DBZ Budokai HD Collection: Official On-Going Thread

[Cold Skin]

This Budokai Collection is the Kai of the video games. With replacement music and censorship. I recently bought the game and finished all of Budokai 1's story. Broly's attack isn't the only censorship. The blood coming out of Vegetas mouth in the Freeza saga and the blood coming out of the hole Krillin blasted into Vegeta was removed. Also, the large holes in peoples bodies like, Raditz and Goku when Piccolo blasted them and when Cell blasted Trunks, were turned into black holes.

Also, here's an interesting tidbit. They kept the original spelling for the Saibamen in the game: Saibaimen. Along with them spelling it this way in the cutscenes, it's also kept this way in the before battle screen and his name in the battle screen.

Those cases of censorship have always been like this in the PAL version. And it's no big deal.

If it was censorship that spoiled the story or scenes, maybe. But just like for Kai, this censorship makes you lose nothing, I'm not here to see Raditz uselessly spitting out a river of blood when the scene already makes it clear in itself that it's a deadly shot, just like for Vegeta being blasted through by Krilin.

This is maybe how some of you guys like it, maybe you'd enjoy it even more if we could see his guts out, but artistically, that adds nothing to the emotion or the information given, it already appears very clear that it's a pretty bad situation the character is in.
Seeing Vegeta crying tears is what matters, not seeing Vegeta spiting blood "in case you didn't understand that being shot in the heart is a deadly and painful situation".
Seeing blood on someone's face is important to show they're damaged and that the battle is fierce, otherwise you get the sense that it's not so bad. But making someone vomit blood is just free violence that brings nothing new with it and adds no impact, except being able to say "see?! See?! This show's not for kids! I told you it's for adults!! I'm watching something kids can't see, I'm not a kid!!"

So really, it's disappointing seeing people making every case of censorship a national scandal.
Nicktoons kind of censorship would be outrageous if it was forced onto us, because you really lose some impact by avoiding blood on the face or mentions of death.
Regular Kai censorship is nothing to worry about, the scenario is kept intact, you lose nothing from the feeling you're supposed to have, and spitting blood doesn't makes the battle anymore intense than when already having a face covered in blood and having trouble to catch up your breath.

Well I'm not really making a big deal out of it. I'm just pointing out facts of what was changed.

No problem, I was not targetting you, but using your post to bounce on the subject of controversial censorship.
I should have made the transition clear after the first sentence before sharing my personnal opinion, my mistake.

I might buy it after Christmas. I just bought Halo 4 (Almost finish with it) and I still need to finish Resident Evil 6. I don't have a job anymore, so it's hard for me to buy any game at the moment. 2012 is the only year that I didn't buy or play a Dragon Ball game and I have been doing so since 2003.

There's no hurry, I guess it would be harder to wait if you discovered the game's content for the first time. Be sure to take into account the upsides and downsides of this version.
+ More impressive graphics, with effects added (glow, light and shadows) beyond a simple HD upscaling.
+ Collector Edition extra costumes.
+ Choice between Japanese and English voices for Budokai 3.
+ Additionnal story mode renders for Budokai 3 (don't know if it came with the Collector or was specifically made for this collection).
+ Easy but compelling achievements/trophies, mainly based on collecting characters and completing story modes.
+ You can now play the music that you want.

= Music from other Dragon Ball games.

- No Budokai 2 videos in the bonus.
- Censorship for Broly's ultimate attack on Budokai 3 and various "blasts hole through the body" cutscenes in Budokai 1.

And if you ever need help on Resident Evil 6, I've ended it with all difficulty modes and bonuses, so I can help you get it over with!

[dbboxkaifan]

Anyone checked if there's any other unreleased content (other than the music) inside the game disc?

It wouldn't surprise me if there was something else.

Still nowhere near as bad as Capcom's DLC.

[Cold Skin]

Anyone checked if there's any other unreleased content (other than the music) inside the game disc?

It wouldn't surprise me if there was something else.

Still nowhere near as bad as Capcom's DLC.

I guess you'd have to ask Infernus Animositas.
I saw in your music thread that he's the one that ripped the music from the game, therefore having access to all on-disc files, right?

