything has to go through him, who knows how much uncredited stuff he does.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I asked Yamazaki about the episode. He said that Tsuji, Yamamuro, and Shimanuki all helped share the workload due to the short schedule.

I was quite surprised to hear about Yamamuro's involvement. Obviously as the supervising director of animation, things are supposed to go through him prior to episodes airing, but I've never felt his presence on episodes outside of the ones he's credited for.

I asked what Yamamuro did specifically, and he said that along with Tsuji, Yamamuro supervised important moments in both the A and B parts.

Interesting!

Very Interesting. Thanks for the info ! Interesting to see Yamamuro's name pop up. So I wonder if this is Yamamuro's direct involvement in an episode after 39 ? Or he has been supervising uncredited. I think this might be his first direct involvement after a really long time. Because I can never imagine episodes like 86 under him, or even Shida's work which weren't anything like his. Plus, some are deviating from his sheets, so I really doubt that he will be cool with it. Even though things haven't changed radically, there has been a honest attempt to deviate from his draconian approach. Be it the freedom that important animators have under Tsuji, which I don't think they would have had under Yamamuro or even the new filter which almost hides those stupid highlights from character faces in many cases. I just hope this was a one off effort from him, because things have improved in his absence, even though not to the extent that we had hoped.

This has been happening for a while now, from the "F" special new footage to then the supervising of the new OP and then his new ED was actually pretty good. 2017 Yamamuro is totally different to 2015 Yamamuro, thing we can say that for a certainty now. I don't hope this is a one off, I want more involvement from him in the series it will only help track his improvement faster just like it did Mr. Shimanuki.

[ArchedThunder]

Interesting info about Yamamuro, I wonder how much on model art the show has that we didn't know was him.

Also I hope those three sharing the work load made the experience not a complete hell for Yamazaki and his people and we'll see them again.

EDIT: Interesting, Yamazaki says he wants to work on Super again.

[MrWalnut4]

Interesting info about Yamamuro, I wonder how much on model art the show has that we didn't know was him.

It could explain some of difficulty we've had picking out animators styles' in the past when certain key frames were so on model. Yamamuro could have been responsible for at least some of them unbeknownst to us.

[Ajay]

I wouldn't read too much into Yamamuro's involvement here. Even with this knowledge, his presence is barely even approaching minor, and this is for a 'big' episode that was under a very tight schedule by all accounts. It's unlikely this is the norm.

We know from Tu's comments that he provided the vast majority of on-model work in this episode - we know he can draw close to the sheets based on his genga. I don't want to start throwing credit at someone whose role, frankly, isn't very clear.
作画監修 / Sakuga Kanshu / Supervising Director of Animation isn't an industry standard credit. It's actually a bit of an oddity when you have a Chief Animation Supervisor credit. The chief supervisors are given work for approval, which they correct if necessary. The Supervising Director of Animation would perhaps sign off on their work, but... I can't imagine much else. Let's be realistic, if Yamamuro really had any significant presence on this show, we would know. The type of shots found in the first two episodes of Super would be a better indicator of what we would see each week if Yamamuro were correcting things on top of the Chief ADs and 2nd KAs.

A bit of uncredited work on a hectic episode shouldn't change our perspective here. As much as my general feelings towards Yamamuro are negative, I'm not going to deny his artistic ability, so I would love it if he had a heavier hand. I just don't want everyone to jump the gun without adequate evidence. This is just something we should keep in mind alongside everyone else. I don't want this thread to devolve into people attributing every on-model shot to Yamamuro when we have folks like Tu, Yokoyama, and whoever else is out there that might be unknown to us right now.

[MrWalnut4]

I'll admit this is mostly speculative as we know that there are several extremely on-model animators working on Super (Tu as you mentioned, Yokoyama, Inaba etc). Maybe I'm being a little too optimistic considering how little Yamamuro has done other than OPs and EDs.

[Noah]

Toshio's comment about next episode:

Next week is the episode I wrote.
I also looked at other universe.
My favorite HIT will also appear.
Look forward !!

Definitely hyped!

I hope it has some actual good writing.

Me too, those Hit episodes in that mini-arc were good, something around that theme would be entertaining.

[Sodhi]

I am excited and at the same time wondering how are they going to pull of this TOP. They will have to get really creative and maybe get a lot of staff.

[ArchedThunder]

I am excited and at the same time wondering how are they going to pull of this TOP. They will have to get really creative and maybe get a lot of staff.

They've had a lot of time to plan the TOP, so hopefully that pays off. The time between the Exhibition and the TOP alone is going to be about a cour.

[Sodhi]

I am hoping that #90 problems were because of other factors rather than the production not being able to handle such an action heavy episode.I know about Golden week, but that should not had as much effect as it did. It was only about a week of time, from which we don't even know who took off or who worked. Plus it was just a week before the episode airing. Hopefully this is not a indication of things to come. Anyways, I am being optimistic as this arc has been solid so far. These are just some things in my mind as we await this tournament.

[ArchedThunder]

I am hoping that #90 problems were just because of other factors rather than the production not being able to handle such an action heavy episode.I know about Golden week, but that should not had as much effect as it did. It was only about a week of time, from which we don't even know who took off or who worked. Plus it was just a week before the episode airing. Hopefully this is not a indication of things to come. Anyways, I am being optimistic as this arc has been solid so far. These are just some things in my mind as we await this tournament.

I'm still hoping the planning for the ToP is a bit different/separate from the planning for the stuff leading into it, it would help explain the large amount of time it's taking to get there and could result in some really nice stuff.
Not too much longer till we're there. The next 3 episodes definitely sound like down time in terms of animation, so I don't think we'll see Higashide, Inaba, Miuma and some others until the TOP at the very least. This week will probably just be Yashima with others cleaning him up, next week will probably just be TAP with a light Itai touch, and the week after that will probably be half and half Toei and Ono's studio, but I don't imagine too many in house staffers will be on it beyond Kitano and people doing corrections of his work, probably like 3 or so animators with Kitano.

[Sodhi]

I am also sticking to my theory that they will use already done animation in TOP. I mean why not, the background is just void. Talented animators don't really have to follow the storyboard.

[ArchedThunder]

Yamazaki said he thinks either Yamamuro or Tsuji drew this;
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Definitely not Tsuji, so if it was Yamamuro I'm impressed.

I am also sticking to my theory that they will use already done animation in TOP. I mean why not, the background is just void. Talented animators don't really have to follow the storyboard.

Maybe, maybe not, but that would also kinda go hand in hand with my hope that the planning for the ToP is a bit different than the episodes leading up to it.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

This is why we shouldn't say things like Yamamuro is just slacking or stuff like that. He is the Animation director of the series which means everything has to go through him, who knows how much uncredited stuff he does?

I don't think he does much. There are people both on here and other places that examine this episodes regularly. If he had done more, we would know, especially considering that his work is among the easiest to recognize. Even if everything does have his approval, I'd hardly consider that notable involvement. Though I would love for him to get involved. Regardless of what we think of Yamamuro, there's definitely room for him on the show as far as I'm concerned.

[Avok]

Yamazaki said he thinks either Yamamuro or Tsuji drew this;
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Definitely not Tsuji, so if it was Yamamuro I'm impressed.

That's actually pretty nice looking. It kinda reminds me of this:
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