Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[HeroR]

This threat is very interesting. No one here is impressed by Episode 90, but everywhere else I have been through called it one of the best looking episodes in Super with some calling it the best so far. Naturally, that's going overboard since Episodes 57 and 66 stand miles above this one, but nonetheless the dissonance is interesting. No saying anyone opinions are wrong, I just find it funny how the people who understands animation is not impressed with the average viewer is. It's like the opposite of Tate.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

This threat is very interesting. No one here is impressed by Episode 90, but everywhere else I have been through called it one of the best looking episodes in Super with some calling it the best so far. Naturally, that's going overboard since Episodes 57 and 66 stand miles above this one, but nonetheless the dissonance is interesting. No saying anyone opinions are wrong, I just find it funny how the people who understands animation is not impressed with the average viewer is. It's like the opposite of Tate.

Lots of people are impressed by episode 90, and it's pretty much a good episode in retrospect. For some of us, it just didn't seem to live up to the standard the episode set for itself.

[Hit!!]

This threat is very interesting. No one here is impressed by Episode 90, but everywhere else I have been through called it one of the best looking episodes in Super with some calling it the best so far. Naturally, that's going overboard since Episodes 57 and 66 stand miles above this one, but nonetheless the dissonance is interesting. No saying anyone opinions are wrong, I just find it funny how the people who understands animation is not impressed with the average viewer is. It's like the opposite of Tate.

People like it because the action is very classic DBZ like.

In my opinion, it's definitely not the best episode in Super animation wise, but it's also not as bad as people make it out to be in this thread. The complaints in this forum come from the lack of fluidity and the extensive use of repeated animation. I'm ok with how this episode looks.

Btw, i think episode 39 is overrated.

[Cursemark505]

This threat is very interesting. No one here is impressed by Episode 90, but everywhere else I have been through called it one of the best looking episodes in Super with some calling it the best so far. Naturally, that's going overboard since Episodes 57 and 66 stand miles above this one, but nonetheless the dissonance is interesting. No saying anyone opinions are wrong, I just find it funny how the people who understands animation is not impressed with the average viewer is. It's like the opposite of Tate.

Some of the people in this forum are weird. I don't know if their expectations for what should be considered good is too high or what, but it seems many refuse to give props unless you're Shida or something(and even he is criticized by some).

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Dragon Ball Super #39 is absolutely terrible on every level. It has no in-betweens, rushed production, boring eye-level composition, Ootsuka Ken getting screwed, etc.

#90 is fine. I have no problem with it, despite the shortage on the staff due to many taking off for the Golden Week. The production is better now than it was for #39, but that's not much, though. This week has unusually large amount of assistant Animation Supervisors and 2nd Key Animation, so it's alright for what it is. Although I do wish they had sacrificed the earlier episodes in the current arc to help ease the production going forward. Then again they should have sacrificed the episodes in the Goku Black arc, so we would be getting better episodes.

[HeroR]

This threat is very interesting. No one here is impressed by Episode 90, but everywhere else I have been through called it one of the best looking episodes in Super with some calling it the best so far. Naturally, that's going overboard since Episodes 57 and 66 stand miles above this one, but nonetheless the dissonance is interesting. No saying anyone opinions are wrong, I just find it funny how the people who understands animation is not impressed with the average viewer is. It's like the opposite of Tate.

Lots of people are impressed by episode 90, and it's pretty much a good episode in retrospect. For some of us, it just didn't seem to live up to the standard the episode set for itself.

So, you're saying you overhyped yourselves?

Dragon Ball Super #39 is absolutely terrible on every level. It has no in-betweens, rushed production, boring eye-level composition, Ootsuka Ken getting screwed, etc.

#90 is fine. I have no problem with it, despite the shortage on the staff due to many taking off for the Golden Week. The production is better now than it was for #39, but that's not much, though. This week has unusually large amount of assistant Animation Supervisors and 2nd Key Animation, so it's alright for what it is. Although I do wish they had sacrificed the earlier episodes in the current arc to help ease the production going forward. Then again they should have sacrificed the episodes in the Goku Black arc, so we would be getting better episodes.

Forget that and I disagree you on every on Episode 39. It isn't the best looking episode by anyone's imagination, but it was still well done and good looking when it needed to be.