[dbboxkaifan]

I'll ask him if he found anything that wasn't officially shown on the game itself.

It's weird that Namco Bandai included B3 Instrumental Opening but it's never used as it seems.

[Hellspawn28]

Is the voice files bonus section still in the game? I remember in Budokai 3, you can listen to voices that they made but didn't made into the game.

[Cold Skin]

This remains to be checked, but I couldn't unlock the "Z" difficulties.
I took Oob, went to the final battle in "Very easy", saved and quit to change the difficulty to "Extreme" (the highest one) so that when winning the final battle, it unlocks the first "Z" difficulty.
And... nothing. I might try again later, maybe I did something wrong since that trick did work on my PS2 version back then.

On another subject, the French translation really was not that good for that game: one famous moment we sometimes joke about with friends is when Vegeta can meet Bulma during the Saiyan invasion. The man must be disturbed by his future lover as he says (in response to Bulma saying he's quite good-looking): "You capture me and you say what? Of course... But why is my heart still beating? Obviously... Nappa, let's go!"

I'll ask him if he found anything that wasn't officially shown on the game itself.

It's weird that Namco Bandai included B3 Instrumental Opening but it's never used as it seems.

You know, it might be due to programming logic.
Maybe for some reason, deleting the file was creating more problems than it solved (moving previous or subsequent datas, or being connected to other datas that would be hard to disconnect, etc... I think one really has to know programming to try and figure out which kind of situation would justify leaving that unused data when they've not left any other track - even more when we know that this track has been replaced by another track for the credits, so why didn't they replace the track itself altogether?

Is the voice files bonus section still in the game? I remember in Budokai 3, you can listen to voices that they made but didn't made into the game.

Yes, the whole bonus section is left intact except for the slot for the Budokai 2 intro, which doesn't appear at all anymore, as if it never existed in the first place.
All unused voice clips from the Dragon Universe characters that didn't made the final cut as well as for the supporting cast are still present, in English and Japanese depending on your game settings.

[GogetaSSJ2]

I don't know if this has been brought up but certain attacks, due to the ferocity apparently, have been censored in America whereas the EU version of the game they aren't. Stuff like Broly ramming a persons face into the ground is replaced with a white screen.

Why in the world did you post that? All you did was to discourage them into buying the game. Not cool. Namco Bandai needs money to make a much better game, if possible. Without a profit, how can they develop a better game? More money needed to make a good quality game...

Namco Bandai will still release a new DBZ game next year despite losing a few sales from people on these forums who don't buy the game.

[GogetaSSJ2]

This Budokai Collection is the Kai of the video games. With replacement music and censorship. I recently bought the game and finished all of Budokai 1's story. Broly's attack isn't the only censorship. The blood coming out of Vegetas mouth in the Freeza saga and the blood coming out of the hole Krillin blasted into Vegeta was removed. Also, the large holes in peoples bodies like, Raditz and Goku when Piccolo blasted them and when Cell blasted Trunks, were turned into black holes.

Also, here's an interesting tidbit. They kept the original spelling for the Saibamen in the game: Saibaimen. Along with them spelling it this way in the cutscenes, it's also kept this way in the before battle screen and his name in the battle screen.

Those cases of censorship have always been like this in the PAL version. And it's no big deal.

If it was censorship that spoiled the story or scenes, maybe. But just like for Kai, this censorship makes you lose nothing, I'm not here to see Raditz uselessly spitting out a river of blood when the scene already makes it clear in itself that it's a deadly shot, just like for Vegeta being blasted through by Krilin.

This is maybe how some of you guys like it, maybe you'd enjoy it even more if we could see his guts out, but artistically, that adds nothing to the emotion or the information given, it already appears very clear that it's a pretty bad situation the character is in.
Seeing Vegeta crying tears is what matters, not seeing Vegeta spiting blood "in case you didn't understand that being shot in the heart is a deadly and painful situation".
Seeing blood on someone's face is important to show they're damaged and that the battle is fierce, otherwise you get the sense that it's not so bad. But making someone vomit blood is just free violence that brings nothing new with it and adds no impact, except being able to say "see?! See?! This show's not for kids! I told you it's for adults!! I'm watching something kids can't see, I'm not a kid!!"

