Chuquita wrote:Completely unrelated to my post above, but I'm the most recent one who posted in this thread prior to so it can't be helped:
Regarding Hetap; has it ever been said anywhere what the pun is? Because I just found out one of the medical words for liver is "Hepat". If Hetap's an alcoholic drink that's named after a pun for the organ that's majorly involved with what happens when you drink alcohol that's pretty clever and a little bit grim (like naming a cigarette brand after an anagram for lungs.)
I remember reading it comes from hetappi, which seems to mean "bad" or "crummy" in Japanese. (So a crummy drink? lol) Don't quote me on that, though. I don't speak Japanese. =P
Toriyama also published something called Hetappi Manga Kenkyūjo from 1982-1984, which Wiki says is translated as "Akira Toriyama's Hetappi, Crummy Manga Lab."
Chuquita wrote:Completely unrelated to my post above, but I'm the most recent one who posted in this thread prior to so it can't be helped:
Regarding Hetap; has it ever been said anywhere what the pun is? Because I just found out one of the medical words for liver is "Hepat". If Hetap's an alcoholic drink that's named after a pun for the organ that's majorly involved with what happens when you drink alcohol that's pretty clever and a little bit grim (like naming a cigarette brand after an anagram for lungs.)
I remember reading it comes from hetappi, which seems to mean "bad" or "crummy" in Japanese. (So a crummy drink? lol) Don't quote me on that, though. I don't speak Japanese. =P
Toriyama also published something called Hetappi Manga Kenkyūjo from 1982-1984, which Wiki says is translated as "Akira Toriyama's Hetappi, Crummy Manga Lab."
Didn't know that. The idea that poor Future Trunks drinks "Crummy brand Beer" fits given the crummy dystopia he lives in.
Is Goku's comparison between Krillin and Satan supposed to be a slight jab at the whole "TIEN IS DUR STR0NGUZT HUMANZ!!" thing?
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ekrolo2 wrote:Is Goku's comparison between Krillin and Satan supposed to be a slight jab at the whole "TIEN IS DUR STR0NGUZT HUMANZ!!" thing?
I'm rpetty sure if it was, they would of had Tien giving a reaction, or Cell using this to make a jab at him
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
ekrolo2 wrote:Is Goku's comparison between Krillin and Satan supposed to be a slight jab at the whole "TIEN IS DUR STR0NGUZT HUMANZ!!" thing?
I'm rpetty sure if it was, they would of had Tien giving a reaction, or Cell using this to make a jab at him
Still, the comparison only works if Goku assumes Krillin is the strongest Earthling.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ekrolo2 wrote:Is Goku's comparison between Krillin and Satan supposed to be a slight jab at the whole "TIEN IS DUR STR0NGUZT HUMANZ!!" thing?
I'm rpetty sure if it was, they would of had Tien giving a reaction, or Cell using this to make a jab at him
Still, the comparison only works if Goku assumes Krillin is the strongest Earthling.
I think he's just making fun of Kuririn for being the strongest Earthling there who has participated in a tournament and hasn't won. Tenshinhan won his, Yamcha is a weakling and Piccolo isn't a human.
Kanassa wrote:
I'm rpetty sure if it was, they would of had Tien giving a reaction, or Cell using this to make a jab at him
Still, the comparison only works if Goku assumes Krillin is the strongest Earthling.
I think he's just making fun of Kuririn for being the strongest Earthling there who has participated in a tournament and hasn't won. Tenshinhan won his, Yamcha is a weakling and Piccolo isn't a human.
I hadn't thought of that but it does make sense now that you mention it, even if Tien did win by the skin of his teeth.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
But, maybe TFS considers Tenshinhan stronger than Krillin as in Episode 37 Gero wanted to fight a "bald guy" and Tien says "Anytime old man" and then Gero points he wanted Krillin instead.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Noah wrote:But, maybe TFS considers Tenshinhan stronger than Krillin as in Episode 37 Gero wanted to fight a "bald guy" and Tien says "Anytime old man" and then Gero points he wanted Krillin instead.
Gero has little knowledge on their power after their fight with Vegeta (They made a whole joke surrounding that), so he doesn't know how strong Krillin is at that time
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
Kanassa wrote:Gero has little knowledge on their power after their fight with Vegeta (They made a whole joke surrounding that), so he doesn't know how strong Krillin is at that time
But he can measure as 19 did it with Yamcha mistaking him with Goku. He defeated Krillin easily and pointed to Tien then later refused, would he just be fooled by Tien's attitude?
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Noah wrote: would he just be fooled by Tien's attitude?
He does seem to be easily fooled by bravado after Vegeta kicked 19's ass
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
"He's even stronger than Krillin" was because Mr Satan has won a tournament and Krillin hasn't. Yamcha hasn't won one either, but Krillin has been to the semi-finals and Yamcha only to the quarter finals, so by that logic Krillin is stronger than Yamcha. Satan is then equal to Goku and Tien who have both won tournaments.
Fizzer wrote:"He's even stronger than Krillin" was because Mr Satan has won a tournament and Krillin hasn't. Yamcha hasn't won one either, but Krillin has been to the semi-finals and Yamcha only to the quarter finals, so by that logic Krillin is stronger than Yamcha. Satan is then equal to Goku and Tien who have both won tournaments.
It's also about Krillin being human since Piccolo hasn't won one either despite going all the way to the final match.
Correct me if I'm mistaken but is this the first episode to include Dragon Ball Super in its disclaimer? I found that interesting. Cell coldly shooting Piza, Piroshiki, & Karoni down was an especially effective gag. I harbored those feelings when I first watched the Dragon Ball Z adaption.
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Noah wrote:But, maybe TFS considers Tenshinhan stronger than Krillin as in Episode 37 Gero wanted to fight a "bald guy" and Tien says "Anytime old man" and then Gero points he wanted Krillin instead.
Being Super-fans of the series, they're definitely already well aware that Toriyama has stated himself that Krillin is the strongest Earthling. It really doesn't seem to be the case though, it would be a pretty funny gag if Krillin suddenly turns out to be stupendously stronger than Tenshinhan in DBZA and catches everyone off-guard, wouldn't it?
KaiserNeko wrote:Trust us, we have a pay-off for that later down the line.
As someone who's constantly and frustratingly finding himself compelled to clear up the "strongest Earthling" thing in a lot of discussions... I am very much looking forward to that pay-off.
KaiserNeko wrote:Trust us, we have a pay-off for that later down the line.
I'm predicting that Krillin is the only one going to be surprised by the information.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