[ArchedThunder]

The standard quality for episodes in Super is much higher now than it was when 39 came out. Back then 39 was a solid episode for the show, but if that episode were to come out now it would be the worst looking episode of this arc, and that's just a testament to how much the show has improved in a relatively short amount of time.
90 is an all around solid episode with great direction, my issues with it come more from the fact that I think it could have been an incredible episode based on the people who worked on it.

The past year has been pretty transformative for the show, it really makes you wonder how the show will look a year from now.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

This threat is very interesting. No one here is impressed by Episode 90, but everywhere else I have been through called it one of the best looking episodes in Super with some calling it the best so far. Naturally, that's going overboard since Episodes 57 and 66 stand miles above this one, but nonetheless the dissonance is interesting. No saying anyone opinions are wrong, I just find it funny how the people who understands animation is not impressed with the average viewer is. It's like the opposite of Tate.

Lots of people are impressed by episode 90, and it's pretty much a good episode in retrospect. For some of us, it just didn't seem to live up to the standard the episode set for itself.

So, you're saying you overhyped yourselves?

Some people probably did, but I had no expectations for the episode. I was busy all last week, Super wasn't even on my mind. I just felt that it didn't succeed at what it was trying to do. It looked and felt like an average-ish action episode, which would be fine under other circumstances, but it was clearly meant to be more than that.

[perucho1990]

39 is IMO the most overrated episode in DBS, the repeating frames when Kaioken Goku attacked Hit were so bush league, the OST straight up carried the whole Kaioken Goku vs Hit fight scene.

The repeating frames in Gohan vs Goku looked Z-lite, which is why many casual fans enjoyed the fight, I would say it looked better than Goku vs Jiren in the Opening, Goku vs 17.

#90 had couple of bad shots, most noticeable is when Goku went Blue and had a derpy face.

[Sodhi]

I am one of the few it looks like who didn't like #39 even when it just came out. I liked 38 much better. It was kinda a letdown of a finale. Also the episode only had just over 3 mins of action. Rest of the time it was just dialogue, screaming, power up etc. The storyboard wasn't interesting either.

[JazzMazz]

This threat is very interesting. No one here is impressed by Episode 90, but everywhere else I have been through called it one of the best looking episodes in Super with some calling it the best so far. Naturally, that's going overboard since Episodes 57 and 66 stand miles above this one, but nonetheless the dissonance is interesting. No saying anyone opinions are wrong, I just find it funny how the people who understands animation is not impressed with the average viewer is. It's like the opposite of Tate.

I don't think anyone is saying it was a god awful episode, a lot of us just kinda considered it a little bit of a nothing-burger per say. The standard production of episodes has improved a lot since the universe six arc, and we've been getting a lot less bad episodes, in comparison to meh ones. This episode was definitely better than it predeccsor and is definitely a solid episode, the background and story board were great even if the animation was only satisfactory for the most part. The reason I think people here aren't hyping it is because they didn't think it was anything exceptional, most of us just saw it as an above average episode, with great backgrounds and storyboarding, but with only serviceable animation to back it up.

Thats my thoughts at least, though the information we've recieved about the production was in some ways just as interesting as the reaction to the episode.

I am one of the few it looks like who didn't like #39 even when it just came out. I liked 38 much better. It was kinda a letdown of a finale. Also the episode only had just over 3 mins of action. Rest of the time it was just dialogue, screaming, power up etc. The storyboard wasn't interesting either.

The storyboarding wasn't bad and did have it's moments throughout the fight, though I definitely agree with you that it wasn't a particularly stand-out episode. In fact, if an episode of 39's caliber were to come out now, I don't think many of us would be at all impressed.

[HeroR]

The standard quality for episodes in Super is much higher now than it was when 39 came out. Back then 39 was a solid episode for the show, but if that episode were to come out now it would be the worst looking episode of this arc, and that's just a testament to how much the show has improved in a relatively short amount of time.
90 is an all around solid episode with great direction, my issues with it come more from the fact that I think it could have been an incredible episode based on the people who worked on it.

The past year has been pretty transformative for the show, it really makes you wonder how the show will look a year from now.

Can't say I agree with that since I still prefer 39 over a lot of the current episodes we have gotten, but that is just my preference. Most of it have to do with the filter in those early episodes of this arc hurting my eyes.