So really, it's disappointing seeing people making every case of censorship a national scandal.
Nicktoons kind of censorship would be outrageous if it was forced onto us, because you really lose some impact by avoiding blood on the face or mentions of death.
Regular Kai censorship is nothing to worry about, the scenario is kept intact, you lose nothing from the feeling you're supposed to have, and spitting blood doesn't makes the battle anymore intense than when already having a face covered in blood and having trouble to catch up your breath.

I know. Some people should just shut up and be glad they're getting an HD Collection in the first place. Namco Bandai didn't have to do this.

[VegettoEX]

I know. Some people should just shut up and be glad they're getting an HD Collection in the first place. Namco Bandai didn't have to do this.

This is not a charity. They do not deserve my money just because they're lovable dinosaurs making games.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Namco Bandai didn't have to do this.

I wish they hadn't...

[GogetaSSJ2]

I know. Some people should just shut up and be glad they're getting an HD Collection in the first place. Namco Bandai didn't have to do this.

This is not a charity. They do not deserve my money just because they're lovable dinosaurs making games.

I'm not saying they're lovable dinosaurs (its funny picturing that) I just think some people is making too much of a big deal over the censored Broly attack. It did bother me at first, then I said "eh nothing's perfect" and continued playing the game. I would be nice to know why they did censored the attack though. They thought it was fine when it 1st released on PS2, why would NB censored Broly's attack now?

I know its not a charity, NB is a business; their main goal is profit. I just hope their profits suffer a little more so they can cave in and give us a raging blast 3 or zenkai battle royal. You know a game that people been wanting for a long time for.

[Insertclevername]

I know. Some people should just shut up and be glad they're getting an HD Collection in the first place. Namco Bandai didn't have to do this.

So we shouldn't express our criticism despite it being completely justifiable? Sure, for an HD collection, it's a decent port. But at $40 bucks, an online mode or perhaps some new content (or better music) should be expected when your talking about two, contemporary PS2 games that you buy both for about $15. To see stuff like this being censored is like taking a step back for Dragon Ball fans and only provides further incentive to just play the originals. Hey, I'm glad that Namco Bandai is taking the step in the right direction and trying to bring interest in one of the better Dragon Ball fighters, but censoring attacks, that's not even bloody nor gory, is just frustrating. I'm not saying that they're any sort of deal breakers if you were on the fence about buying, nor do I think it should, but we need to be vocal about things like unnecessary censorship before more of it happens.

[GogetaSSJ2]

I know. Some people should just shut up and be glad they're getting an HD Collection in the first place. Namco Bandai didn't have to do this.

So we shouldn't express our criticism despite it being completely justifiable? Sure, for an HD collection, it's a decent port. But at $40 bucks, an online mode or perhaps some new content (or better music) should be expected when your talking about two, contemporary PS2 games that you buy both for about $15. To see stuff like this being censored is like taking a step back for Dragon Ball fans and only provides further incentive to just play the originals. Hey, I'm glad that Namco Bandai is taking the step in the right direction and trying to bring interest in one of the better Dragon Ball fighters, but censoring attacks, that's not even bloody nor gory, is just frustrating. I'm not saying that they're any sort of deal breakers if you were on the fence about buying, nor do I think it should, but we need to be vocal about things like unnecessary censorship before more of it happens.

You are absolutely right. When the 1st budokai tenkaichi came out I was PO'ed that SSJ4 Goku's 10x Kamehameha was the color blue; when it's suppose to be the color red. And the fact that planet destruction was removed in BT1, I was double PO'ed. So I wrote a letter to Atari (the then owner of the DBZ game license) and told them to fix that in the next game. And Voila! SSJ4 Goku's 10x Kamehameha is now Red and planet destruction returned in BT2.

Not sure if it was a coincidence or not, but I believed it wasn't back then. Voicing opnions is important but I don't think Namco Bandai reads these forums. I used to write complaint letters to Atari back in the day about their dbz games. But NB is 1000 times harder to contact directly then Atari ever was. When I find a way to contact NB I should write my complaint letters again, it was fun back then lol

[Saiga]

So? So what if they censored Broli's attack? If that's the only reason you are not buying the game, then I'm really disappointed in you. There's a lot more to this game than a mere attack that's been censored.