But overall it sounds like some here either overhyped the episode, thought it should have been much better than it was, or just hate repeated frames. I think the episode did what it was set out to do and it did it very well. I can't see this as a letdown in any sense unless your were thinking this would be the next Episode 57. There was no 'wow shots', but I never expected any to begin with, which is probably why I am not disappointed.

But like I said, I just find it interesting since this thread is on the other end of fan opinion and reminds me so much of whenever Tate animates an episode. Animation wonks adore him while the average fans....he divides the fanbase.

I don't think anyone is saying it was a god awful episode, a lot of us just kinda considered it a little bit of a nothing-burger per say. The standard production of episodes has improved a lot since the universe six arc, and we've been getting a lot less bad episodes, in comparison to meh ones. This episode was definitely better than it predeccsor and is definitely a solid episode, the background and story board were great even if the animation was only satisfactory for the most part. The reason I think people here aren't hyping it is because they didn't think it was anything exceptional, most of us just saw it as an above average episode, with great backgrounds and storyboarding, but with only serviceable animation to back it up.

I know no one here thinks the episode looks bad. I just find it interesting that the feeling here is 'it was okay', while everyone else 'OMG, BEST LOOKING EPISODE IN SUPER'. I do think most of it is emotional since 'Gohan is back' so they probably gives a lot of fans a rose tint view.

[Psykomatik]

I know no one here thinks the episode looks bad. I just find it interesting that the feeling here is 'it was okay', while everyone else 'OMG, BEST LOOKING EPISODE IN SUPER'. I do think most of it is emotional since 'Gohan is back' so they probably gives a lot of fans a rose tint view.

Funny thing: the French community is like "omg that sucks the drawing is terrible worst episode ever"
Sometime, i understand the cliché about French people always complaining for nothing, and god how much they're complaining about Super day and night is incredible. So seeing some people here who ACTUALLY KNOWS the shit they're talking about complaining with arguments is always a good thing!

[HeroR]

Funny thing: the French community is like "omg that sucks the drawing is terrible worst episode ever"
Sometime, i understand the cliché about French people always complaining for nothing, and god how much they're complaining about Super day and night is incredible. So seeing some people here who ACTUALLY KNOWS the shit they're talking about complaining with arguments is always a good thing!

I need more bad episodes like this if this is the worst.

[ArchedThunder]

I've seen a few people say it was one of the worst looking episodes, I don't know what show they've been watching.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I've seen a few people say it was one of the worst looking episodes, I don't know what show they've been watching.

Did they forget first 50 episodes of the show? Talk about a short memory...

[ArchedThunder]

I've seen a few people say it was one of the worst looking episodes, I don't know what show they've been watching.

Did they forget first 50 episodes of the show? Talk about a short memory...

Despite lacking any amazingly animated moments the episode was more polished than a large amount of episodes in the Future Trunks arc as well.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Despite lacking any amazingly animated moments the episode was more polished than a large amount of episodes in the Future Trunks arc as well.

Absolutely. Even if you weren't a fan of the episode, I don't see how someone could even call it bad, much less the worst episode of the show. I mean, episode 30 was a thing that happened, or did they skip that number? (The answer is both.)

[Hit!!]

Ok i'm gonna go ahead and say it:

This episode was better than all the episodes in the first 3 arcs animation wise. Even better than 11, 13, 14, 27, 26 and 39. The only episodes that are more "polished" were the first 3 episodes of the series, but those had little to no action.

As i said earlier, the standard in Super has improved immensely, the problem is that most people don't remember how bad and how rushed this series was when it started. Do yourself a favor and watch episodes 5, 9, 24 and 33, now compare it to what you call "the worst episode in Super" (episode 90) and you will see the huge difference.

Even in the Trunks Arc, most episodes weren't as good as this. The Trunks Arc was far from consistent. It had huge highs, but also had some lows. But it was fucking awesome when it needed to be!! Which is why the Trunks Arc was such a huge leap in quality from the previous arcs.

Right now, Toei is betting on consistency, and maintaining a certain standard throughout the whole arcs and not breaking with the flow. It might be a little hard to have incredibly well animated moments too often without sacrificing the latter. But I'm ok and on board with what Toei is playing at right now. I think they want to slowly increase the bar for Super's standard quality until it gets to a point where it's always good.

[Hit!!]

I wish to see Super some day to reach Hunter x Hunter (2011) level, which was not One Punch Man tier, but was consistently good throughout and had really good animation most of the time. I see this possible in the long run.