So if you think it's not going to stop people from buying the game, why did you object to Hitiro informing people?

If it wasn't such a big deal, there's no problem with Hitiro pointing it out, because it's better for people to actually know what they're buying when they buy it.

If people find out about the censorship, then choose to buy it anyway, there's no problem. If they find out about the censorship and choose not to buy it, then it's a good thing they found out about it beforehand, for their sake.

And it doesn't have to be the only reason, it could just be the straw that broke the camel's back.

[dbboxkaifan]

Every game Namco Bandai DBZ game has its advantages and disadvantages (previously more - than +), luckily this one has a lot more positive points which make a great gift for a Dragon Ball fan.

You guys better keep in mind that Namco Bandai implementing Online Pass to the next Dragon Ball (Z) game for Xbox 360, PS3 (and Wii U?) because it might very well happen.

For me, playing online on DBZ games (RB1-RB2) were extremely boring sessions so I'd happily refuse to play online if I bought a used copy and didn't have the Online Pass. Though, the new game could prove to be worth buying brand new.

[GogetaSSJ2]

Namco Bandai didn't have to do this.

I wish they hadn't...

Well they did.

[Hellspawn28]

All unused voice clips from the Dragon Universe characters that didn't made the final cut as well as for the supporting cast are still present, in English and Japanese depending on your game settings.

Thanks. I always enjoy listing to those since Dimps plan to give every character a story mode and it's too bad that they had to rush the game. It seem like #19, Zarbon, Dodoria, Janemba, Bebi Vegeta and Super 17 where plan since they where reference in the character's dialogue. It won't surprise if Dimps end up using their unused characters models of Super 17 and Bebi Vegeta for Infinite World.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

So? So what if they censored Broli's attack? If that's the only reason you are not buying the game, then I'm really disappointed in you. There's a lot more to this game than a mere attack that's been censored.

So if you think it's not going to stop people from buying the game, why did you object to Hitiro informing people?

If it wasn't such a big deal, there's no problem with Hitiro pointing it out, because it's better for people to actually know what they're buying when they buy it.

If people find out about the censorship, then choose to buy it anyway, there's no problem. If they find out about the censorship and choose not to buy it, then it's a good thing they found out about it beforehand, for their sake.

And it doesn't have to be the only reason, it could just be the straw that broke the camel's back.

Apparently people weren't going to buy it because of it as shown in a previous page. The people made too big deal out of it unnecessarily. Sometimes they don't think, and that's what frustrated me. That's why I never revealed anything negative about a game, at all. I'd let them find out for themselves.

As I've said before, without a profit, they won't develop a better game like Budokai 1 and 3. If they make a game better than both of them, great! But that's only if they make money off of it. Good for them to release HD Collection. It gives them time to develop it with money earned from HD Collection to upgrade whatever needed to appeal hardcore fans.

It's amazing that Namco Bandai even released upscaled Budokai series in the first place. Otherwise, you'd be stuck on low-quality PS2 games that are unplayable on PS3 system.

[Saiga]

Apparently people weren't going to buy it because of it as shown in a previous page. The people made too big deal out of it unnecessarily. Sometimes they don't think, and that's what frustrated me. That's why I never revealed anything negative about a game, at all. I'd let them find out for themselves.

Why would you do this? You'd rather people be uninformed and disappointed with their purchase? If they don't want to buy a game with censored attacks and the like they shouldn't have that information withheld from them to get them to purchase it.

As I've said before, without a profit, they won't develop a better game like Budokai 1 and 3. If they make a game better than both of them, great! But that's only if they make money off of it. Good for them to release HD Collection. It gives them time to develop it with money earned from HD Collection to upgrade whatever needed to appeal hardcore fans.

It's amazing that Namco Bandai even released upscaled Budokai series in the first place. Otherwise, you'd be stuck on low-quality PS2 games that are unplayable on PS3 system.

Still, they're not a charity, as VegettoEX already said. If they want profit, they should release games that people want to buy, not games that people will buy only if they don't know what they're getting.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

I never implied they are a charity. The point is the people should be happy that they released HD Collection instead of complaining. It's ironic that they have been complaining about wanting a game like Budokai for years. Now they got what they wanted.